Kaidan is a kind of sublime, reserved guy that might seem a bit bland on the surface (like Jacob), but holds a bit more depth underneath. He's a thoughtful guy.
Ashley on the other hand is pretty one-dimensional. There's really not much more to her character than what you see in the beginning.
And no, I don't think for one second that she's qualified to be a Spectre. Really, the only reason I believe (in-universe) that she was made a Spectre is because of her connection to Shepard, and with her compromised emotions, easily manipulated. Which is how I view her. In the end, she was a tool for people for sympathetic than her. I very much question her actual skillset in universe for a soldier starting in ME1.
Oh, the times I've pissed off Ashley fans by giving my insight into why she's not someone who should even be on the Normandy. She's a grunt. Nothing more. James at least has the benefit of being Special Forces.
FemShep's Romances?
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#327
Posté 23 décembre 2013 - 04:47
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I think Kaidan's final conversation on earth also clinches it for me, especially if you do a back to back trilogy run.
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I think Kaidan's final conversation on earth also clinches it for me, especially if you do a back to back trilogy run.
I had one playthrough with him, but I don't remember much. I seem to recall it being depressing and having a sense of finality to it. If that's the case, I have no time for it.
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Posté 23 décembre 2013 - 06:04
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Qualifications has nothing to do with why either were made Spectres. They were made Spectres because Udina>Alliance intelligence.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
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I always got the feeling they were setting up Garrus as the potential spectre, way back in ME1. Ash was the voice of cynicism about the Council in general - more of a rival to Liara's urge that Shepard "care about what the galaxy thinks". Ash had nothing to do with Spectres. She's the one that makes quips about the Citadel, about the lake on the Citadel, about the Council, about Udina, about aliens.
Whatever. I shouldn't expect consistency.
Whatever. I shouldn't expect consistency.
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#331
Posté 23 décembre 2013 - 06:31
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I liked Kaidan in ME3 when I finally got around to importing a "kaidan lives" save. I think he was definitely better done than Ashley, although the drunk on the floor scene was funny. I liked it, anyway. Ultimately it was better than the poker scene with James, because Ken and Gabby should have been there, and maybe Dr. Chawkas... then it would have been good.
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Posté 23 décembre 2013 - 08:42
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MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Kaidan is a kind of sublime, reserved guy that might seem a bit bland on the surface (like Jacob), but holds a bit more depth underneath. He's a thoughtful guy.
Ashley on the other hand is pretty one-dimensional. There's really not much more to her character than what you see in the beginning.
And no, I don't think for one second that she's qualified to be a Spectre. Really, the only reason I believe (in-universe) that she was made a Spectre is because of her connection to Shepard, and with her compromised emotions, easily manipulated. Which is how I view her. In the end, she was a tool for people for sympathetic than her. I very much question her actual skillset in universe for a soldier starting in ME1.
Oh, the times I've pissed off Ashley fans by giving my insight into why she's not someone who should even be on the Normandy. She's a grunt. Nothing more. James at least has the benefit of being Special Forces.
I think when Shepard goes over her file in ME one he/she does say something about Ashley having top mark scores. Although I agree with you, shooting something accurately isn't the important thing about being a Spectre (I think every squadmate can do that) and Ashley does not qualify as one.
Having said that I actually liked her back in ME1 and in the Citadel DLC, but not anywhere else. So, I always go with Kaidan in every trilogy run from now on; also his ME3 skillset is awesome possum.
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Really, when you look at it, romances are what separate BioWare games from most other RPGs. The characters that are developed and the way their relationships evolve are what draw us in. The options for Male Shepard's romantic possibilities are high quality. You have the hardnosed, yet still physically appealing, Ashley, the magnificently gorgeous, black haired, big boobed, bulbous butted Yvonne Strahovski, Miranda Lawson, Liara, the tatooed tantalizer Jack, and Tali, who is sweet, lovable, loyal, and is a shopped human goddess. When you look at Female Shepard, who does she have? Thane dies, Jacob messes with someone else, Liara, Kaiden, or Garrus. 2 humans in there and one doesn't have staying power at all. Male Shepard has 3 humans and Tali, and they all appear in the end credits with a personal genuflection towards the fallen Commander. What do you all think?
