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#126
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I want to forget about the power problem. I really do. In fact, I am hoping for the best. But I expect the worst. If you can't tell, space exploration has been an interest of mine for a very long time. I went to space camp when I was a kid and everything. A successful Mars colony in my lifetime would be a dream come true. My instincts tell me that Mars One is not that colony.

I'm not opposed to a private venture. I just don't think this one is or could be with no amount of funding, equipped or competent enough to do it. Google on the other hand seems to be moving in just the right direction, whether they mean to or not.

Modifié par Fortlowe, 01 janvier 2014 - 04:56 .


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Fortlowe wrote...

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Getting there isn't there isn't the problem. Staying there is. The basis of my point is the moon mission. We went there too soon back then, and we haven't gone back since. The moon mission should have happened during the shuttle era. The mars mission shouldn't happen until the fusion era.


Spoken like someone who has zero understanding of historical context.

Why don't you read a newspaper article or two from the 1960s about space travel before you throw history into the scapeheap in your theory crafting.


So we've been back to the moon since Apollo? I must have missed that. <_<


No, you missed how the Soviet Union was perceived as winning the space race with the success of their program in the
late 1950s/early 1960s, Kennedy promised Americans that they would land on the moon by the end of the decade in his 1961 inaugural address, the global excitement generated by the actual Apollo landing (which 20% of the entire world's population watched/heard the lunar walk transmission), and the significance of Neil Armstrong becoming one of the most famous Americans alive.  It was not "too soon," there were very real reasons why the Apollo program was undertaken.

Modifié par Joy Divison, 01 janvier 2014 - 05:01 .


#128
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And you missed having a global perspective on history. Saber rattling put us on the moon when it should have been curiosity. We were not ready to make moon landing. Just like the Vikings going to the Americas, the Chinese before them, and possibly the Egyptians before them. It wasn't until Columbus, that a useful connection could be made.

Apollo moved technology forward, unmistakably. But it did not give us the moon.

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Kaiser Arian wrote...

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Fortlowe wrote...

The big deal is enormous one hundred mile per hour dust storms that last for weeks. The big deal is radiation shielding. The big deal is daily 100 ℉ temperature swings. The big deal is surviving in a hostile environment when everything goes wrong. And it will. That's not cynicism that's just common sense. 

Tell you what. Here's a link to their own website about Martian weather. If you don't think they are downplaying this issue, then I've a bridge to sell you. Solar panels are fine for robots. Robots can turn off then back on again when the sun comes out. We cannot. Month long dust storms are going to be very serious, ongoing, regular, and inevitable issues, that will require a power source that will function in spite of them.


LOL wooow... I respect you're opinion, as silly as most of it is and had hardly anything to do with what I just said, and I don't mean to offend you but, you're a f**king idiot who doesn't need to be involved in this sort of thing! And believe me, I now the risks involved with this... so did Columbus in 1492 that went into the unknown in search of land, along with all the other explorers in human history. If it was such suicide mission to even go to Mars, know one  would even be attemping to do it. Go and live you're own life while the true explorers and believers with the can-do attitude make history forever to be remembered! 


LOL Miauw... I don't respect you're an opion.

Even if the ships of Columbus were sunk and he had nothing but an small boat, he could get his food from the sea and could survive few days until he reaches a coast.

If something goes wrong on Mars for example air and food supply no one can survive without a doubt. And the space travel to Mars can be more dangerous if something happens to the space transporter. Have ever read/seen stuff about a spaceship that gets a hole in its fuselage?


I don't really care if you respect my opinion or not. And yes obviously the stakes are higher when your dealing with space travel, I was just making an example is all. I've read about this stuff most of my life so yeah I know what happens when a spacecraft gets a hole in it haha, I'm not the dumb**s you seem to think I am, and I don't blab on about stuff before I read all the facts.

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Fortlowe wrote...

