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[The Elder King]

@andy69156915: Plently of people didn't call Javik Prothy. A lot of them simply called him Prothean.
As for DAI, I woud expect them to be called Tal-Vashoth or Vashoth. Those are the terms used to indicate them in-game.
If you are referring to elf, human and dwarf converts, though, there is an actual term to indicate them: Viddathari. 
As for Bioware not wanting to reveal the name of the race, the name might not even exist, or there might be a reason to not revealing it.

Modifié par hhh89, 22 décembre 2013 - 02:05 .

[andy6915]

Well I gave an alternative in my last post, nicknaming Qunari who aren't of the Qunari race. Viddathari works. Or we could make a word up. Basari? Qunbas? That way you guys don't have to call Qunari anything different but we can still talk about Qunari who aren't of the race without needless complication. Does that work for you and everyone else?

[The Elder King]

andy69156915 wrote...

Well I gave an alternative in my last post, nicknaming Qunari who aren't of the Qunari race. Viddathari works. Or we could make a word up. Basari? Qunbas? That way you guys don't have to call Qunari anything different but we can still talk about Qunari who aren't of the race without needless complication. Does that work for you and everyone else?

Viddathari works. 

Modifié par hhh89, 22 décembre 2013 - 02:06 .

[andy6915]

hhh89 wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

Well I gave an alternative in my last post, nicknaming Qunari who aren't of the Qunari race. Viddathari works. Or we could make a word up. Basari? Qunbas? That way you guys don't have to call Qunari anything different but we can still talk about Qunari who aren't of the race without needless complication. Does that work for you and everyone else?

Viddhatari works. 

Viddhatari? Was that a typo or the made up word you want to use? Becuase it's viddathari, not viddhatari. Anyway, now I just need to post enough to get the whole forum to follow suit so that this damn word confusion is nipped in the bud before it's gets bad when DAI comes out.

[The Elder King]

It's a typo.

[andy6915]

hhh89 wrote...

It's a typo.

Kay. Thought I have to admit, If I make a character who becomes a viddathari and I end up getting that epic hat from the screenshots that recently came out... I am so calling myself a viddhatari. That hat demands a word change.

[The Elder King]

andy69156915 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

It's a typo.

Kay. Thought I have to admit, If I make a character who becomes a viddathari and I end up getting that epic hat from the screenshots that recently came out... I am so calling myself a viddhatari. That hat demands a word change.

I don't think there are high chances of the Inquisitor becoming a viddathari, though. And the Qun isn't supposed to have a big role in DAI.

[andy6915]

hhh89 wrote...

I don't think there are high chances of the Inquisitor becoming a viddathari, though. And the Qun isn't supposed to have a big role in DAI.

I don't think so either, but you never know. You could become one of the crazy cultists of Andraste in DAO for instance. It wouldn't surprise me if it did become an option though... Although like I said in another thread, if you take that choice as a mage then the game should give you a non-standard gameover because the next scene has your character's tongue getting cut out and their mouth sewed shut and a control collar getting put on them and the gameover screen text should say something like "you know what Qunari do to mages, what did you think was going to happen?".

And Qunari aren't meant to have a big role? They certainly got an overtly significant part in the trailer then if they don't have a big role.

Modifié par andy69156915, 22 décembre 2013 - 02:24 .

[The Elder King]

If the survey leak is true, that character is a Tal-Vashoth/Vashoth, not a member of the Qun.

[andy6915]

hhh89 wrote...

If the survey leak is true, that character is a Tal-Vashoth/Vashoth, not a member of the Qun.

Didn't Bioware say that pretty much everything from that survey's data has been changed by this point? Then again, they could just be lying so we don't realize we're still spoiled about plot details...

[Afro_Explosion]

andy69156915 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

If the survey leak is true, that character is a Tal-Vashoth/Vashoth, not a member of the Qun.

Didn't Bioware say that pretty much everything from that survey's data has been changed by this point? Then again, they could just be lying so we don't realize we're still spoiled about plot details...

That Tal-Vashoth Iron Bull features in screenshots and concept art so he will most likely appear in some form.

[The Elder King]

andy69156915 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

If the survey leak is true, that character is a Tal-Vashoth/Vashoth, not a member of the Qun.

Didn't Bioware say that pretty much everything from that survey's data has been changed by this point? Then again, they could just be lying so we don't realize we're still spoiled about plot details...

They stated that the info in the leak could've been changed, but a lot of the things mentioned there were true. And the character in the leak was called Iron Bull, and Matt Rhodes, DAI lead concept artist, posted a concept of the character with the name 'Iron Bull'. Even if something changed, the fact that the character's name is Iron Bull likely means that he's not a member of the Qun.