I only learned about and started playing mass effect as of
late July 2013 and started replaying it steadily
with the dlcs as of late September 2013, so here is my newbie take on Femshep’s limited heterosexual
romance options.
Kaidan: Dead in all my playthroughs. Why? He reminds me of
someone I had an unpleasant relationship with. I won’t elaborate any further.
So it is just a personal issue on my part. But if he is anything like Ashley in
ME3 and constantly berating you in the middle of a reaper invasion
(particularly if you romanced him), then he is an unpleasant whiner and I don’t
want this unpleasant situation for my femshep at that time in her story.
Jacob: I cringed going through his ME2 romance. I made this
femshep the total opposite of myself because I couldn’t stand the interaction
between the two. In ME3 Jacob has no right to tell shep who he thinks she is.
He is putting her in her place so to speak and then admits cheating. That line
about her life being the Normandy (even after she says she wants to have a
family) was enough for me to hate him. My shep was nothing but respectful to
him. Yet he is dogging her with a smile while she puts her life in danger to
save his, his gf, his unborn child, and new friends.
Thane: WAS my canon romance. And sadly no longer. I struggled through the endgame with my
Thanemancing shep (very depressing). Here is my gripe: I have noticed a large number of past complaints
from fans who turned away from his romance in ME2 because of the “dead wife
thingy” fearing that shep was second rate to him, that he would recall in vivid
detail and get caught up in a memory about his dead wife in the middle of intimacy with shep, or
that he allegedly gave shep her nickname (siha), etc. As of his lotsb letter
and deathbed interaction in ME3, I DO believe Thane valued shep as an individual
(as per his letter) and did not give her his wife’s nickname (I doubt he would
use a nickname for his wife on shep in front of his son on his deathbed). He
calls shep siha in front of Kolyat so I doubt he called Irikah that. But –and I
know bioware knew his romance popularity took a hit by the dead wife issue- bioware
choosing to have Thane have a flashback of his wife’s eyes in the video message
he left to shepard in citadel dlc (fan service or antagonism?) pretty much
drove it home to me. He loved Shepard in a special way but not the way he loved
Irikah whom mattered more to him IMO. Thane’s view of the afterlife is that we
are not who we are here there; not physically (we are a new form) or mentally
(are memories die with the body). We are spirits and the essence of that spirit
connects with other spirits we were connected to in life. He wanted to go back
to his wife thus no he jumped on Kai Leng’s sword so he could accelerate his
passage to see Irikah in the sweet hereafter. The end. Too bad for shep he didn’t want to remain by
her side so that another siha did not die “broken, bloodied, and betrayed by
his absence” Okay i'm bitter!
Garrus: The romance is perfect (and IMO more believable-
given its steady growth- than Liara’s) although I hate that my shep pulls a
Thane on him in the end. Problem here is I had the misfortune of seeing him and
Tali get together in my Thanemance playthrough. Being unable to unsee that, I
struggled hesitantly through the romance. All was well again until citadel dlc.
I just can’t shake the feeling that Tali (drunken ramble about getting into bed
with Garrus and then evolving it to getting into bed with Garrus and shep)
still wants to get with Garrus even though she is supposed to be shep’s closest
friend and warns shep about Dr. Michel’s interest in Garrus. It MIGHT just be a
fanservice joke, but with all the other romance issues I don’t even want a hint
of unpleasantness in this romance. I get the eerie feeling that after Garrus is brought back to the Normandy
critically injured, Tali is going to open her vagi-seal and start riding Garrus
on Chakwa’s operating table off into the sunset while my shep lies in the
rubble broken, burned , and most likely bleeding to death.
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lol.. "vagi-seal"..
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Posté 24 décembre 2013 - 05:45
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femShep has two who are worthy: Liara and Samantha. period.
