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[CasbynessPC]

So...

1. Subject Zero trailer launched
2. Significant fanbase backlash, polarisation of haters and lovers.
3. Percentage of Subject Zero supporters who were players with an renegade FemShep looking for a good f/f partner: 80%? 90%?
4. Confirmation that Subject Zero is hetero.
5. Quantity of supporters for Subject Zero: -50%? -75%?

Percentage of evil Femshep players who were planning to focus solely on ensuring themself and Subject Zero survived ME2 as a couple prior to announcement, laughing evilly as most of the other squad mates were murdered horribly: very high!

Percentage of evil Femshep players who are now planning to focus solely on ridding themself of Subject Zero because she will now be more like an annoying rival and constantly remind them of how much more fun Liara was: very high!

Poor Subject Zero. She had the makings of such a fanatical fanbase and it's all now been blown away.

[LucidStrike]

Aww...Want has e-hug?

I'll almost feel guilty for romancing her as a male Paragon.

Modifié par LucidStrike, 20 janvier 2010 - 08:18 .

[The Angry One]

I'm not really that concerned, but alas it's the consequence of BioWare being moral cowards.

[Novacain999]

*chuckles* well ya got me all wrong.



I'm a FemShep player. I am male. Yes, I'm with Liara. No, I wasn't planning on cheating her. I like Subject Zero.I have no plans on having her, or anyone else, killed.



Then again, I'm not an evil player. But yeah, I like SuZu.

[CasbynessPC]

She will bite! NOM!



muahaha. On a related note has anyone else commented that Subject Zero looks a lot like the female shaved head version of Darth Revan that you could pick in KOTOR? I played as that avatar and so when I saw the trialer for Subject Zero I was like "wow, Revan + FemShep, together at last!"



Meh. I still get to use the end of ME2 to murder Garrus, Tali and not-Wrex. Still undecided on Thane. He sounds so pretentious in his video but if the Rule of Cool prevails he *might* be permitted to live.



Heh, planning game murder is fun.

[Iwillforget]

Do! I was hoping to have a three way all female style.

[GnusmasTHX]

Damn recession.

[The Angry One]

Xaeldaren wrote...

Yup, Bioware are complete moral cowards. They've never strayed beyond conventional realms of heterosexual intercourse in any of their games, nor have they ever included difficult ethical conundrums before.

Nope, none at all.

What's worse? To have never done it, or to have done it then backed off into a corner, scared and hoping the mainstream media will forgive your evil ways?

[Naltair]

The Angry One wrote...

I'm not really that concerned, but alas it's the consequence of BioWare being moral cowards.

Because every game is a vehicle for social revolution?

[shinobi602]

I'm confused lol.

[Naltair]

The Angry One wrote...

Xaeldaren wrote...

Yup, Bioware are complete moral cowards. They've never strayed beyond conventional realms of heterosexual intercourse in any of their games, nor have they ever included difficult ethical conundrums before.

Nope, none at all.

What's worse? To have never done it, or to have done it then backed off into a corner, scared and hoping the mainstream media will forgive your evil ways?

Do they have to do it every time?

[The Angry One]

Naltair wrote...

Do they have to do it every time?

Why not?

[CasbynessPC]

Xaeldaren wrote...

Yup, Bioware are complete moral cowards. They've never strayed beyond conventional realms of heterosexual intercourse in any of their games, nor have they ever included difficult ethical conundrums before.

Nope, none at all.

I think they meant EA, not Bioware.

Remember those joke screencaps of ME2 long ago, with EA putting in in-game advertising? People will be making more of those, but this time with EA enforcing heterosexuality.

Oh well. Maybe it's possible to turn Samara to the dark side. Also, how hard can it seriously be for someone later down the line to mod the game so that the entire Subject Zero romance is possible for Femshep? Surely it's all just a matter of programming flags.

i.e.

Computer: check flattery level - greater than 10? YES
                    check gender - male? YES
                    = run Subject Zero romance path

Corrupt the second flag, play a little with the romance cut scenes and voila, f/f romance.

I dunno, maybe someone's already tried this with DA:O.

Modifié par CasbynessPC, 20 janvier 2010 - 08:33 .

[LucidStrike]

Xaeldaren wrote...

Yup, Bioware are complete moral cowards. They've never strayed beyond conventional realms of heterosexual intercourse in any of their games, nor have they ever included difficult ethical conundrums before.

Nope, none at all.

I think these concerns deserve more than dismissive sarcastic remarks. Yes, BioWare has done better. Be that as it may, the fact is that they are still capable of backtracking, as judged by queer gamers who would be the most qualified judges,  if not for cowardice than for their own prejudice. By prejudice, I mean just that, not necessarily bigotry.

