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[Nightdragon8]

Kurremurre wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Hated the way they handed Aveline.Hawke should have been able to romance Aveline.

But it's perfect! It shows that Hawke is in fact not some impeccable lady magnet.

Magdalena11 wrote...

Kurremurre wrote...

Magdalena11 wrote...

I think it's possible that Varric was included because a lot of people think he's a great character and fun to have around.  I hope he's not a romance option.  I think of him as that uncle that makes embarrassing but amazingly insightful and accurate jokes at family dinners.  It's pretty cool having a companion who can be your friend and isn't interested.  I haven't asked but I'm pretty sure most of the people I share stuff with aren't romantically interested and I value their friendship anyway. 

I haven't tried Varric, but I really liked the way they handled that regarding Aveline. It took me by pleasant surprise.

I don't even think there is a heart option for Varric.  When Varric sits Hawke down for a talk about the LI, there's a sarcastic option that asks if Varric is jealous and there's an option there Hawke says, "Now what would I do without my trusty dwarf?  I'd cry myself to sleep without you."  That's about it, though.  I had forgotten about Aveline.  I agree that I like the way that was handled.

Ah. Yeah, I've played a partial female playthrough, and I don't remember seeing a heart option, either. The Wiki seems to think it's possible, though, which is odd.

No hawke is just a magnet for the crazy ones... which isn't always a good thing...

As for Varric, he states in with a FHawke playthough that, While he likes Hawke, he is atractted to female Drawves.

sorry found the youtube vid, /watch?v=6-Ih8UotPYw  its not into humans.

Modifié par Nightdragon8, 31 décembre 2013 - 03:18 .

[Angrywolves]

Apparently a lot of players want to romance him.i don't know why.I don't want to romance him.Not sure it will be possible to romance him as he's still in love with Bianca.

[SilkieBantam]

Seriously I would love for Varric to be an LI.
And regards to the "looking like children" thing, Varric looks like a miniature Gaston, not a little boy.

[daveliam]

My New Year's resolution is to romance a dwarf in DA: I. Let's hope I get a chance!

[Rotward]

David Gaider wrote...

daveliam wrote...
Yeah, he kind of has said that. 

http://social.biowar...3070/1#12427945

The "it has been spoken" part of that post is my resignation to the fact that people on the BSN have decided I have something against dwarf romances, and that's the reason we haven't done one. So it must be true, right? I've elaborated previously, but there's no point in doing it every time if people keep bringing it up. So whatever.

I will re-iterate what's in that post, however, that I'm not about to include a romance plot with a dwarf simply to do so. Nobody has a "right" to a dwarf romance, period the end. I wouldn't mind doing one eventually, but if it happens it'll simply be because we like the character and one of the writers has an idea for how it would work.

Bull****. Plain and simple.

Writers control the characters entirely, from start to finish. For a dwarf romance to exist it has to be written. It's never going to just happen. If your writers are designing dwarves they don't like, you shouldn't have included dwarves to begin with.

Modifié par Rotward, 01 janvier 2014 - 04:27 .

[Magdalena11]

Angrywolves wrote...

Apparently a lot of players want to romance him.i don't know why.I don't want to romance him.Not sure it will be possible to romance him as he's still in love with Bianca.

I don't want to romance him and I don't want him to ever be romanceable.  I understand why some would want to.  He's easy to get along with.  With all the angst and ease of access, it's attractive to have something different.  That's a little of the reason players were disappointed they weren't able to romance Aveline.  Someone who isn't available is always more attractive (in school we called it the dead meat principle.)  If the PC were able to romance him, the PC really would be something special.  I prefer to keep him as a platonic friend.  Everyone needs at least one.

[JuGonzo]

Dwarves always were a secondary race n all fantasy games/books/movies. Even in The Hobbit ( the book is 'the HOBBIT' ). Because they are ALL ugly miners... They are ALL fat Santas... They are just 'comic' characters, lime Gimli... *sign*

Dragon Age was the first universe where they have a major role, but Bioware thinks the audience STILL thinks in dwarves like secondary characters. It's pretty sad, because they are RIGHT!

