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[Il Divo]

leaguer of one wrote...

You make it sound like they absolutly have to charge for him. Do they? Would people be upset over him if he was avalible for no extra cost with a new purchage of the games. My issue with him is being day one dlc a person has to get for paying extra no matter what. Making his dlc of less quality  makes no differance

Would people be upset if Javik was never created in the first place? That's another option.

Assuming we ignore for a minute theories like "Bioware cuts out all their day 1 dlc from the base game", we're left with the idea that Bioware is supplying additional resources to create day 1 dlc, with the intention of selling it to consumers. As a result, they're going to advertise content which people are most likely to want, which is often companion characters.

Your solution is one that benefits you, as a consumer. But realistically, Bioware is going to do what is in their best interests.  

I'm also not sure why you think the bolded makes no difference, given that your first post I replied to emphasized that one problem is Javik "has a strong impact to the plot". Hence my point that if this is really a critical problem, Bioware will simply make day 1 dlc which has no impact to the plot.

Modifié par Il Divo, 24 décembre 2013 - 12:51 .

[leaguer of one]

In Exile wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
No they did not. They did not even hint at it in any voical  drect or indirect way. It they did please point it out in the vid I just posted.

I just explained it to you.

Say look at the art, makes no diffence be that the art does not go into detail on what the protheans did. They being involve in Asari culture is one thing but no way can you say you got that Prothean geneticly manipulated the asari from the art. That's a huge jump to conclusions. 

No, it's not. It's a "I've actually read science-fiction" before jump to conclusions. We have a lost "super-secret" Prothean beacon, a conversation where Liara is in absolute denial about everything, a conversation that sets up that this Prothean beacon was actually the source of all Asari advances, and the general sci-fi rule of everything is seeded. 

You explain that you got that from the art. I covered that point. You can only see that the protheans were involved witht he asari is someway. Nothing there actually tells how.  Added, it already an assume point the prothean were involve witht eh asari being that it's  a know case that the protheans were involve with every race form ME1. This not really new info. That's the big difference. You can't you you assumed that the asari was modified by the prothean from waht already their being that nothing hint to it with out Javik being there.

"No, it's not. It's a "I've actually read science-fiction" before jump to conclusions. We have a lost "super-secret" Prothean beacon, a conversation where Liara is in absolute denial about everything, a conversation that sets up that this Prothean beacon was actually the source of all Asari advances, and the general sci-fi rule of everything is seeded. "

Then you clearly miss what Liara was arguing about. The issue was not that it's prothean but that the asari were hiding it. We know form ME1 that every race in the galexy owe their advancement to finding prothean tech, It's not new news that the asari did as well. The new info is that they were hiding  this beacon.

[13Dannyboy13]

Day one dlc is not going anywhere. Whether you agree with it or not, any opportunity to make more money from a game will not be overlooked. Myself, I tend to get a bit annoyed from buying a game and then the company wanting even more cash right away, but that is what the industry has become, it's all about the money now, and any chance there is to cash in off a game will be taken, it's just the reality of the gaming industry these days.

[Angrywolves]

I think what irritates me would be dlc already on the disc that I had to pay to unlock.
Paying for a dlc and downloading it/ buying it through Origin or PSN wouldn't bother me nearly as much.

[leaguer of one]

Il Divo wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

You make it sound like they absolutly have to charge for him. Do they? Would people be upset over him if he was avalible for no extra cost with a new purchage of the games. My issue with him is being day one dlc a person has to get for paying extra no matter what. Making his dlc of less quality  makes no differance

Would people be upset if Javik was never created in the first place? That's another option.

Assuming we ignore for a minute theories like "Bioware cuts out all their day 1 dlc from the base game", we're left with the idea that Bioware is supplying additional resources to create day 1 dlc, with the intention of selling it to consumers. As a result, they're going to advertise content which people are most likely to want, which is often companion characters.

Your solution is one that benefits you, as a consumer. But realistically, Bioware is going to do what is in their best interests.  