[andy6915]

hhh89 wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

If the survey leak is true, that character is a Tal-Vashoth/Vashoth, not a member of the Qun.

Didn't Bioware say that pretty much everything from that survey's data has been changed by this point? Then again, they could just be lying so we don't realize we're still spoiled about plot details...

They stated that the info in the leak could've been changed, but a lot of the things mentioned there were true. And the character in the leak was called Iron Bull, and Matt Rhodes, DAI lead concept artist, posted a concept of the character with the name 'Iron Bull'. Even if something changed, the fact that the character's name is Iron Bull likely means that he's not a member of the Qun.

I'm hoping that Iron Bull is still a companion. I plan on playing a female Qunari (our compromise has made me stop fighting for the Kossith word), and I like keeping races together. Maybe that's slightly racist somehow, but I always ever romance Zevran as an elf or my human characters with other humans. So another Qunari would be perfect for her.

And yeah, I don't think Iron Bull is a Qunari role... Probably. Who knows with Qunari, they're weirdos.

Modifié par andy69156915, 22 décembre 2013 - 02:48 .

[The Elder King]

I hope he is too. Though if he is just a companion, I don't get why Bioware wouldn't already confirmed it, considering that he appeared in both the reveal trailer and the GI coverage.

Modifié par hhh89, 22 décembre 2013 - 02:56 .

[Ziegrif]

I wonder how the Qunari party.
Sten said that there are even executions after the parties.
''Totally worth it'' would be some great final words for a Qunari being executed for partying too hard.

[Spectre slayer]

MasterScribe wrote...

karushna5 wrote...

the devs said mages and non mages will have different backgrounds due to their different nature.

They did? Where? When?

Really? That's news to me. Not saying you're lying or anything. Just excited about this new information.

It's not really new news, it was stated in the playable race podcast from nerd appropriate around the 38 minute mark that we will be dalish mage and that mages themselves will have distinct backgrounds that diverge a lot more than the others.

Edit

Was in the crafting and customization one aswell, don't remember where atm.

Op we will not be playing as a bound Qunari mage like Keotjian.


The Qunari have no modern term for their race, the term Kossith is not a racial identifier since it was the name of the culture before the conversion to the Qun and was confirmed many times by both Kirby and Gaider.

The racial identifier that the devs use, the people of thedas, the Qunari, ones who never were part of the Qun is Qunari according to the devs and that last part was confirmed by Gaider. 


This isn't complicated at all, Qunari refers to anyone who follows the Qun and is the race, religion and culture for them. There are no distinctions between race and religion according to Gaider and they do not think it's necessary to give such a distinction or a separate racial identifier.


They have terms and ranks for them and the people who follow the Qun that aren't big things with and without horns and the ones who don't follow or break the Qun.

Kabethari the term for anyone who just joined the Qun or was conquered but haven't submitted to the Qun.

Viddathari are those who have fully submitted to the Qun

Vashoth the giants with or without horns who break the Qun and are non violent 

Tal'Vashoth the giants with or without horns that are violent and are probably former soldiers of the Qunari 

They stated that the info in the leak could've been changed, but a lot of the things mentioned there were true. And the character in the leak was called Iron Bull, and Matt Rhodes, DAI lead concept artist, posted a concept of the character with the name 'Iron Bull'. Even if something changed, the fact that the character's name is Iron Bull likely means that he's not a member of the Qun

I don't think so, what they said was that most of the things like characters have either been scrapped, changed significantly or weren't companions at all, people counting on everything in the leak still being true even though none of it was confirmed is a little odd.


Though I do hope the Iron Bull is a companion but if not then he'll probably be an agent or something. 

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 23 décembre 2013 - 12:15 .

[Bullets McDeath]

Ok, that's great. It's not as if people can't grasp that Qunari means both the race and the religion. Some of us just want a word to use that refers to just the race. We don't HAVE to speak on the boards as if we were actually in Thedas, just because there's no in-game term doesn't mean there can't be one out of the game. No one is saying you have to use it. Actually, it's all the "anti-Kossith" people in this thread going around telling people what they can and cannot refer to things as.

All I can say is: look into Xanax. It's a hell of a drug.

It reminds me of Chris Priestly's idiotic whole "lol u gais don't call it Mass Effect 4 cause that's really not what it is" but then still giving us nothing else to call it. People are naturally going to call the untitled next game set in the Mass Effect Universe "ME4" because everyone knows what you mean and "ME4" is alot easier to use in discussion than "the untitled next game set in the Mass Effect Universe".

