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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Thank you for coming up with a constructive suggestion.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...
First of all, the player should not be penalized for enjoying the game.

They aren't. The Player Character however could be.

Romance is a significant chunk of the characterization content in ME 2, and offering it to players and then screwing them over for participating is very poor design. Expecting players interested in romance to just opt out of the content for an entire entry in the trilogy is silly.

Guess what ME3 did for those of us that romanced people in ME2 (that weren't the Dextro's).

The game pretty much told us we chose wrong.

Secondly, it's not cheating. The state of the relationship between Shepard and the ME 1 love interest is, at best, ambiguous as of ME 2.

Who said anything about Mass Effect? You brought this up, not anyone else.

[David7204]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Guess what ME3 did for those of us that romanced people in ME2 (that weren't the Dextro's).

The game pretty much told us we chose wrong.

That really has nothing whatsoever to do with the issue at hand. Not getting your love interest on the ship is hardly the same issue as a forced break-up.

[spirosz]

It is ambiguous as you stated, but it can also be considered cheating. I've seen people complain about their partners kissing another person on a cheek to be considered "cheating". The problem with the ME1 romances going into ME2 is the lack of writing to help reassure the player(s) that they are either committing to the relationship at hand or are not, but that can be different for "x" relationship as well, depending on the characters and the lack of writing on the characters side, either Ashley or Kaidan. Liara is fine... obviously (why wouldn't blue be good (lolololol) - with LOTSB and having her and Shepard commenting towards where their relationship stands.

But again, isn't that a form of screwing players because Kaidan and Ashely didn't get a scene with similar chances. I don't consider the emails "fair" because you can't even reply to them.

And yes, before the Citadel DLC, ME2 romances were a joke (but this is subjective).  

Modifié par spirosz, 20 décembre 2013 - 07:24 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Guess what ME3 did for those of us that romanced people in ME2 (that weren't the Dextro's).

The game pretty much told us we chose wrong.

That really has nothing whatsoever to do with the issue at hand. Not getting your love interest on the ship is hardly the same issue as a forced break-up.

You didn't word your argument like that. 

You've just changed your argument. Congratulations.

[David7204]

This has nothing to do with love interests being somehow obligated to get the same amount of content. (Which they aren't.) So I would appreciate us not pretending that's the issue.

[JamieCOTC]

BW screwed up Thane's romance in ME3 and they admitted it. Somewhere on these forums is an admission of dropping the ball on Thane's romance. In an earlier draft of the script, Thane speaks to Shepard, word for word, what he says in the vid in Citadel. The earlier draft actually has him saving the Councilor by killing Udina (if Shepard doesn't do it), but dying later in Shepard's arms. Before he dies, Thane recounts the last night they spent together.

Thane:The moment will be soon. [Coughing fit.] I shouldn’t have run. You did not even need me.
Shepard: You fought for something noble, Thane. As last moments go, it’s not a bad one.
Thane:No… there is one I would prefer.[Thane memory flashback.] Fist slams the table. Shame at my cowardice, my fear. Atonement means nothing.Her hand touches mine. Her lips part and I tremble. “Thane, be alive with me tonight.”

With Jacob, I see why a lot of people don't like what happens in ME3, but I have to give BW credit for trying something different. The problem is they failed miserably. Again, BW writers have claimed that they felt the idea was sound, but something got lost in translation. The Citadel DLC helps, but it's a day late and a dollar short.

To be honest, both romances could have been interesting even if Thane still died and Jacob still left Shepard. BW either dropped the ball, rushed the game, didn't put enough resources into them or all of the above. I think it goes back to they idea that BW devs underestimated the love fans had for these characters and Shepard. Which really does boggle the mind.

[David7204]

Nobody romanced Jacob, so who cares about him anyway.

As for Thane, I would have a lot more respect for the 'movement' if it wasn't filled with people insisting and demanding Thane could live, and then failing to come up with any good reason how such a thing could be possible in an even remotely satisfying manner. 

Modifié par David7204, 20 décembre 2013 - 07:28 .

[spirosz]

David7204 wrote...

Nobody romanced Jacob, so who cares about him anyway.

Back up, back up.

Aren't you always advocating for not screwing up players?  

Oh David, this is screenshot worthy. 