I'm also not sure why you think the bolded makes no difference, given that your first post I replied to emphasized that one problem is Javik "has a strong impact to the plot". Hence my point that if this is really a critical problem, Bioware will simply make day 1 dlc which has no impact to the plot.

The issue of him having a stron influence to the plot is based on the point that it the main draw to people wanting to buy the dlc. They are using this to get us to buy this dlc know we would want this info and plot details. Is it a good thing we have to pay extra for this? It's not a good thing that they are starting to nicheal and dime us for something  they know we will see as a strong part of the plot from day one.

And giving this to us as additional content for buying it new would still benifit them being that it makes sure we don't wait and by it used being that doing so ensures they do get any profit from us playing the main game.

[leaguer of one]

addiction21 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

You make it sound like they absolutly have to charge for him. Do they? Would people be upset over him if he was avalible for no extra cost with a new purchage of the games. My issue with him is being day one dlc a person has to get for paying extra no matter what. Making his dlc of less quality  makes no differance.

They are a business you should expect to pay for their goods. They should be making something people want to pay for. That is the goal of any business.

No they do not have to charge for DLC but that is their prerogative and if they decide to put a price tag on it then it should not be held against them for doing so.

Of course people wouldn't be upset if it was free. People will take anything even if they will just throw it in the trash a few seconds later if its free.

The issue here is that I did pay for there goods. Why are they already asking me for more money as soon as I bought something from them?

Saying it's a business does not justify any form of business prastace used to get more profit. It's like buy tires but being charged etra to put air in the tires.

Being that we can get the game used with out them making a profit over it, using dlc like this with no additonal charge would make sure they get a profit from use buying the game new.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Pre-ordering and Day 1 DLCs do not serve me as a gamer. The former wants me to commit to a product that has not been released yet and may or may not be of questionable quality and the latter often seems to separate content that should be included in the main game in the first place. To convince gamers to give in to both, the company uses hype marketing. As seen in the past some of that hype contained promises that BW could not deliver. For me that's enough not to support both forms of monetizing.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 24 décembre 2013 - 01:24 .

[addiction21]

leaguer of one wrote...

The issue here is that I did pay for there goods. Why are they already asking me for more money as soon as I bought something from them?

No the issues seems that because you bought something you are entitled to or are owed something.

leaguer of one wrote...


Saying it's a business does not justify any form of business prastace used to get more profit. It's like buy tires but being charged etra to put air in the tires.

You are asking you get the tires put on, balanced and maybe some free windshield wipers because you say so. Because you seem to believe you are entitled to people doing work for free.

leaguer of one wrote...

Being that we can get the game used with out them making a profit over it, using dlc like this with no additonal charge would make sure they get a profit from use buying the game new.

So? That doesn't change the fact that it is well within their rights to ask to be compensated for the work they do. Business and charity. I suggest you look up the meanings of these words and take notes on the differences because you seem to be confused.

[leaguer of one]

addiction21 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

The issue here is that I did pay for there goods. Why are they already asking me for more money as soon as I bought something from them?

No the issues seems that because you bought something you are entitled to or are owed something.

leaguer of one wrote...


Saying it's a business does not justify any form of business prastace used to get more profit. It's like buy tires but being charged etra to put air in the tires.

You are asking you get the tires put on, balanced and maybe some free windshield wipers because you say so. Because you seem to believe you are entitled to people doing work for free.

leaguer of one wrote...

Being that we can get the game used with out them making a profit over it, using dlc like this with no additonal charge would make sure they get a profit from use buying the game new.

So? That doesn't change the fact that it is well within their rights to ask to be compensated for the work they do. Business and charity. I suggest you look up the meanings of these words and take notes on the differences because you seem to be confused.

1."No the issues seems that because you bought something you are entitled to or are owed something."
Yes I am. That's the very point of buying something.
I'm also entitle to service and quality as well being that they are trying to get me to buy something. Even more so that I can get what I want legally with out them profiting.

