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[StepShep]

Stop feeling so entitled for everything to everything and with everything. If ME2 had absolutely no straight moments and was all about homosexuality in the romance department, I wouldn't be mad, I wouldn't spam forums with thousands of MOAR STR8 ROMANCES PLOX, and I certainly wouldn't feel entitled to anything. I wouldn't buy the game and I'd move on with my life. Is that because I don't like Mass Effect or didn't care about it? No. It simply means that i would let the Homosexual group have it's game, and hope for better luck next time. It IS 2010, but that doesn't mean Homosexuality should now be incorporated into everything just like that and become a norm even though it's not. I seriously would be mad if I was a minority like yourself, but I would just move on and find happiness instead of spreading argument and move on. And all of this doesn't mean I'm a bigot or that I don't think that homosexual people deserve things, it's just that being homosexual doesn't entitle people to automatically have their way even though they are only a small population of the overall picture. Good Luck with you're posts and thank you for letting me share my opinion. I'm done.

[Naltair]

I like playing games that I can create my own character, but considering most protagonists are Caucasian to begin with, I have no problem with that. From Mario, to Mitsurugi, to even say like that Assassin's Creed II lead, Ezio. I mean look at Japanese RPGs you can hardly call those leads Japanese they are very much usually "Caucasian" in the conventional sense.



But I play BioWare games because I can create a character that looks more like me. I am not too terribly worried about sexual orientation I find the romances as a sweetener to a pot but the bulk of the flavor comes from the story not who I can boink.



So considering your question, I would not have an issue with it because that is the current state of the industry by a large margin.

[Willowhugger]

I *WILL* question why one of the female options wouldn't be gay if it turns out there isn't one.



As for Subject Zero not being a gay option.



I don't see why she should be any more than Miranda.

[Stounga]

The Angry One wrote...

Xaeldaren wrote...

*sigh* You are required to state why they have to cater for every single romantic demand in every single one of their games, simply because you say they have to. You cannot simply say 'why not'. Burden of proof. Google is your friend.

I'm bisexual by the way, so it's not as if I'm a bigot who's trying to hurr durr keep the homos down. Please, don't be one of those frothing, militant people who give the rest of us a bad name by trying to shove LGBT values down everyone's throats.

Who the hell is shoving? Excuse me for expecting homosexuality and bisexuality to be treated as *gasp* normal.
This is 2010, not 1910.

God, your just as bad as the atheists who claim that religion is blind zealotry and parade your opinions around as such it could be considered the same thing. First of all Dragon Age had elf-man love so don't be mad at bioware. If you had a little tact in your opinions and tried to incite a discussion instead of a hate parade maybe I would care. Why is it also that people want Subject Zero to be the female conquest when if she were because shes effectively a tom-boy and that would basically cascade to the stereotype that Lesbian women are "butch." You would be the first one complaining too I bet.

Personally I think Subject Zero is a great character.

Stop asking too much of a game please.

(Straight and Agnostic btw)

Modifié par Stounga, 20 janvier 2010 - 09:35 .

[LucidStrike]

Female Shepherd is female, anatomically. Asari are female, anatomically. Asari, more or less, present themselves and identify as "female", in terms of gender, if only to put it in terms familiar to us. Casey saying there were no F/F relationships in ME1 was just splitting hairs. Semantics and strange, anomalous technicalities.

[Subject One]

Subject Zero reminds me of Lizbeth Salander from Millennium trilogy novels/ films...

Redeemable crazy tough girl with violent past...

www.nehemoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/The-Girl-Who-Played-with-Fire.jpg

... and with tattoos too...

www.adn.es/clipping/ADNIMA20091022_2444/4.jpg

I don't know if the character is so popular in USA as is in Europe, but I see that SuZe has a similar profile, minus Salander bisexuality (shame on you Bioware ).

[CasbynessPC]

Whatever happens with this game (i.e. Samara romanceable?) I am hoping that the volume of heated discussion about the issue will allow some Bioware developer to walk up to an EA producer and say "see? I tolds ya so!".



This is all about planning for Liara...muahaha



Oh, and Ye Olde Republic.

[TheAnima]

screwoffreg wrote...

lol some wishful thinking in this thread. Tali is NOT a confirmed romance last I saw, though I imagine both male and female players would like that. As for F/F romances being out, that is confirmed. That all but confirms that M/M will NEVER be a possibility. If the reasons for removing them were society/politics related, the fact is that however odd it is people are more comfortable (on a sliding scale) with two women than they ever will be with two men.