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femShep has two who are worthy: Liara and Samantha. period.
Out of curiosity, does Traynor show up in the holo-goodbyes if you romance her?
I like her even though I'm straight/male, but I don't recall her showing up there.
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Posté 24 décembre 2013 - 05:51
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No.StreetMagic wrote...
sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
femShep has two who are worthy: Liara and Samantha. period.
Out of curiosity, does Traynor show up in the holo-goodbyes if you romance her?
I like her even though I'm straight/male, but I don't recall her showing up there.
Her goodbye is done before the Hackett speech at the CIC
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themikefest wrote...
No.StreetMagic wrote...
sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
femShep has two who are worthy: Liara and Samantha. period.
Out of curiosity, does Traynor show up in the holo-goodbyes if you romance her?
I like her even though I'm straight/male, but I don't recall her showing up there.
Her goodbye is done before the Hackett speech at the CIC
Oh OK. I remember something like that now (just haven't played in awhile).
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Posté 24 décembre 2013 - 05:58
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StreetMagic wrote...
themikefest wrote...
No.StreetMagic wrote...
sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
femShep has two who are worthy: Liara and Samantha. period.
Out of curiosity, does Traynor show up in the holo-goodbyes if you romance her?
I like her even though I'm straight/male, but I don't recall her showing up there.
Her goodbye is done before the Hackett speech at the CIC
Oh OK. I remember something like that now (just haven't played in awhile).
Yeah, her adjusted goodbye is one of the stronger parts of her romance arc. A bit sappy, but nice.
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dreamgazer wrote...
Yeah, her adjusted goodbye is one of the stronger parts of her romance arc. A bit sappy, but nice.
"some kind of retriever..."
That was cool. And hopeful.
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StreetMagic wrote...
sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
femShep has two who are worthy: Liara and Samantha. period.
Out of curiosity, does Traynor show up in the holo-goodbyes if you romance her?
I like her even though I'm straight/male, but I don't recall her showing up there.
Which is kind of lame. I know they were squaddies and had a reason to be there and all that, but I'm beyond blackberry jelly at the EC evac goodbyes. If you ramanced any ME2 character or Steve or Sam, your final goodbye is well before the beam push, and (in Steve's case at least) quite impersonal as you're just looking at a hologram.
Not to mention the unfortunate issue of leaving Esteban heartbroken over another love...
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eyezonlyii wrote...
StreetMagic wrote...
sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
femShep has two who are worthy: Liara and Samantha. period.
Out of curiosity, does Traynor show up in the holo-goodbyes if you romance her?
I like her even though I'm straight/male, but I don't recall her showing up there.
Which is kind of lame. I know they were squaddies and had a reason to be there and all that, but I'm beyond blackberry jelly at the EC evac goodbyes. If you ramanced any ME2 character or Steve or Sam, your final goodbye is well before the beam push, and (in Steve's case at least) quite impersonal as you're just looking at a hologram.
Not to mention the unfortunate issue of leaving Esteban heartbroken over another love...
Well, I sympathize. After coming off the great writing for Jack in ME2, the holo goodbye was like.. "Huh?"
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Posté 24 décembre 2013 - 06:12
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That is why the what-the-crap-evac scene is so stupid. Why do we need to say goodbye to a character a second time when it was done a short time ago? It added insult to injury for those of us who didn't romance an ME1 character.
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Posté 24 décembre 2013 - 06:15
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Despite the evac scene itself being a bit silly, I didn't dislike the way the non-romance content was written for almost everybody.
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StreetMagic wrote...
eyezonlyii wrote...
StreetMagic wrote...
sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
femShep has two who are worthy: Liara and Samantha. period.
Out of curiosity, does Traynor show up in the holo-goodbyes if you romance her?
I like her even though I'm straight/male, but I don't recall her showing up there.