2."You are asking you get the tires put on, balanced and maybe some free windshield wipers because you say so. Because you seem to believe you are entitled to people doing work for free. "

You mean extra service in order to make sure the customer comes back for future service in aposed to going to someone else. Why would I want to go to a mechanic that wants to nicheal and dime me over one that give me additional quality service  with no extra cost?

3."So? That doesn't change the fact that it is well within their rights to ask to be compensated for the work they do. Business and charity. I suggest you look up the meanings of these words and take notes on the differences because you seem to be confused."

It's one thing to ask me to pay for the service, it's another thing to make so I have to pay extra for something that could easily been part service I am already paying for.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 24 décembre 2013 - 01:46 .

[Absafraginlootly]

I'm all for day 1 dlc as a reward for pre-ordering or buying the game instead of pirating etc. As for day 1 dlc that you pay for - I don't overly care, I won't buy any kind of dlc before I've completed the main game and then I'll only consider buying story dlc if it looks good.

[Il Divo]

leaguer of one wrote...


The issue of him having a stron influence to the plot is based on the point that it the main draw to people wanting to buy the dlc. They are using this to get us to buy this dlc know we would want this info and plot details. Is it a good thing we have to pay extra for this?

You mean a business designed content that they were hoping would encourage further sales? As opposed to the business model where they design content which would...not encourage sales?
 

It's not a good thing that they are starting to nicheal and dime us for something  they know we will see as a strong part of the plot from day one.

Would you like to start paying $70-80 for the base game? If you think that's the preferable alternative, by all means. But as others have pointed out, gaming prices have remained stagnant for quite some time, so the nickel and dime argument holds little water.

And giving this to us as additional content for buying it new would still benifit them being that it makes sure we don't wait and by it used being that doing so ensures they do get any profit from us playing the main game.

Or they could maintain the current model where you pay for the main game and for dlc, which still results in people who buy used having to pay for the extra content.

[leaguer of one]

Il Divo wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...


The issue of him having a stron influence to the plot is based on the point that it the main draw to people wanting to buy the dlc. They are using this to get us to buy this dlc know we would want this info and plot details. Is it a good thing we have to pay extra for this?

You mean a business designed content that they were hoping would encourage further sales? As opposed to the business model where they design content which would...not encourage sales?
 

It's not a good thing that they are starting to nicheal and dime us for something  they know we will see as a strong part of the plot from day one.

Would you like to start paying $70-80 for the base game? If you think that's the preferable alternative, by all means. But as others have pointed out, gaming prices have remained stagnant for quite some time, so the nickel and dime argument holds little water.

And giving this to us as additional content for buying it new would still benifit them being that it makes sure we don't wait and by it used being that doing so ensures they do get any profit from us playing the main game.

Or they could maintain the current model where you pay for the main game and for dlc, which still results in people who buy used having to pay for the extra content.

"You mean a business designed content that they were hoping would encourage further sales? As opposed to the business model where they design content which would...not encourage sales? "

Right because asking some one to pay more right after they paid for some rhing right after you bought somethig from you is a good  bisness model, especally when that something could of been with the product you just bought.

"Or they could maintain the current model where you pay for the main game and for dlc, which still results in people who buy used having to pay for the extra content"

Yes, it's really that black and white. No way could this be done to make sure you don't buy the game used. It's total about the quality and not about dignaty and customer service.

"Would you like to start paying $70-80 for the base game? If you think that's the preferable alternative, by all means. But as others have pointed out, gaming prices have remained stagnant for quite some time, so the nickel and dime argument holds little water. "

 How would pay for day 1 dlc defer that? It brings a $50 -$60 game up $10 no matter what and it not like furture dlc is not going to added to the profit ether.

[Sylvius the Mad]

leaguer of one wrote...

Right because asking some one to pay more right after they paid for some rhing right after you bought somethig from you is a good  bisness model, especally when that something could of been with the product you just bought.