Look the Hobbit movie... The audience only likes the 'hot' dwarves, like Kili, who doesnt look like a REAL dwarf. More a tiny human...

That's Why our hopes of a dwarven LI are very small...

[Gwydden]

Rotward wrote...

Bull****. Plain and simple.

Writers control the characters entirely, from start to finish. For a dwarf romance to exist it has to be written. It's never going to just happen. If your writers are designing dwarves they don't like, you shouldn't have included dwarves to begin with.

I just love your refined vocabulary and impecable manners.

JuGonzo wrote...

Look the Hobbit movie... The audience only likes the 'hot' dwarves, like Kili, who doesnt look like a REAL dwarf. More a tiny human...

I wasn't aware dwarves were real.

Modifié par Gwydden, 01 janvier 2014 - 04:30 .

[JuGonzo]

Gwydden wrote...

Rotward wrote...

Bull****. Plain and simple.

Writers control the characters entirely, from start to finish. For a dwarf romance to exist it has to be written. It's never going to just happen. If your writers are designing dwarves they don't like, you shouldn't have included dwarves to begin with.

I just love your refined vocabulary and impecable manners.

JuGonzo wrote...

Look the Hobbit movie... The audience only likes the 'hot' dwarves, like Kili, who doesnt look like a REAL dwarf. More a tiny human...

I wasn't aware dwarves were real.

.
I wasn't aware  you know nothing of medieval fantasy

[sandalisthemaker]

Rotward wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

daveliam wrote...
Yeah, he kind of has said that. 

http://social.biowar...3070/1#12427945

The "it has been spoken" part of that post is my resignation to the fact that people on the BSN have decided I have something against dwarf romances, and that's the reason we haven't done one. So it must be true, right? I've elaborated previously, but there's no point in doing it every time if people keep bringing it up. So whatever.

I will re-iterate what's in that post, however, that I'm not about to include a romance plot with a dwarf simply to do so. Nobody has a "right" to a dwarf romance, period the end. I wouldn't mind doing one eventually, but if it happens it'll simply be because we like the character and one of the writers has an idea for how it would work.

Bull****. Plain and simple.

Writers control the characters entirely, from start to finish. For a dwarf romance to exist it has to be written. It's never going to just happen. If your writers are designing dwarves they don't like, you shouldn't have included dwarves to begin with.

Oh you are SASSY.

[Angrywolves]

Magdalena said:

" Someone who isn't available is always more attractive (in school we called it the dead meat principle.)"

In my old HS the homecomng queen and the girls like her, the "hot looking girls" were the ones we guys all looked at.We nerds, and yes I was one of those looked at them from afar and wondered if we were really human, if we would ever feel like a human.

The we went back to our books and our science classes and tried to forget about it.

rotfl

shrugs.

The female dwarfs looked so young in DAO especially, there was I feel a legitimate concern some people, yes the conservative American Fox News crowd would see those kinds of romances and distort them and that was a concern for Bioware.Gaider says it wasn't so we'll have to accept his word for that.

shrugs.

[Viktoria Landers]

JuGonzo wrote...

Dwarves always were a secondary race n all fantasy games/books/movies. Even in The Hobbit ( the book is 'the HOBBIT' ). Because they are ALL ugly miners... They are ALL fat Santas... They are just 'comic' characters, lime Gimli... *sign*

Dragon Age was the first universe where they have a major role, but Bioware thinks the audience STILL thinks in dwarves like secondary characters. It's pretty sad, because they are RIGHT!

Look the Hobbit movie... The audience only likes the 'hot' dwarves, like Kili, who doesnt look like a REAL dwarf. More a tiny human...

That's Why our hopes of a dwarven LI are very small...

Most stupid thing I've heard in 2014.

[JuGonzo]

Viktoria Landers wrote...

JuGonzo wrote...

Dwarves always were a secondary race n all fantasy games/books/movies. Even in The Hobbit ( the book is 'the HOBBIT' ). Because they are ALL ugly miners... They are ALL fat Santas... They are just 'comic' characters, lime Gimli... *sign*

Dragon Age was the first universe where they have a major role, but Bioware thinks the audience STILL thinks in dwarves like secondary characters. It's pretty sad, because they are RIGHT!

