I'd say I'd like to go, then I realize, even with about a dozen other people's interaction, I would absolutely go succumb to a insanity I have yet to see.
Ever heard of cabin fever?
Triple it.
I forsee some walking out an airlock, as sad as it sounds.
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Posté 23 décembre 2013 - 04:49
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Wow. A thread on space exploration turns into a pentition for mass killings cause of some hippy earth bull****..while ignoring the spirit of this mission.And they say I'm a psychopath? GG BSN GG..
I would care to see the racial and regional backdrops of where such a event would be coming from, but I have a feeling I would look down on some of you more than I already do
Also the Red Planet belongs to the Reds!
Simmer down, boyo. Neither I nor anyone else is seriously advocating for mass extinction. Pointing out that sending people to other planets isn't the solution to this planet's overpopulation crisis because we don't have the resources to send billions of people off-planet in a very short time fame, =/= "we should mass kill everyone."
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Posté 23 décembre 2013 - 07:07
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Volus Warlord wrote...
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The earth is already overpopulated.
Indeed. We need a good war, famine, and/or plague to thin out the herd.
No. A bunch of us just need to leave.
Mass death would be far more expedient.
Medicine is the #1 reason of overpopulation. Limit it severely and the problem will be solved.
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Posté 23 décembre 2013 - 04:57
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In order to offset current global population growth, (thus allowing the population to remain stable), we would need to send people into space at a rate of more than 80,000 per day.ME123insanity wrote...
No. A bunch of us just need to leave.Volus Warlord wrote...
Indeed. We need a good war, famine, and/or plague to thin out the herd.EntropicAngel wrote...
The earth is already overpopulated.
We're not going to make a meaningful dent in Earth's population by going to other worlds. What we need to do on Earth is reduce the global birth rate to first-world levels.
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Posté 23 décembre 2013 - 05:22
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Cheap easily reversed pharmaceutical male contraceptive. Population problem solved. Space colonization is about resources, innovation, and plain old curiosity. Not finding somewhere else to dump our problems.
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Posté 23 décembre 2013 - 05:26
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The most effective way to reduce birth rate is to educate girls.
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Posté 23 décembre 2013 - 05:32
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Sylvius the Mad wrote...
The most effective way to reduce birth rate is to educate girls.
Agreed, however that method already exists and is being applied and still the pop is ballooning. The reason being, no matter how well informed someone might be, they're still human. Love, lust, and booze don't care about your PhD.
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Posté 23 décembre 2013 - 05:56
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Did Newt Gingrich send you?
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Posté 23 décembre 2013 - 06:25
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So thinking men should be as accountable for birth control as women is a conservative perspective now? I must've missed the memo.
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Posté 23 décembre 2013 - 07:47
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Not where girls are getting educated.Fortlowe wrote...
Sylvius the Mad wrote...
The most effective way to reduce birth rate is to educate girls.
Agreed, however that method already exists and is being applied and still the pop is ballooning.
In countries like Switzerland, Germany, or Japan, we see fewer than 10 births a year per 1000 persons. In Uganda, Zambia, or Niger, it's over 40.
Most developed countries right now don't produce enough babies to cover their death rate. If every country did that, global population would decline.
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Unfortunately those places have tragically high mortality rates to go along with the birth rates. Places like the US and China is where the problem lays now. When less developed places advance, the problem will only multiply.
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So thinking men should be as accountable for birth control as women is a conservative perspective now? I must've missed the memo.
That was in response to the OP. It was a Newt Gingrich Moonbase joke
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Posté 23 décembre 2013 - 11:18
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The most effective way to reduce birth rate is to educate girls.
And boys.
And at an early age.
You have no idea how many people I know shag without a condom. Of course, it's the partner's fault too if pregancy happens.
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Wow. A thread on space exploration turns into a pentition for mass killings cause of some hippy earth bull****..while ignoring the spirit of this mission.And they say I'm a psychopath? GG BSN GG..
What you complaining about? xD You probably murdered six kittens and kicked a puppy the other day, and that was your GOOD day
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Posté 23 décembre 2013 - 11:48
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Even then, educated women have options that illiterate peasants do not.simfamSP wrote...
You have no idea how many people I know shag without a condom.
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How long till they start committing suicide left and right? I mean, assuming they do get there, there will be a handful of people on a barren rock. I recon it'll get old pretty quick.
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Posté 24 décembre 2013 - 12:08
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How long till they start committing suicide left and right? I mean, assuming they do get there, there will be a handful of people on a barren rock. I recon it'll get old pretty quick.
That's why the requirements you have to meet to qualify for the missoan are so strict, and there having NASA themselves decide who qualifys, and who doesn't so that never happens. Whoever does go on the mission will be MEANT and BORN to go there. go to there website (MarsOne.com) and read about the requirements you have to meet to even make it into round two of training.
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Posté 24 décembre 2013 - 12:24
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ME123insanity wrote...
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How long till they start committing suicide left and right? I mean, assuming they do get there, there will be a handful of people on a barren rock. I recon it'll get old pretty quick.
That's why the requirements you have to meet to qualify for the missoan are so strict, and there having NASA themselves decide who qualifys, and who doesn't so that never happens. Whoever does go on the mission will be MEANT and BORN to go there. go to there website (MarsOne.com) and read about the requirements you have to meet to even make it into round two of training.