For all the attention they have indeed given to queer relationships, It's disturbing that they treat queer relationships as sort of an afterthought. I mean "Didn't have enough time"? I really doubt that would ever happen with heterosexuals.

As far as I know, while I'm at it, every potential romance has been open to heterosexual relationships. Everyone's always either bisexual/pansexual/what have you or heterosexual, never only interested in homosexual relationships. Just an observation.

Modifié par LucidStrike, 20 janvier 2010 - 08:36 .

[The Angry One]

Xaeldaren wrote...

Burden of proof, Angry One. Why not? is a cowardly and vapid response that has no weight.

Burden of proof on what? That BioWare are moral cowards?
I'm sure you have a better reason as to why up till now there have been gay and lesbian options and now suddenly we have 6 hetero romances.

[Naltair]

The Angry One wrote...

Naltair wrote...

Do they have to do it every time?

Why not?

As an aside that was the poster's own fault for assuming Subject Zero was/is bisexual.  Not every movie, show, episode, or other medium needs to cater to every group if they so choose.  It's not discriminatory if they don't it's not like they are being bigoted, they just decided that this was not a direction they anted to take the story in.

But they have taken it in that direction before, but they are not beholden to do it every time.

[Daerog]

I think SuZe is awesome, one of the best so far from what I've seen. Just character wise that is. I don't play Femshep usually, though I do have a playthrough with FemShep, but it wasn't renegade.



SuZe > rest (minus Wrex, he's too cool to compare to anybody), but I do like them all.

[The Angry One]

Naltair wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Naltair wrote...

Do they have to do it every time?

Why not?

As an aside that was the poster's own fault for assuming Subject Zero was/is bisexual.  Not every movie, show, episode, or other medium needs to cater to every group if they so choose.  It's not discriminatory if they don't it's not like they are being bigoted, they just decided that this was not a direction they anted to take the story in.

But they have taken it in that direction before, but they are not beholden to do it every time.

I'm sorry but 6 entire hetero romances crosses the line from not catering to "we're rubbing it in your face!"

[Naltair]

LucidStrike wrote...

Xaeldaren wrote...

Yup, Bioware are complete moral cowards. They've never strayed beyond conventional realms of heterosexual intercourse in any of their games, nor have they ever included difficult ethical conundrums before.

Nope, none at all.

I think these concerns deserve more than dismissive sarcastic remarks. Yes, BioWare has done better. Be that as it may, the fact is that they are still capable of backtracking, as judged by queer gamers who would be the most qualified judges,  if not for cowardice than for their own prejudice. By prejudice, I mean just that, not necessarily bigotry.

It's disturbing that they treat queer relationships as sort of an afterthought. I mean "Didn't have enough time"? I really doubt that would ever happen with heterosexuals.

Because I am sorry to say it but heterosexual relationships are the norm.

If you guys want edgy, make a game and have it all have homosexual relationships.  Then come back when you have sold millions, I presume because it has a ripping story, a ripping cast, and awesome graphics. 

I am not trying to be the bearer of bad news here, but perhaps for this particular story they decided not to go that route.  But they will create other games and other settings where there will be such couplings.

[Marlina]

Hah, joke's on you! I never intended to let her live, much less romance her anyway! First possible opportunity, she's going out the airlock. I think Miranda might be going lesbo on me, since I'll inadvertently support her in all her quarrels with SuZe. That being said, Miranda sounds like a pretentious **** too, so I guess she'll join SuZe in the airlock chamber real soon.

Actually, I think both sounds like rather fun characters. Can't wait to belittle both of them as my borderline-fascist renegade FemShep. I AM THE LAW! I AM *ABOVE* THE LAW! She's like a female Judge Dredd in space.

Hmm, I'll mostly go for the "GET IN LINE, OR IT'S THE AIRLOCK" alternative. I'm the captain of this ship, and I decide how we deal with things. Miranda actually has a better attitude than I expected, according to one of the recent vids. It shows Miranda telling SuZe that "on this ship, we follow orders." THAT'S MY SECOND IN COMMAND, RIGHT THERE!

I guess we'll see how they turn out.

[The Angry One]

Xaeldaren wrote...

*sigh* You are required to state why they have to cater for every single romantic demand in every single one of their games, simply because you say they have to. You cannot simply say 'why not'. Burden of proof. Google is your friend.

I'm bisexual by the way, so it's not as if I'm a bigot who's trying to hurr durr keep the homos down. Please, don't be one of those frothing, militant people who give the rest of us a bad name by trying to shove LGBT values down everyone's throats.

Who the hell is shoving? Excuse me for expecting homosexuality and bisexuality to be treated as *gasp* normal.
This is 2010, not 1910.