You saw wrong.

[LucidStrike]

Stounga wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Xaeldaren wrote...

*sigh* You are required to state why they have to cater for every single romantic demand in every single one of their games, simply because you say they have to. You cannot simply say 'why not'. Burden of proof. Google is your friend.

I'm bisexual by the way, so it's not as if I'm a bigot who's trying to hurr durr keep the homos down. Please, don't be one of those frothing, militant people who give the rest of us a bad name by trying to shove LGBT values down everyone's throats.

Who the hell is shoving? Excuse me for expecting homosexuality and bisexuality to be treated as *gasp* normal.
This is 2010, not 1910.

God, your just as bad as the atheists who claim that religion is blind zealotry and parade your opinions around as such it could be considered the same thing. First of all Dragon Age had elf-man love so don't be mad at bioware. If you had a little tact in your opinions and tried to incite a discussion instead of a hate parade maybe I would care. Why is it also that people want Subject Zero to be the female conquest when if she were because shes effectively a tom-boy and that would basically cascade to the stereotype that Lesbian women are "butch." You would be the first one complaining too I bet.

Personally I think Subject Zero is a great character.

Stop asking too much of a game please.

(Straight and Agnostic btw)

Regardless of whether your point was valid (I don't think it was
entirely), it wasn't tactfully presented at all and was lost for it.

Heterosexual and Agnostic BTW.

[Nashkital]

Might I ask what the argument is about? Is it the lack of a F/F romance option? Or is it about Suze?

[Stounga]

Nashkital wrote...

Might I ask what the argument is about? Is it the lack of a F/F romance option? Or is it about Suze?

I wasn't entirely sure myself just that posted rubbed me the wrong way. :/ The title name is incredibly deceiving.

[Returnpolicy]

As a straight male I play a femshep - I find it sexier, less cliched and more fun. It's not a gay/straight subject of contention it's about choices. Ideally every potential love interest would be open to both sexes if you push the right buttons - since ME is a single player game the gamer's sexual orientation would determine the potential love interests' sexual orientation.

Casey/interviews have stated that ME and ME2 particularly is about relationships. I'm pretty sure that many if the not the majority of the "I'm a guy so I play a Maleshep - if you want to romance so-and-so just play another Shepard", "Bioware decides what happens", "all LIs being bisexual takes away from immersion", ad-nauseum players would have a fit if they were faced with limited or no choices.

It's not about deviant/not-deviant, it's about individual choices. If we want an immutable scripted story which conforms purely to its creator's intentions there's no need to buy an interactive game - a movie will do just as well. At the very least there should be at least 1 same sex romance for each gender (my opinion but one which I suspect is shared by at least 25% of straight male gamers - don't know about female ones) .

Modifié par Returnpolicy, 20 janvier 2010 - 09:46 .

[Naltair]

Nashkital wrote...

Might I ask what the argument is about? Is it the lack of a F/F romance option? Or is it about Suze?

The original post was misleading and essentially a whine that Subject Zero is not gay, because she looked gay.  Therefore they will kill her.

[Nozybidaj]

Returnpolicy wrote...

As a straight male I play a femshep - I find it sexier, less cliched and more fun. It's not a gay/straight subject of contention it's about choices. Ideally every potential love interest would be open to both sexes if you push the right buttons - since ME is a single player game the gamer's sexual orientation would determine the potential love interests' sexual orientation.

Casey/interviews have stated that ME and ME2 particularly is about relationships. I'm pretty sure that many if the not the majority of the "I'm a guy so I play a Maleshep - if you want to romance so-and-so just play another Shepard", "Bioware decides what happens", "all LIs being bisexual takes away from immersion", ad-nauseum players would have a fit if they were faced with limited or no choices.

It's not about deviant/not-deviant, it's about individual choices. If we want an immutable scripted story which conforms purely to its creator's intentions there's no need to buy an interactive game - a movie will do just as well. At the very least there should be at least 1 same sex romance for each gender (my opinion but one which I suspect is shared by at least 25% of straight male gamers - don't know about female ones) .

Nicely said....

[CasbynessPC]

Naltair wrote...

Nashkital wrote...

Might I ask what the argument is about? Is it the lack of a F/F romance option? Or is it about Suze?

The original post was misleading and essentially a whine that Subject Zero is not gay, because she looked gay.  Therefore they will kill her.

No no no.