I would moonwalk (heh) into that training program. Only thing I might not have off that list is trusting to be guided when there's no plan. I mean I can't base trust on good faith, I need a reassurance. Too bad I'm probably not going to apply.
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Posté 24 décembre 2013 - 04:03
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I've created a blog called: Mars One Human Colonization of Mars in 2025. You can talk about Mars One there if you want, and watch videos also. I will be updating the blog when more news shows up.
Heres the link: http://me123insanity.blogspot.com/
Heres the link: http://me123insanity.blogspot.com/
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Posté 24 décembre 2013 - 07:18
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Please forgive me. I should have resisted the urge to post this, but I am weak.
Nesessity is the mother of invention. The amount of technology originating from NASA's space program speaks for itself. Who knows what we'll need cooked up to reach Mars?
I also demand an appearance of the crazy haired 'ALIENS' guy.
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Even then, educated women have options that illiterate peasants do not.simfamSP wrote...
You have no idea how many people I know shag without a condom.
Are we talking about third-world countires, now? If so, I think you underestimate the sociological factors here. Most girls want to get married and pregnant at an early age, and if they don't, patriarchy is dominant and so a girl's options become null and void if the social enviroment looks the other way if a guy just decides to take things into his own hands. That's why I feel educating boys would increase the chances of lower-birth rates.
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How long till they start committing suicide left and right? I mean, assuming they do get there, there will be a handful of people on a barren rock. I recon it'll get old pretty quick.
That's why the requirements you have to meet to qualify for the missoan are so strict, and there having NASA themselves decide who qualifys, and who doesn't so that never happens. Whoever does go on the mission will be MEANT and BORN to go there. go to there website (MarsOne.com) and read about the requirements you have to meet to even make it into round two of training.
They aren't that strict from what I can see. Still, I'd hate to be up there for the rest of my life with the same goddamn people every day.
If this were a horror film, or Shakespeare tragedy, methinks they'll kill eachother before themselves.
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Posté 24 décembre 2013 - 04:44
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Sounds like a good idea for a reality show. It could have a Total Recall/Running Man vibe to it.simfamSP wrote...
ME123insanity wrote...
CynicalShep wrote...
How long till they start committing suicide left and right? I mean, assuming they do get there, there will be a handful of people on a barren rock. I recon it'll get old pretty quick.
That's why the requirements you have to meet to qualify for the missoan are so strict, and there having NASA themselves decide who qualifys, and who doesn't so that never happens. Whoever does go on the mission will be MEANT and BORN to go there. go to there website (MarsOne.com) and read about the requirements you have to meet to even make it into round two of training.
They aren't that strict from what I can see. Still, I'd hate to be up there for the rest of my life with the same goddamn people every day.
If this were a horror film, or Shakespeare tragedy, methinks they'll kill eachother before themselves.
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Posté 24 décembre 2013 - 06:05
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I'll go ahead and stop people really quick on the "space exploration is now way to alleviate overpopulation" and the tangent about sex ed that followed it...
When Columbus first made his trip to the West Indies, it required financing by Spain's Queen to get going. A huge investment of ships, crew and supplies, unheard of before in that time.
Yet, less than 250 years later, the potato famine allowed huge segments of the Irish population to mass migrate in the millions out of the depressed economic state. Point being, we can't imagine space exploration alleviating population woes because only because we can't imagine cheap space travel.
Yet, if it follows any other form of transportation in our history, it stands to reason that it will become cheaper, more widely accessible and frequent. Once that tipping point is reached, then who is to say it won't be more economically viable for a family to hop on a spaceship to a a are colony where they are guaranteed work rather than go on unemployment?
Once that happens, then overpopulation doesn't become an issue, simply because people will naturally migrate to where it benefits them most. If resources are scarcer, money is tighter, meaning a guaranteed job is more important than history or roots. If disease is rampant, them people will want to leave the area for a safer place... including a place off the planet.
Once the cost of dealing with existing problems becomes more than the cost of a rocket ship ticket (or whatever more of transportation that emerges as the most economical), then you don't need a plan or schedule to move people... people will move on their own.
The Americas are a perfect example of why the focus should be on exploration and development. Give people the means to leave reasonably cheap and a reason for leaving and they will, in the right numbers and the right pace.
When Columbus first made his trip to the West Indies, it required financing by Spain's Queen to get going. A huge investment of ships, crew and supplies, unheard of before in that time.
Yet, less than 250 years later, the potato famine allowed huge segments of the Irish population to mass migrate in the millions out of the depressed economic state. Point being, we can't imagine space exploration alleviating population woes because only because we can't imagine cheap space travel.
Yet, if it follows any other form of transportation in our history, it stands to reason that it will become cheaper, more widely accessible and frequent. Once that tipping point is reached, then who is to say it won't be more economically viable for a family to hop on a spaceship to a a are colony where they are guaranteed work rather than go on unemployment?
Once that happens, then overpopulation doesn't become an issue, simply because people will naturally migrate to where it benefits them most. If resources are scarcer, money is tighter, meaning a guaranteed job is more important than history or roots. If disease is rampant, them people will want to leave the area for a safer place... including a place off the planet.
Once the cost of dealing with existing problems becomes more than the cost of a rocket ship ticket (or whatever more of transportation that emerges as the most economical), then you don't need a plan or schedule to move people... people will move on their own.
The Americas are a perfect example of why the focus should be on exploration and development. Give people the means to leave reasonably cheap and a reason for leaving and they will, in the right numbers and the right pace.
