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[Melee or Die]

Come to think of it; deflecting gunfire and powers, would be a handy ability for the range-challenged.

[David Diablo]

You just made this thread in the hope Bioware agrees and makes melee kits even more OP in YOUR hands. Am I right Kakerot? 
Nevertheless, I totally agree with you. I like the ideas about how certain kits could streamline their powers by wielding pure melee weapons and Omni-tools or other enhancements for power focused classes. The obvious penalty would be not carrying a gun for those "oh s***!" moments.
So long as Bioware don't do like they did on ME2 where we went from having lots of choices on builds and weapons in ME1 to no variety in ME2, I'm happy though...

[Nitrocuban]

Heavy Melee should be a weaponslot thing.
Want a hammer? Take it. Want some biotic boom for it? Put that mod on.

[Strict31]

EntropicAngel wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

The force can stop slugs in their tracks... Slug thrower weapons still exist in the star wars universe, just not in the movies. I used to play the D&D style game..

sure it can, if the user has the presence of mind to select each and every projectile to slow it down.

as for a shield, each projectile would strain it, draining your power. wouldn't stand up to automatic fire unless you were starkiller.

It's kind of strange that it would actually be harder to deflect a projectile (or numerous such projectiles fired at once) traveling a couple hundred feet per second than it would be to deflect a burst of high energy particles traveling a couple hundred thousand kilometers per second.

It seems like it wouldn't matter how many bullets a weapon is capable of throwing at you if you've got the power to sense and deflect something moving at or close to the speed of light. Never mind the power to catch that burst of high energy particles and launch it back with perfect accuracy at the guy who shot it.

But bullets are gonna overwhelm a Jedi's abilities? 

Well, I guess if space magic made sense, George Lucas would be out of a job. Oh wait...

[Melee or Die]

David Diablo wrote...

You just made this thread in the hope Bioware agrees and makes melee kits even more OP in YOUR hands. Am I right Kakerot? 
Nevertheless, I totally agree with you. I like the ideas about how certain kits could streamline their powers by wielding pure melee weapons and Omni-tools or other enhancements for power focused classes. The obvious penalty would be not carrying a gun for those "oh s***!" moments.
So long as Bioware don't do like they did on ME2 where we went from having lots of choices on builds and weapons in ME1 to no variety in ME2, I'm happy though...

David, I'm gonna have to ask you stop exposing my plots, dammit! llooll:devil:

[121andrew]

They'd have to make it work properly, though.
If you got insane bonuses using some weird hand-biotic-amplifiers, then it'd seem unfair to people who like using guns.
I'd totally not use guns when playing as pure biotics, as there is really no need for them.

[BronzTrooper]

EntropicAngel wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

The force can stop slugs in their tracks... Slug thrower weapons still exist in the star wars universe, just not in the movies. I used to play the D&D style game..

sure it can, if the user has the presence of mind to select each and every projectile to slow it down.

as for a shield, each projectile would strain it, draining your power. wouldn't stand up to automatic fire unless you were starkiller.

You're assuming that Jedi would only use the Force to stop the slugs.  Think about this then, a lightsaber produces enough heat to cut through anything short of beskar (Mandalorian iron, used to make Mando armor otherwise known as beskar'gam, or iron skin) in a single thrust or swipe.  A Jedi could simply vaporize any slug fired at him/her by blocking it with their lightsaber.

Or they could just go all Matrix and stop entire walls of slugs with the Force and drop them to the floor or dodge the slugs entirely.

[Strict31]

Gamer072196 wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

The force can stop slugs in their tracks... Slug thrower weapons still exist in the star wars universe, just not in the movies. I used to play the D&D style game..

sure it can, if the user has the presence of mind to select each and every projectile to slow it down.

as for a shield, each projectile would strain it, draining your power. wouldn't stand up to automatic fire unless you were starkiller.

You're assuming that Jedi would only use the Force to stop the slugs.  Think about this then, a lightsaber produces enough heat to cut through anything short of beskar (Mandalorian iron, used to make Mando armor otherwise known as beskar'gam, or iron skin) in a single thrust or swipe.  A Jedi could simply vaporize any slug fired at him/her by blocking it with their lightsaber.

Or they could just go all Matrix and stop entire walls of slugs with the Force and drop them to the floor or dodge the slugs entirely.

I think Mandalorian Iron and that cortosis weave crap used in every piece of armor and clothing in KotOR are among the dumbest things ever introduced into Star Wars by anyone not named George Lucas.

Stuff sure didn't keep Jango's head from getting chopped off. Or I guess maybe the Mandies were all out of their special super-space-magic armor by the time he got into the bounty hunter game.