The original post was misleading and essentially a hissy fit that Subject Zero is not gay and ebil, because she looked gay and ebil. Therefore they will kill her and everyone else who is not gay and ebil.

Modifié par CasbynessPC, 20 janvier 2010 - 09:52 .

[vhatever]

Another gay pusher thread?

One more and I'm breaking the internet tubes.

[CasbynessPC]

If they really wanted to annoy a lot of people they could have made Garrus the M/M and Tali the F/F.



Of course, this would have also made two smaller groups of people very very happy.

[CasbynessPC]

Anyway, I think we're almost at the maximum drama limit so to push it right to the top I shall approve this message:

http://img64.imagesh...7/forgetter.jpg

Modifié par CasbynessPC, 20 janvier 2010 - 09:58 .

[Naltair]

CasbynessPC wrote...

Anyway, I think we're almost at the maximum drama limit so to push it right to the top I shall approve this message:

http://img64.imagesh...7/forgetter.jpg

If only I could forget.

[Maria Caliban]

screwoffreg wrote...

Tali is NOT a confirmed romance last I saw

You need to look again. Oh wait, you can't see deleted threads, can you?

As for F/F romances being out, that is confirmed.

No, it wasn't. In fact, the asari/FemShep romance is being heavily implied while the sex and romance vids show Samara pimp walking while music plays.

[TheAnima]

CasbynessPC wrote...

If they really wanted to annoy a lot of people they could have made Garrus the M/M and Tali the F/F.

Of course, this would have also made two smaller groups of people very very happy.

Lesbian Tali forever!

[Chained_Creator]

Naltair wrote...

CasbynessPC wrote...

Anyway, I think we're almost at the maximum drama limit so to push it right to the top I shall approve this message:

http://img64.imagesh...7/forgetter.jpg

If only I could forget.

I didn't have many problems with the Mako. Slow, steady, and willingness to gape in slack-jawed awe as my vehicle scaled an 85 degree angle climb was pretty much what kept me going.

My thought process for most of the exploration was "This is not possible. This is not possible. I want to do this in real life."

Modifié par Chained_Creator, 20 janvier 2010 - 10:03 .

[TheAnima]

Chained_Creator wrote...

Naltair wrote...

CasbynessPC wrote...

Anyway, I think we're almost at the maximum drama limit so to push it right to the top I shall approve this message:

http://img64.imagesh...7/forgetter.jpg

If only I could forget.

I didn't have many problems with the Mako. Slow, steady, and willingness to gape in slack-jawed awe as my vehicle scaled an 85 degree angle climb was pretty much what kept me going.

My thought process for most of the exploration was "This is not possible. This is not possible. I want to do this in real life."

I edited your post. The mako WAS NOT STEADY, it bounced around like a three year old on pixi stix and crack cocaine

[Dzikv]

CasbynessPC wrote...

So...

1. Subject Zero trailer launched
2. Significant fanbase backlash, polarisation of haters and lovers.
3. Percentage of Subject Zero supporters who were players with an renegade FemShep looking for a good f/f partner: 80%? 90%?
4. Confirmation that Subject Zero is hetero.
5. Quantity of supporters for Subject Zero: -50%? -75%?

Percentage of evil Femshep players who were planning to focus solely on ensuring themself and Subject Zero survived ME2 as a couple prior to announcement, laughing evilly as most of the other squad mates were murdered horribly: very high!

Percentage of evil Femshep players who are now planning to focus solely on ridding themself of Subject Zero because she will now be more like an annoying rival and constantly remind them of how much more fun Liara was: very high!

Poor Subject Zero. She had the makings of such a fanatical fanbase and it's all now been blown away.

I'm right there with you on this subject. BOOM! Headshot! For for Suze. Why? Because hey, F**K you

[Chained_Creator]

TheAnima wrote...

Chained_Creator wrote...

Naltair wrote...

CasbynessPC wrote...

Anyway, I think we're almost at the maximum drama limit so to push it right to the top I shall approve this message:

http://img64.imagesh...7/forgetter.jpg

If only I could forget.

I didn't have many problems with the Mako. Slow, steady, and willingness to gape in slack-jawed awe as my vehicle scaled an 85 degree angle climb was pretty much what kept me going.

My thought process for most of the exploration was "This is not possible. This is not possible. I want to do this in real life."

I edited your post. The mako WAS NOT STEADY, it bounced around like a three year old on pixi stix and crack cocaine

I was talking about my attitude toward the Mako, not the Mako itself.