It is, actually.  Your best prospect is a current customer.

[leaguer of one]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Right because asking some one to pay more right after they paid for some rhing right after you bought somethig from you is a good  bisness model, especally when that something could of been with the product you just bought.

It is, actually.  Your best prospect is a current customer.

No it's not. Doing that would drive you customer away. The goal is not to get as much money from them at one. It's to make sure they want to and are willing to come back and pay more out of their own will. If a customer finds out that they just bought something form you and  find out there is something they want that could of been part of the package with no extra cost and they have need to buy ot they would feel cheated.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 24 décembre 2013 - 02:17 .

[Fast Jimmy]

^

Which is why I say giving a discount pass on future DLC with new copies would be a better long term approach than selling D1DLC (or even giving D1DLC away for free with new copies, like Shale).

[addiction21]

LinksOcarina wrote...

I don't know why you are all arguing with a leaguer of one, there is no point to it because of blind devotion to an ideal.

Well I thought it might go somewhere different but it did not. Same old "I am the customer and I am always right. I should get it for free because I say so and do not understand the difference between a business and charity"

I did 4 years behind the customer service desk at a grocery and department store. Not to mention doing my time on the geek squad. Its the type of customer you just nod your head, give them some coupon or "free of charge" and usher them out the door.

They just want you to kiss their ass and give them something because they believe having a little cash in their pocket makes you their slave.

[addiction21]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

^

Which is why I say giving a discount pass on future DLC with new copies would be a better long term approach than selling D1DLC (or even giving D1DLC away for free with new copies, like Shale).

Are we about to get the "its perspective" speech again? Because its rather clear there is a large section that are happy with having the option to buy extra content if they deem it a good purchase day one.

[leaguer of one]

addiction21 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

I don't know why you are all arguing with a leaguer of one, there is no point to it because of blind devotion to an ideal.

Well I thought it might go somewhere different but it did not. Same old "I am the customer and I am always right. I should get it for free because I say so and do not understand the difference between a business and charity"

I did 4 years behind the customer service desk at a grocery and department store. Not to mention doing my time on the geek squad. Its the type of customer you just nod your head, give them some coupon or "free of charge" and usher them out the door.

They just want you to kiss their ass and give them something because they believe having a little cash in their pocket makes you their slave.

This is not a case of biness and charity. This is a case of customer service. Customer service makes a difference makes the difference between finacal assurance and the lack of it.
 I also worked customer service And I know for a fact people don't like having to pay extra for things they just bought.

[Fast Jimmy]

addiction21 wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

^

Which is why I say giving a discount pass on future DLC with new copies would be a better long term approach than selling D1DLC (or even giving D1DLC away for free with new copies, like Shale).

Are we about to get the "its perspective" speech again? Because its rather clear there is a large section that are happy with having the option to buy extra content if they deem it a good purchase day one.

No. This is a superior model because instead of using the new copy of the game to leverage just one DLC, it leverages ALL of your DLC. 

Try and keep up with my repeated theories and stances if you're going to patronize about them. 

[Volus Warlord]

leaguer of one wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

I don't know why you are all arguing with a leaguer of one, there is no point to it because of blind devotion to an ideal.

Well I thought it might go somewhere different but it did not. Same old "I am the customer and I am always right. I should get it for free because I say so and do not understand the difference between a business and charity"

I did 4 years behind the customer service desk at a grocery and department store. Not to mention doing my time on the geek squad. Its the type of customer you just nod your head, give them some coupon or "free of charge" and usher them out the door.

They just want you to kiss their ass and give them something because they believe having a little cash in their pocket makes you their slave.

This is not a case of biness and charity. This is a case of customer service. Customer service makes a difference makes the difference between finacal assurance and the lack of it.
 I also worked customer service And I know for a fact people don't like having to pay extra for things they just bought.

They only don't like it if you have poor salesmanship.