[BronzTrooper]

Strict31 wrote...

Gamer072196 wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

The force can stop slugs in their tracks... Slug thrower weapons still exist in the star wars universe, just not in the movies. I used to play the D&D style game..

sure it can, if the user has the presence of mind to select each and every projectile to slow it down.

as for a shield, each projectile would strain it, draining your power. wouldn't stand up to automatic fire unless you were starkiller.

You're assuming that Jedi would only use the Force to stop the slugs.  Think about this then, a lightsaber produces enough heat to cut through anything short of beskar (Mandalorian iron, used to make Mando armor otherwise known as beskar'gam, or iron skin) in a single thrust or swipe.  A Jedi could simply vaporize any slug fired at him/her by blocking it with their lightsaber.

Or they could just go all Matrix and stop entire walls of slugs with the Force and drop them to the floor or dodge the slugs entirely.

I think Mandalorian Iron and that cortosis weave crap used in every piece of armor and clothing in KotOR are among the dumbest things ever introduced into Star Wars by anyone not named George Lucas.

Stuff sure didn't keep Jango's head from getting chopped off. Or I guess maybe the Mandies were all out of their special super-space-magic armor by the time he got into the bounty hunter game.

Mace sliced at Jango's neck, right between his helmet and chest plate.  The joints are the most vunerable parts of the beskar'gam, just like with any armor.  The Mandalorians use the same undersuit as the Republic clone troopers, which is not laced with beskar considering how difficult it is to shape into armor, let alone lace into fabric.

[megabeast37215]

EntropicAngel wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

The force can stop slugs in their tracks... Slug thrower weapons still exist in the star wars universe, just not in the movies. I used to play the D&D style game..

sure it can, if the user has the presence of mind to select each and every projectile to slow it down.

as for a shield, each projectile would strain it, draining your power. wouldn't stand up to automatic fire unless you were starkiller.

You underestimate the power, of the dark side!!!

[Evil]

Gamer072196 wrote...

Strict31 wrote...

I think Mandalorian Iron and that cortosis weave crap used in every piece of armor and clothing in KotOR are among the dumbest things ever introduced into Star Wars by anyone not named George Lucas.

Stuff sure didn't keep Jango's head from getting chopped off. Or I guess maybe the Mandies were all out of their special super-space-magic armor by the time he got into the bounty hunter game.

Mace sliced at Jango's neck, right between his helmet and chest plate.  The joints are the most vunerable parts of the beskar'gam, just like with any armor.  The Mandalorians use the same undersuit as the Republic clone troopers, which is not laced with beskar considering how difficult it is to shape into armor, let alone lace into fabric.

Bingo.

Take a look at this photo:


Do you see any cuts or burns to the helmet?  Me neither.

[Strict31]

Gamer072196 wrote...

Strict31 wrote...

Gamer072196 wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

The force can stop slugs in their tracks... Slug thrower weapons still exist in the star wars universe, just not in the movies. I used to play the D&D style game..

sure it can, if the user has the presence of mind to select each and every projectile to slow it down.

as for a shield, each projectile would strain it, draining your power. wouldn't stand up to automatic fire unless you were starkiller.

You're assuming that Jedi would only use the Force to stop the slugs.  Think about this then, a lightsaber produces enough heat to cut through anything short of beskar (Mandalorian iron, used to make Mando armor otherwise known as beskar'gam, or iron skin) in a single thrust or swipe.  A Jedi could simply vaporize any slug fired at him/her by blocking it with their lightsaber.

Or they could just go all Matrix and stop entire walls of slugs with the Force and drop them to the floor or dodge the slugs entirely.

I think Mandalorian Iron and that cortosis weave crap used in every piece of armor and clothing in KotOR are among the dumbest things ever introduced into Star Wars by anyone not named George Lucas.

Stuff sure didn't keep Jango's head from getting chopped off. Or I guess maybe the Mandies were all out of their special super-space-magic armor by the time he got into the bounty hunter game.

Mace sliced at Jango's neck, right between his helmet and chest plate.  The joints are the most vunerable parts of the beskar'gam, just like with any armor.  The Mandalorians use the same undersuit as the Republic clone troopers, which is not laced with beskar considering how difficult it is to shape into armor, let alone lace into fabric.

Yeah.

Or maybe it's just some silliness Expanded Universe crapped into continuity, and Lucas didn't care because he really really wanted to let Samuel L. Jackson chop somebody's head off.

The Mandalorians are collectively the Wolverine/Batman of the Star Wars universe. With all the stuff EU writers have pulled out of their ass to make them seem cool, it's still a sad fact that Jango got behaded by the very thing his armor is designed to defend against, while Boba got swallowed by a space-vagina lined with razor sharp teeth.