Look the Hobbit movie... The audience only likes the 'hot' dwarves, like Kili, who doesnt look like a REAL dwarf. More a tiny human...

That's Why our hopes of a dwarven LI are very small...

Most stupid thing I've heard in 2014.

It's an honor to be a part of your life.

And I agreed: it's stupid, but it's true.

Modifié par JuGonzo, 02 janvier 2014 - 02:43 .

[Icy Magebane]

You know, those comic book images of Bianca that somebody posted a few pages back look like a human... I've never seen a dwarf that tall, and the body didn't have unusual proportions... I don't think anyone should use sloppy artwork like that as an example of anything. The artist didn't even try to make that character look like a dwarf.

As for this topic, all I can say is that if we only have 4-6 romances, I don't think it makes a lot of sense to waste one of those slots on a dwarf, which is a niche interest at best.  If they placed more importance on romances and gave us 8, or even a few non-follower romances, I wouldn't have a problem with including a dwarf or two... but people seem to forget how limited resources are.

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 02 janvier 2014 - 02:54 .

[daveliam]

Isn't a anime-emo elf with floppy white hair, a giant oversized sword, and glowing tattoos a bit "niche" as well?

[JuGonzo]

Icy Magebane wrote...

You know, those comic book images of Bianca that somebody posted a few pages back look like a human... I've never seen a dwarf that tall, and the body didn't have unusual proportions... I don't think anyone should use sloppy artwork like that as an example of anything. The artist didn't even try to make that character look like a dwarf.

As for this topic, all I can say is that if we only have 4-6 romances, I don't think it makes a lot of sense to waste one of those slots on a dwarf, which is a niche interest at best.  If they placed more importance on romances and gave us 8, or even a few non-follower romances, I wouldn't have a problem with including a dwarf or two... but people seem to forget how limited resources are.

Agreed. Bianca is cute (and Kili is cute too), but she doesn't look like a dwarf. I know that except for people with dwarfism there are NO "real" dwarves in the world, BUT some issues can't be discarded. Would we do dwarves  1,80 m tall?! No, for the Stone's sake! 


Yep, as I said, most of people dislike dwarves... I've already accepted the fact that we won't have a dwarven LI never... And Varric will be forever out of our reach... *sign*

Modifié par JuGonzo, 02 janvier 2014 - 07:04 .

[Viktoria Landers]

Icy Magebane wrote...
I don't think it makes a lot of sense to waste one of those slots on a dwarf

Would this female dwarf or a similar one, be a waste or not spark enough interest by the playerbase? Doubtful.

http://static3.wikia...3/3e/Bianca.jpg

[Ziegrif]

Viktoria Landers wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...
I don't think it makes a lot of sense to waste one of those slots on a dwarf

Would this female dwarf or a similar one, be a waste or not spark enough interest by the playerbase? Doubtful.

http://static3.wikia...3/3e/Bianca.jpg

Too bad Varrics got dibs.
Too bad Varric decided to have dibs.
That chest hair.

[ShadyKat]

Angrywolves wrote...

Magdalena said:

" Someone who isn't available is always more attractive (in school we called it the dead meat principle.)"

In my old HS the homecomng queen and the girls like her, the "hot looking girls" were the ones we guys all looked at.We nerds, and yes I was one of those looked at them from afar and wondered if we were really human, if we would ever feel like a human.

The we went back to our books and our science classes and tried to forget about it.

rotfl
shrugs.

The female dwarfs looked so young in DAO especially, there was I feel a legitimate concern some people, yes the conservative American Fox News crowd would see those kinds of romances and distort them and that was a concern for Bioware.Gaider says it wasn't so we'll have to accept his word for that.

shrugs.

Female elves looked pretty young as well. Merrill was probably the most underage acting character in the entire series. Didn't stop her from being a love interestng, just saying. 

[Nightdragon8]

meh was really never intrested in Merill, way to naive for my liking. Was going for avilene then found out that was a hopeless ship, so ended with Isabella, which I accutly liked.

[Asdrubael Vect]

IMHO, we need more elven, dwarven and now Kossith companions and LI, we have enough boring/typical humans and this is kinda lame

srly just thinking about this...