[leaguer of one]

Volus Warlord wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

I don't know why you are all arguing with a leaguer of one, there is no point to it because of blind devotion to an ideal.

Well I thought it might go somewhere different but it did not. Same old "I am the customer and I am always right. I should get it for free because I say so and do not understand the difference between a business and charity"

I did 4 years behind the customer service desk at a grocery and department store. Not to mention doing my time on the geek squad. Its the type of customer you just nod your head, give them some coupon or "free of charge" and usher them out the door.

They just want you to kiss their ass and give them something because they believe having a little cash in their pocket makes you their slave.

This is not a case of biness and charity. This is a case of customer service. Customer service makes a difference makes the difference between finacal assurance and the lack of it.
 I also worked customer service And I know for a fact people don't like having to pay extra for things they just bought.

They only don't like it if you have poor salesmanship.

BS. They don't like it at all. Sorry, but no one like it when thye just buy something and have to sheel out money money for it.

[leaguer of one]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

^

Which is why I say giving a discount pass on future DLC with new copies would be a better long term approach than selling D1DLC (or even giving D1DLC away for free with new copies, like Shale).

Are we about to get the "its perspective" speech again? Because its rather clear there is a large section that are happy with having the option to buy extra content if they deem it a good purchase day one.

No. This is a superior model because instead of using the new copy of the game to leverage just one DLC, it leverages ALL of your DLC. 

Try and keep up with my repeated theories and stances if you're going to patronize about them. 

There's pros and cons with that system. True, it helps you finacal but it does not garrantee to quality of the product. You're basicly buying something way before knowing you would want it or if it good. Added it may on cover the dlc you want or end earlier then you expect it to last.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 24 décembre 2013 - 02:55 .

[Volus Warlord]

leaguer of one wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

I don't know why you are all arguing with a leaguer of one, there is no point to it because of blind devotion to an ideal.

Well I thought it might go somewhere different but it did not. Same old "I am the customer and I am always right. I should get it for free because I say so and do not understand the difference between a business and charity"

I did 4 years behind the customer service desk at a grocery and department store. Not to mention doing my time on the geek squad. Its the type of customer you just nod your head, give them some coupon or "free of charge" and usher them out the door.

They just want you to kiss their ass and give them something because they believe having a little cash in their pocket makes you their slave.

This is not a case of biness and charity. This is a case of customer service. Customer service makes a difference makes the difference between finacal assurance and the lack of it.
 I also worked customer service And I know for a fact people don't like having to pay extra for things they just bought.

They only don't like it if you have poor salesmanship.

BS. They don't like it at all. Sorry, but no one like it when thye just buy something and have to sheel out money money for it.

They will like it if you have good salesmanship. 

[Eurypterid]

leaguer of one wrote...
 You're basicly buying something way before knowing you would want it or if it good

If I understand Jimmy correctly, no, you're not. You're paying for a new copy of the game and as a reward, you get a discount on future DLC (if any). There's no extra cost attached for this - it's included in the price of the game. For what It's worth, I can get behind this idea.

[Fast Jimmy]

Eurypterid wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
 You're basicly buying something way before knowing you would want it or if it good

If I understand Jimmy correctly, no, you're not. You're paying for a new copy of the game and as a reward, you get a discount on future DLC (if any). There's no extra cost attached for this - it's included in the price of the game. For what It's worth, I can get behind this idea.

Exactly. You can sell the discount separately (and maybe have some other benefits, like access to content like what the Cereberus Network tried to do with ME2) for used copies, but the main benefit is to include it with copies of the new game. 

If people feel like A) they are getting a discount and they would be lapping out on a perceived benefit if they DIDN'T buy every piece of DLC that was out out, it would result in higher DLC volume sales. It's less constraining than selling a book of goods like. Season Pass and it has less of your "one and done" results that you see with D1DLC. And, for my own two cents since it is my concept, it would have D1DLC omitted and, instead, M1DLC to come out.