Not the greatest track record for Mandalorian Iron. Which was marginalized even more by the fact that Cortosis weave performed the exact same function in KotOR and, despite what Wookieepedia has to say on the subject, it was so widely available that literally everyone had access to it.

It would be roughly akin to writing a Superman comic in which every bank robber or criminal has a gun filled with kryptonite bullets, just to make it tougher for him to beat up a thug who would otherwise have zero impact on the story.

[Strict31]

Evil Mastered wrote...

Gamer072196 wrote...

Strict31 wrote...

I think Mandalorian Iron and that cortosis weave crap used in every piece of armor and clothing in KotOR are among the dumbest things ever introduced into Star Wars by anyone not named George Lucas.

Stuff sure didn't keep Jango's head from getting chopped off. Or I guess maybe the Mandies were all out of their special super-space-magic armor by the time he got into the bounty hunter game.

Mace sliced at Jango's neck, right between his helmet and chest plate.  The joints are the most vunerable parts of the beskar'gam, just like with any armor.  The Mandalorians use the same undersuit as the Republic clone troopers, which is not laced with beskar considering how difficult it is to shape into armor, let alone lace into fabric.

Bingo.

Take a look at this photo:


Do you see any cuts or burns to the helmet?  Me neither.

Not as random or clumsy as a blaster, IMO.

I also don't see a severed head falling out of the helmet, which is the one thing that would have made the Prequels worth it. Aside from an extended lesbian love affair between Padme and Aayla Secura, that is.

[mybudgee]

[BronzTrooper]

Strict31 wrote...

Gamer072196 wrote...

Strict31 wrote...

Gamer072196 wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

The force can stop slugs in their tracks... Slug thrower weapons still exist in the star wars universe, just not in the movies. I used to play the D&D style game..

sure it can, if the user has the presence of mind to select each and every projectile to slow it down.

as for a shield, each projectile would strain it, draining your power. wouldn't stand up to automatic fire unless you were starkiller.

You're assuming that Jedi would only use the Force to stop the slugs.  Think about this then, a lightsaber produces enough heat to cut through anything short of beskar (Mandalorian iron, used to make Mando armor otherwise known as beskar'gam, or iron skin) in a single thrust or swipe.  A Jedi could simply vaporize any slug fired at him/her by blocking it with their lightsaber.

Or they could just go all Matrix and stop entire walls of slugs with the Force and drop them to the floor or dodge the slugs entirely.

I think Mandalorian Iron and that cortosis weave crap used in every piece of armor and clothing in KotOR are among the dumbest things ever introduced into Star Wars by anyone not named George Lucas.

Stuff sure didn't keep Jango's head from getting chopped off. Or I guess maybe the Mandies were all out of their special super-space-magic armor by the time he got into the bounty hunter game.

Mace sliced at Jango's neck, right between his helmet and chest plate.  The joints are the most vunerable parts of the beskar'gam, just like with any armor.  The Mandalorians use the same undersuit as the Republic clone troopers, which is not laced with beskar considering how difficult it is to shape into armor, let alone lace into fabric.

Yeah.

Or maybe it's just some silliness Expanded Universe crapped into continuity, and Lucas didn't care because he really really wanted to let Samuel L. Jackson chop somebody's head off.

The Mandalorians are collectively the Wolverine/Batman of the Star Wars universe. With all the stuff EU writers have pulled out of their ass to make them seem cool, it's still a sad fact that Jango got behaded by the very thing his armor is designed to defend against, while Boba got swallowed by a space-vagina lined with razor sharp teeth.

Not the greatest track record for Mandalorian Iron. Which was marginalized even more by the fact that Cortosis weave performed the exact same function in KotOR and, despite what Wookieepedia has to say on the subject, it was so widely available that literally everyone had access to it.

It would be roughly akin to writing a Superman comic in which every bank robber or criminal has a gun filled with kryptonite bullets, just to make it tougher for him to beat up a thug who would otherwise have zero impact on the story.

Boba Fett actually escaped the sarlacc pit.  Besides, his armor wasn't beskar'gam because he never lived on Mandalore, thus Jango had no access to it.  His armor was made entirely out of durasteel, which is pretty much useless against a lightsaber.  Ironically, that makes him more of a badass because he was a very successful Jedi hunter till he met Luke.

Just for the sake of argument, there are beskar blades that the Mandolorians used.  The thing is, the various powers in Star Wars crave a reliable source of beskar simply because of its durability.  But, the only planet that has it is Mandalore and the Mandalorians don't like to share.  Besides, even if an outside power got access to beskar, they'd still need Mandalorian smiths to work it and that would be impossible.