DAO-3 races for protag, 1 kingdom-Ferelden and 1 small dwarven kingdom-Ostagar

companions-8(dog,logain is not a companios)..4 humans, 1 elf, 1 dwarf, 1 Kossith-Qunari, 1 golem

LI- 3 humans(1male, 2 female), 1 elf(1 male) who is a kinda "bonus companion"(because many killed him and we get him mostly at the end of the game)

DAO-A-3 races, small piece of Ferelden

companions-6(Mhairi is not a companion)...3 humans(1 is demon), 1 elf, 2 dwarfs
LI-nothing...damn you Bioware, Velana and Sigrun could be a good LI for our male protag and Anders and Nathaiel for female(Oghren have a wife and childrens).

DA2-damn human Shep..err..Hawke, 1 city-very small kingdom-Kirkwall

companions-8(Bethany/Carver as 1, Tallis is not a companion)...5 humans, 2 elfs, 1 dwarf

LI- 2 humans(1male tainted abominaion, 1 female famous pirate prostitute), 2 elfs(1 female, 1 male "non-slave with amnesia who call himself a slave when he is not and no one call him slave")...Sebastian and Tallis are the same "Li" as Avelin

DAI-4 races, 4 kingdoms(half Thedas)

Companions-~10?(1 dwarf, 2 humans confirmed as companions)...possibly...4 humans(Cassanrda, Vivienne...+Cullen?,+Old Bearded GW?), 1 elf("Sera"-elf female what we see on arts?), 1 dwarf(Varric)...1 Kossith("Iron Bull"?)...others-???

LI-?

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 02 janvier 2014 - 10:40 .

[Eurypterid]

JuGonzo wrote...

Dwarves always were a secondary race n all fantasy games/books/movies.

You've been reading the wrong books, apparently.

As well, the comments about some dwarf characters not 'looking' like dwarfs... honestly, the stock Tolkien dwarf isn't the only paradigm. Try to broaden your horizons.

[daveliam]

Eurypterid wrote...

You've been reading the wrong books, apparently.

Has anyone else ever read the Dwarves series of books by Markus Heitz?  He's a german author and his series takes place in a world where dwarves play a pretty significant role.  The protagonist, most of his companions, and many of the powerful side characters are dwarves.  It's really engaging and complex, but suffers a bit from translation issues.  The main character has an active romantic life as well, always with dwarven females.  I love it because that's so rare to see in many fantasy books. 

Perhaps its because of books like these (and the Dwarven Nations Trilogy in Dragonlance) that allows me to be more open to dwarf romance.  When not just relegated to comical aggressive drunkard supporting characters, I think dwarves are just as interesting to explore as characters.   Varric is a nice step in that direction because he's much more than just "the dwarf" of the team.  I'm cool with him not being romanceable, so that's not what I'm advocating for.  I would like to see them another step in that direction by introducing a romanceable dwarf at some point.  Again, not a dwarf just to romance, but a well crafted dwarven character whose story would be enhanced by allowing us to explore it by becoming closer to them.  I'd personally prefer a guy dwarf (since I usually play for m/m romances), but it might be more well received if it were a female.  While I, personally, wouldn't romance her with "canon" playthrough, I would definitely create a character specifically to do so if that were to happen.

[Melca36]

Rotward wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

daveliam wrote...
Yeah, he kind of has said that. 

http://social.biowar...3070/1#12427945

The "it has been spoken" part of that post is my resignation to the fact that people on the BSN have decided I have something against dwarf romances, and that's the reason we haven't done one. So it must be true, right? I've elaborated previously, but there's no point in doing it every time if people keep bringing it up. So whatever.

I will re-iterate what's in that post, however, that I'm not about to include a romance plot with a dwarf simply to do so. Nobody has a "right" to a dwarf romance, period the end. I wouldn't mind doing one eventually, but if it happens it'll simply be because we like the character and one of the writers has an idea for how it would work.

Bull****. Plain and simple.

Writers control the characters entirely, from start to finish. For a dwarf romance to exist it has to be written. It's never going to just happen. If your writers are designing dwarves they don't like, you shouldn't have included dwarves to begin with.

You over inflated sense of entitlement is truly impressive.