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[Cyberstrike nTo]

ARTHURIUSS wrote...

Navasha wrote...

I like Day 1 DLC, so your very opening statement is clearly false. In fact, I hope they do MORE Day 1 DLC.

I don't want to have to wait until I have already completed the game to find new DLC being released, I would prefer all the EXTRA content there on even my very first playthrough.

The only thing wrong with day 1 DLC is the ill-conceived concept put out there by people who don't want to pay a few extra bucks for a better game, that it is somehow "cut" content. I certainly don't want companies to stop producing extra content because a few "fans" don't understand the concept behind it.

Well, using time/manpower/ w/e to make dlc before the game's even out, to me reeks of greediness and I stick by my opening statement because DAY 1 DLC is either cut content or effort/resources that should have gone into making the base game better or more polished.

Let me put it this way, wouldn't you have been happier to play that extra content without paying more for it? Why is there extra content before the game's even released? How do you deem the content is extra when the game hasn't even released? How do you justify having a divide in game expeiences on Day 1. Nothing legally wrong of course but IMO it is a revoltingly unethical business practice of getting the extra dime out of your fanbase.

The problem I see here is that your thinking that cut content in terms of movies where most of the deleted scenes can be put back in with little work after the film is done. From my understanding that isn't how games are made. Content like Shale from DA:O was in and out of the several times in delveopment due to various reasons some of it was just the number of companions that were in the final game to begin with or was she going to add any real impact on the game's storyline.

Some content is cut for that reason it just doesn't add anything to story, ME2: Normandy Crash Site is a nice little call back to first game but does add anything major to plot or reveal anything new to the character of Shepard? No, it doesn't. Shepard finds her old helment, 20 dog tags, some element zero, plants a statue, and reads her dead XO's diary. Reading the diray is the only character delvopment and it's for a dead character who won't come back. 

Content is cut from games all the time and for various reasons it's not always money and time (I would say a good chunk of it is but not all of it) sometimes it's story, sometimes it's technology, sometimes plans change, etc.

Also is there some law which says people have to buy Day 1 DLC or any DLC for that matter the day it comes out? There are times where I have done that and some I've put off up to years before I bought it. So unless some one literally has a gun pointed to your head or a loved one if you don't want the DLC don't buy it or wait on it.

[In Exile]

Sparketh wrote...

The problem with Day 1 DLC, as people have mentioned, is that it generally was built by people who would have contributed to the game itself. Shale, for instance, was meant to be found in Redcliff, but was converted to DLC.

Did you know that expansions are just made from cut content? And by the same people who developed the main game? And that in the old days, they started planning out the expansion content before the game was released, because of the nature of videogame development cycles? 

Day 1 DLC exists because, in large part, there are lots of people who work on games who finish their work long before the game ships, and they have to do work on something. If you're going to release DLC then it will be work on DLC. 

Part of the reason the game disk has content on it, when the developer isn't screwing you for an unlock code (which is absolutely an unacceptable business practice and, IMO, actual thievery) is that you can just leave part of your stable code on the CD and work on the rest. 

Not all developers do this, but you can do Day 1 DLC without making it just pure revenue. 

Pre-order DLC is a nice way to reward people for having a bit of faith, but should be kept to the superficial. "Pre-order now and get this exclusive snazzy hat!" is cool while "Pre-order now and get a chunk of the game we decided not to put in the game!" is not.

Do you think Tales of the Sword Coast was a scam for BG1? That was content they decided not to put in the game because it couldn't be ready on time, but it was cost-justified to work on it if they could sell it separately. 

Modifié par In Exile, 22 décembre 2013 - 12:21 .

[Wissenschaft]

ghostzodd wrote...

Yes. So therefore Witcher 1 was disappointing. Story was good but, the Menu/UI was ridiculously confusing, The combat system was really werid, also the game really drags on in chapter 2. Its not a bad game but playing it in short bursts helps.

 

Your missing my point. Just because I found flaws in the Witcher 1 doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the game. I played the game for long hours from start to finish. 

Like I said, you can't criticize any part of a witcher game or else your attacked. Sigh, the Witcher games are fun but sadly the community is nasty and overly defensive.

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 22 décembre 2013 - 01:15 .

[TK514]

BioWare, please do Day 1 DLC.

[Maconbar]

Day 2 DLC would work for me.

[Rusty Sandusky]

All you idiots wanting Day One DLC are making my head hurt.

[Kel Riever]

Everybody who favors Day 1 DLC should ask for a critical part of the game left out on their personal copy unless they pay $10 extra on their copy.

Actually, that would take work on BioWare's part.

Okay, everybody who likes Day 1 DLC should just pay $10 extra. Show your support or you aren't a real fan!