Any Mandalorian would be able to go toe-to-toe with a Jedi.  Hell, they even fought a war against the Sith at one point.

Besides, I think that cortosis weave was phased out after a while.  Either because of production costs (because it is a synthetic material) or because of some other unknown reason.

[Titus Thongger]

Just give me a two-handed Chainaxe.

BECAUSE KROGAN WER MADE DER FIGHTIN'

AND WINNIN'

[Strict31]

Gamer072196 wrote...


Boba Fett actually escaped the sarlacc pit.  Besides, his armor wasn't beskar'gam because he never lived on Mandalore, thus Jango had no access to it.  His armor was made entirely out of durasteel, which is pretty much useless against a lightsaber.  Ironically, that makes him more of a badass because he was a very successful Jedi hunter till he met Luke.

Just for the sake of argument, there are beskar blades that the Mandolorians used.  The thing is, the various powers in Star Wars crave a reliable source of beskar simply because of its durability.  But, the only planet that has it is Mandalore and the Mandalorians don't like to share.  Besides, even if an outside power got access to beskar, they'd still need Mandalorian smiths to work it and that would be impossible.

Any Mandalorian would be able to go toe-to-toe with a Jedi.  Hell, they even fought a war against the Sith at one point.

Besides, I think that cortosis weave was phased out after a while.  Either because of production costs (because it is a synthetic material) or because of some other unknown reason.

You're deriving the entire basis of your argument from Expanded Universe, which is only slightly more professional than fanfiction. Lucas has spent a long time almost completely disregarding Expanded Universe material, and was utterly surprised to find out that anyone gave a crap about Boba Fett.

Boba Fett's cooolness is literally fueled by the secret man-love of people who thought his action figure looked too cool for him to die in a space-vagina. And by the way, Boba was rescued by Dengar and some chick. They're the only reason he "survived" the space-****'s vicious assault upon him.

Boba Fett had a great record against smugglers and scoundrels but the moment he stepped into the ring with an actual Jedi--no, no, scratch that, because Luke couldn't do half the stuff the Old Republic era padawans and Knights could--he got his ass served to him in less than five minutes. And to make matters worse for his ego, he got "three stooge'd" by a blind Han Solo, who accidentally whacked him with a stick.

To make matters even more worse, he did the Wilhelm Scream right before he took a header into Tatooine's lady-parts.

But if we're gonna go Expanded Universe up in here, the Mandies were running game on the Republic right up until Revan and Malak stepped in and whupped the ass out of them. The Jedi Order was hands-off that conflict because they were ******, and were afraid that going in and killing the ass out of the Mandalorians would expose them to being total bad-asses in black leather and capes and such.

Which is exactly what happened. The result of Revan's intervention? The Mandalorians were scattered as a people into diaspora, forced to earn a living as two-bit mercenaries, raiders and slavers, desperate to recapture the glory days that existed before they pissed off the absolute wrong Jedi to f*** with.

The didn't get their sh** together until Anakin's time, when they were largely neutered and peaceful, with only a few extremists in their midst hearkening back to the old days when they were getting Force-Choked.

To claim that any Mandalorian could go toe-to-toe with the Jedi is like saying Wolverine could beat Superman just because he looks cool. He might get some lucky shots in, sure. Like that sad sack jedi Jango bullseyed in AotC. But, as with that battle in the arena, the inevitable result is him getting his head chopped off because not one of the vaunted Mandalorian smiths ever thought it might be worthwhile to throw some Mandalorian Iron into their collars.

Pretty big gap, too. Not just in their armor, but in your premise.

Outside of their armor, the Mandies are just as human as the next guy. They have no special powers to match the Jedi or the Sith. And to be perfectly clear about this point, so we don't get lost in debates about Mandalorian Iron, neither the Sith nor the Jedi need to actual use their weapons to kill a foe. Or incapacitate him. They can still drop a ton of brick down on a Mandie's skull or choke him for his disturbing lack of faith. Hell's balls, Jango couldn't even kill a disarmed Obi-Wan Kenobi, and he's supposed to be one of the most bad-assed Mandalorians this side of Canderous Ordo.

Conceivably, they could overwhelm the Jedi or Sith with numbers, which they once had in great abundance. But toe-to-toe? I'm sorry, but that's just fanboyish nonsense. Not on your part, don't get me wrong. The EU has spent a lot of effort ignoring canon to make the Mandalorians look good.

Which leads back to my earlier point about a lot of EU material being silly.