I want to forget about the power problem. I really do. In fact, I am hoping for the best. But I expect the worst. If you can't tell, space exploration has been an interest of mine for a very long time. I went to space camp when I was a kid and everything. A successful Mars colony in my lifetime would be a dream come true. My instincts tell me that Mars One is not that colony.

I'm not opposed to a private venture. I just don't think this one is or could be with no amount of funding, equipped or competent enough to do it. Google on the other hand seems to be moving in just the right direction, whether they mean to or not.


Well good! As topic creator, I'm starting to get annoyed with all you're whining, all you're bi*ching and all you're arguement starting comments.

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Well good! As topic creator, I'm starting to get annoyed with all you're whining, all you're bi*ching and all you're arguement starting comments.


Woah, Kemosabe. Being topic creator does not mean you get to dictate the flow of conversation, nor be overly aggressive to posters. Let's all try and keep civil... this is how space madness starts.

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Fast Jimmy wrote...

Well good! As topic creator, I'm starting to get annoyed with all you're whining, all you're bi*ching and all you're arguement starting comments.


Woah, Kemosabe. Being topic creator does not mean you get to dictate the flow of conversation, nor be overly aggressive to posters. Let's all try and keep civil... this is how space madness starts.


Lol, noted!

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ME123insanity wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Well good! As topic creator, I'm starting to get annoyed with all you're whining, all you're bi*ching and all you're arguement starting comments.


Woah, Kemosabe. Being topic creator does not mean you get to dictate the flow of conversation, nor be overly aggressive to posters. Let's all try and keep civil... this is how space madness starts.


Lol, noted!


We are all in this together in a spaceship. You become angry, start smashing the ship interior and jeopardize the journey. Thus we the spaceship crew decide to throw you out the airlock! :lol:

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We are all in this together in a spaceship. You become angry, start smashing the ship interior and jeopardize the journey. Thus we the spaceship crew decide to throw you out the airlock! :lol:[/quote]
 
Haha funny joke, :) but as aggressive as it was, I was never angry... I was just saying that I was annoyed with it. 

Modifié par ME123insanity, 01 janvier 2014 - 06:39 .


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I think the biggest challenge will be human... you have cameras on them 24/7 and they're locked up in tiny pods with only a handful (or just 1, for the first two years!) of other humans around? Space madness is right. And they're just accepting volunteers? I think people would need some serious, possibly lifelong training for this kind of ordeal.

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I think the biggest challenge will be human... you have cameras on them 24/7 and they're locked up in tiny pods with only a handful (or just 1, for the first two years!) of other humans around? Space madness is right. And they're just accepting volunteers? I think people would need some serious, possibly lifelong training for this kind of ordeal.


I agree - this attempt at getting publicity will become a horror show if people start cracking under the pressure.

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Fortlowe wrote...

And you missed having a global perspective on history. Saber rattling put us on the moon when it should have been curiosity. We were not ready to make moon landing. Just like the Vikings going to the Americas, the Chinese before them, and possibly the Egyptians before them. It wasn't until Columbus, that a useful connection could be made.

Apollo moved technology forward, unmistakably. But it did not give us the moon.


You keep digging yourself deeper. 

The Apollo program was not "saber rattling."  The Apollo program was not meant to "give us the moon."  It was meant to land on the moon and demonstrate the possibilities that existed in space.  It did these things.  You are wrongly framing it as something it was never meant to be.  Stop.  And history is not a pattern of pre-determined outcomes for you to draw horrible analogies to apply when it suits your whims.  If you are going to examine the merits, causes, and influences of the the Apollo program, you look at the politics, culture, science, economics, and population of the USA in the late 20th century, not handpick a civilization from a thousand years ago that failed in a completely different endeavor for different reasons.  And if you are going to strain your brain searching for bad analogies, at least pick ones that aren't plain wrong.  If you think Ming China and Zheng He's aramada did not have the capability to make a "useful connection" to the Americas, you need to stop making references to history.

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I'm not going to argue with you. You're more experienced.