[dreamgazer]

I'd say the captain's cabin photo of the ME1 love interest appearing and disappearing in ME2 takes away from some of that ambiguity.

[David7204]

Nobody's getting screwed over. Nobody romanced him.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

This has nothing to do with love interests being somehow obligated to get the same amount of content. (Which they aren't.) So I would appreciate us not pretending that's the issue.

Isn't that contradictory to you idea of player's not being screwed for their decisions?

If you like someone in ME2, you clearly get the bottom of the barrel.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

Nobody's getting screwed over. Nobody romanced him.

Except the people who romanced him. And Thane. And Jack (vanilla game). And Miranda (vanilla game).

Hell, Ashley even. 

[spirosz]

David7204 wrote...

Nobody's getting screwed over. Nobody romanced him.

David.  

Do I even need to reply to this?  You're just in a trolling mood today, aren't you?

I respect that, haha. 

[2Pac]

David7204 wrote...

Nobody romanced Jacob, so who cares about him anyway.

Woah woah, Jacob's romance isn't at all bad. I agree that thanes is better but come one take what you type into consideration.

[CronoDragoon]

David7204 wrote...

First of all, the player should not be penalized for enjoying the game. Romance is a significant chunk of the characterization content in ME 2, and offering it to players and then screwing them over for participating is very poor design. Expecting players interested in romance to just opt out of the content for an entire entry in the trilogy is silly.

That's not what I'm talking about. It's pretty clear after Horizon that the VS romance is over if you want it to be. I'm talking about, say, romancing Tali in ME2 and then getting back with Liara in Shadow Broker. In ME3 they both are just, "Aw it's okay Shepard, as long as it's me from now on." I did that on purpose expecting fireworks and all I got were a few snide comments before the geth dreadnaught.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 20 décembre 2013 - 07:35 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I romanced Jacob. He seemed like a decent guy. I had to check out those abs. It was the acting directions Hale was given I had an issue with ("I just want to talk for a bit." -- "Come on, sexier, sexier, you want him, that's it, a little more cheese, there. That's a wrap.")

[SlottsMachine]

spirosz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Nobody's getting screwed over. Nobody romanced him.

David.  

Do I even need to reply to this?  You're just in a trolling mood today, aren't you?

I respect that, haha. 

David, you are a good bloke you know that. 

[David7204]

Diverse characters, particularly diverse characters with a role in the story, generally aren't going to get 'equal' content. That's really just the end of it. Even 'equal' screentime is rarely going to mean 'equal' quality. And it's a foolhardy goal to place above quality anyway.

[spirosz]

David is growing on me.

[2Pac]

spirosz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Nobody's getting screwed over. Nobody romanced him.

David.  

Do I even need to reply to this?  You're just in a trolling mood today, aren't you?

I respect that, haha. 

David is always in a trolling mood sprio.

[David7204]

spirosz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Nobody's getting screwed over. Nobody romanced him.

David.  

Do I even need to reply to this?  You're just in a trolling mood today, aren't you?

I respect that, haha. 

You think you can find me a single active BSN member who canonically romanced Jacob?

Modifié par David7204, 20 décembre 2013 - 07:36 .

[spirosz]

David7204 wrote...

Diverse characters, particularly diverse characters with a role in the story, generally aren't going to get 'equal' content. That's really just the end of it. Even 'equal' screentime is rarely going to mean 'equal' quality. And it's a foolhardy goal to place above quality anyway.

Oh the double standars I feel.  You wouldn't be saying this if Miranda took over half of Liara's role in ME3, which is just as and even more viable from the state of ME2, but blue.

 

[spirosz]

David7204 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Nobody's getting screwed over. Nobody romanced him.

David.  

Do I even need to reply to this?  You're just in a trolling mood today, aren't you?

I respect that, haha. 

You think you can find me a single active BSN member who canonically romanced Jacob?

Yes, go to ME2 section and go to the Jacob thread.  Go to tumblrs.  Talk to other people who enjoyed Mass Effect and one thing, you did not state caonically, you said "Nobody romanced him" - which doesn't refer to anything canon.  

[David7204]

Utter nonsense, spirosz. I said it when Miranda 'took over' for Liara in ME 2. I said it then, and I'm saying now. I said it when the ME 2 characters came. I say it when they left.