Which is kind of lame. I know they were squaddies and had a reason to be there and all that, but I'm beyond blackberry jelly at the EC evac goodbyes. If you ramanced any ME2 character or Steve or Sam, your final goodbye is well before the beam push, and (in Steve's case at least) quite impersonal as you're just looking at a hologram.
Not to mention the unfortunate issue of leaving Esteban heartbroken over another love...
Well, I sympathize. After coming off the great writing for Jack in ME2, the holo goodbye was like.. "Huh?"
I have never seen Jacks' holo goodbye in romance form (going to look it up now). But the non romance version left a lasting impression on me so much that I always save her message for the last. She just looks so damn terrified that I knew...yep i'm gonna die.
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themikefest wrote...
That is why the what-the-crap-evac scene is so stupid. Why do we need to say goodbye to a character a second time when it was done a short time ago? It added insult to injury for those of us who didn't romance an ME1 character.
Tsk. Tsk. Way to pretend you're against something because of some pseudo-logic only to clumsily reveal you're clearly angry out of spite. Very obvious sour grapes.
Foolish.
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Posté 24 décembre 2013 - 06:20
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Straight female here.
Kaidan: Absolutely delightful. He starts out a little white-bread but by his fourth convo, he shows a very sexy side. He's into Shep and Shep's into him. If played the wrong way, he can come off as a bit weak, but it's not necessary. His ME3 content is notably more substantial than Ash's, which makes him a more desirable partner.
Liara: I should like her and for the first two games I really do. Butshe feels distant and cold in 3 until Cronos, and by then it's too late.
Garrus. Easily the best romance in technical terms. Dombrow outdid himself. Only, I have no idea what kind of Shep goes for him and keep friendzoning him. Help?
Thane: Practically built to my specifications. Brooding, well-read, tragic. And I like it precisely because it is tragic. There's a rightness when I romance Thane. He doesn't have a lot of content, but it makes killing Leng and the ending feel appropriate.
Jacob: Never done it. Never will.
Samantha: I should adore her. She's like Miranda for FSheps. But by ME3, I usually already have a LI and she just can't compete because she and Shep have no history.
Kaidan: Absolutely delightful. He starts out a little white-bread but by his fourth convo, he shows a very sexy side. He's into Shep and Shep's into him. If played the wrong way, he can come off as a bit weak, but it's not necessary. His ME3 content is notably more substantial than Ash's, which makes him a more desirable partner.
Liara: I should like her and for the first two games I really do. Butshe feels distant and cold in 3 until Cronos, and by then it's too late.
Garrus. Easily the best romance in technical terms. Dombrow outdid himself. Only, I have no idea what kind of Shep goes for him and keep friendzoning him. Help?
Thane: Practically built to my specifications. Brooding, well-read, tragic. And I like it precisely because it is tragic. There's a rightness when I romance Thane. He doesn't have a lot of content, but it makes killing Leng and the ending feel appropriate.
Jacob: Never done it. Never will.
Samantha: I should adore her. She's like Miranda for FSheps. But by ME3, I usually already have a LI and she just can't compete because she and Shep have no history.
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I just run Priority Earth with the odd couple, EDI and Javik. If I'm going to have some final "goodbye" with someone it'll be the first things I encountered in ME1 : Protheans and AI. If I'm not going to have ME2 characters around, then they're the best alternative.
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David7204 wrote...
themikefest wrote...
That is why the what-the-crap-evac scene is so stupid. Why do we need to say goodbye to a character a second time when it was done a short time ago? It added insult to injury for those of us who didn't romance an ME1 character.
Tsk. Tsk. Way to pretend you're against something because of some pseudo-logic only to clumsily reveal you're clearly angry out of spite. Very obvious sour grapes.
Foolish.
You're in a romance thread. What does any of this have to do with logic? It's all revolves around emotional writing.
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Posté 24 décembre 2013 - 06:30
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I just re-watched Steve's goodbye. Must have missed it the first time, but it hardly felt like a "romantic" goodbye, especially after watching the awesomeness that was Traynor's.
Sigh...
Sigh...