Modifié par Kel Riever, 22 décembre 2013 - 02:48 .

[GithCheater]

I will likely forgo two FourBucks* lattes, lick the boots of the corporate lords, and give up my soul for Day one DLC.

It's only a game, and no one is forcing anyone to buy "EVIL" DLC.

[Leanansidhe]

Speak for yourself, OP.  I buy all the DLC.  Day 1, or otherwise.

And, when you're patting your hipster self on the back for sticking it to the "man" and not buying it, I'll be playing the hell out of it, and enjoying my game the way I want to.

[Wissenschaft]

You can always wait an extra year or two and buy the ultimate edition with DLC included for no extra cost.

[Fast Jimmy]

Wissenschaft wrote...

You can always wait an extra year or two and buy the ultimate edition with DLC included for no extra cost.

They have yet to have one for DA2. Or ME3. 

A game actually has to have a market for an Ultimate Edition for that to be a viable solution.

[Angrywolves]

DA2 is considered a flop and there was so much divisiveness over ME3 that I am sure Mr Ray was glad to finish the dlc and forget it.

[Navasha]

GithCheater wrote...

I will likely forgo two FourBucks* lattes, lick the boots of the corporate lords, and give up my soul for Day one DLC.

It's only a game, and no one is forcing anyone to buy "EVIL" DLC.

That truly is the other part I just don't get.   Its $10!!   That's less than a dinner for 1 person at a mediocre sitdown joint.  The cost of a movie ticket for a 90 minute film you probably won't even enjoy because a group of teenagers are yapping on their phones the whole time. 

People make it sound like DLC is such a serious setback.   Games have been relatively inflation free for decades thanks to a swelling consumer base, but those days are coming to an end.   When I was 16 games were $45-$55 bucks and I filled my gas tank on 78 cents/gallon gasoline.  

People will buy a collectors edition and get an artbook for an extra $50 bucks, but complain about the $10 OPTIONAL content pack.    Would everyone complain as loudly if they just upped the base cost of the game $10 bucks and just included the DLC?   That is literally taking away the consumers option there, but I think people would complain less about it.

[leaguer of one]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Wissenschaft wrote...

You can always wait an extra year or two and buy the ultimate edition with DLC included for no extra cost.

They have yet to have one for DA2. Or ME3. 

A game actually has to have a market for an Ultimate Edition for that to be a viable solution.

Dude..They don't even have that for ME1 or 2. Don't make it sound like ME3 so bad that no one now is not buying it.

[leaguer of one]

Kel Riever wrote...

Everybody who favors Day 1 DLC should ask for a critical part of the game left out on their personal copy unless they pay $10 extra on their copy.

Actually, that would take work on BioWare's part.

Okay, everybody who likes Day 1 DLC should just pay $10 extra. Show your support or you aren't a real fan!

But bw dlc's (or any of their day one dlc)  are not critical parts of the game. It not like that price of persia reboot that had it's ending as paid dlc.

[Rotward]

+1, so much this.

[David7204]

What could be a decent argument is crippled by this very, very foolish insistence that Day One DLC is automatically 'cut out.'

Developers know they're going to release DLC. If planning out what exactly that content is going to be makes for better content, by all means, it's something to encourage.

And yes, I'm sure that means that DLC will at least sometimes be content that was considered but ultimately not chosen to be in the main game. Such as Omega.

Modifié par David7204, 22 décembre 2013 - 03:13 .

[Rusty Sandusky]

One word, sycophantics.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Another possibility for Day 1 DLC I noticed hasn't been brought up much is the fact that a disc can only hold so much data. So some Day 1 DLCs can simply be things the developers wanted in the game, but come crunch time was voted off the vanilla game island. So they decide to do it as DLC, and as a result adds more costs to creating and publishing it all digitally instead which results in it having a price tag.

[David7204]

You know, it's funny. The proper word is "sycophants." "Sycophantics" is not a word. Normally I wouldn't care, but given your silly little signature...

Modifié par David7204, 22 décembre 2013 - 03:24 .

[spirosz]

David7204 wrote...

[spirosz]

Not a single fan?


If the day one DLC is good and worth it, then I'll be a fan. Though, there is a difference between cutting content and developing something afterwards, but do we really know the difference? We can assume such, sure - but unless we are working in the very industry, under the same developers and publishers, we won't really know - but I'll be sceptical at best. Unless it's something like disc-locked content that you need to pay for, then that will really rustle my +5 dexterity pants, if you catch my drift.

[spirosz]

I miss expansion though... I really do. I loved what Bethesda did with Dawnguard and Dragonborn, even though they aren't "expansions" they sure as hell feel like it.

Modifié par spirosz, 22 décembre 2013 - 03:27 .