Some people use Kossith (yes, perhaps inaccurately if you really want to cuddle with the lore) because it's any easy way to distinguish you are talking about the species and not the religion.

Modifié par outlaworacle, 22 décembre 2013 - 04:15 .

[andy6915]

outlaworacle wrote...

Ok, that's great. It's not as if people can't grasp that Qunari means both the race and the religion. Some of us just want a word to use that refers to just the race. We don't HAVE to speak on the boards as if we were actually in Thedas, just because there's no in-game term doesn't mean there can't be one out of the game. No one is saying you have to use it. Actually, it's all the "anti-Kossith" people in this thread going around telling people what they can and cannot refer to things as.

All I can say is: look into Xanax. It's a hell of a drug.

It reminds me of Chris Priestly's idiotic whole "lol u gais don't call it Mass Effect 4 cause that's really not what it is" but then still giving us nothing else to call it. People are naturally going to call the untitled next game set in the Mass Effect Universe "ME4" because everyone knows what you mean and "ME4" is alot easier to use in discussion than "the untitled next game set in the Mass Effect Universe".

Some people use Kossith (yes, perhaps inaccurately if you really want to cuddle with the lore) because it's any easy way to distinguish you are talking about the species and not the religion.

At least it's resolved now. They can keep calling them Qunari, but now we have a word for Qunari of other races that aren't the main Qunari race. Viddathari, spread the word around and get the fanbase using that word for those that are Qunari but not "kossith".

[karushna5]

@spectrescribe

thanks, I was looking everywhere for that, I was starting to think I imagined it.

[Jonathan Seagull]

outlaworacle wrote...

(snip)
No one is saying you have to use it. Actually, it's all the "anti-Kossith" people in this thread going around telling people what they can and cannot refer to things as.

I beg to differ.

So call Qunari the race Kossith or some other word, or call non-Qunari Qunari something like Viddathari.

That way you guys don't have to call Qunari anything different but we can still talk about Qunari who aren't of the race without needless complication. Does that work for you and everyone else?

Anyway, now I just need to post enough to get the whole forum to follow suit so that this damn word confusion is nipped in the bud before it's gets bad when DAI comes out.

Viddathari, spread the word around and get the fanbase using that word for those that are Qunari but not "kossith".

Note: Viddathari is a perfectly fine identifier for Qunari of other races. Or dwarven Qunari, etc., if further clarification is required, and you aren't averse to adjectives. But please do not insist that everyone else needs to "follow suit" or that others are being deliberately unclear in order to make things complicated and frustrating for you.

Modifié par Jonathan Seagull, 22 décembre 2013 - 08:27 .

[ElementalFury106]

andy69156915 wrote...

ElementalFury106 wrote...

It'll probably be one of those plot holes that's never really answered and practically ignored. Such as why wasn't a mage Hawke locked in the gallows when the whole city found out he was an Apostate.

That's not a plot hole. Hawke just saved the city, but more importantly just saved the pathetic ass of every single rich and powerful noble in the city. To arrest Hawke after something like that would be political suicide for Meredith and the Templars, and they knew it. Like everyone in the game kept saying, get rich and powerful and influential enough and the Templars won't be able to touch you. Now if Hawke had been found out before that point... Then yeah, gameover.

Uh no. Hawke is no exception to the Divine rule of the chantry. Even if it would be political suicide. Then what of anders and Merrill? They were also discovered. Also Hawke was discovered by Cullen in act 1, what're you gonna say about that?

[Angrywolves]

Problems if you have to go to Tevinter ?

[Bullets McDeath]

Jonathan Seagull wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

(snip)
No one is saying you have to use it. Actually, it's all the "anti-Kossith" people in this thread going around telling people what they can and cannot refer to things as.

I beg to differ.

So call Qunari the race Kossith or some other word, or call non-Qunari Qunari something like Viddathari.

That way you guys don't have to call Qunari anything different but we can still talk about Qunari who aren't of the race without needless complication. Does that work for you and everyone else?

Anyway, now I just need to post enough to get the whole forum to follow suit so that this damn word confusion is nipped in the bud before it's gets bad when DAI comes out.

Viddathari, spread the word around and get the fanbase using that word for those that are Qunari but not "kossith".

Note: Viddathari is a perfectly fine identifier for Qunari of other races. Or dwarven Qunari, etc., if further clarification is required, and you aren't averse to adjectives. But please do not insist that everyone else needs to "follow suit" or that others are being deliberately unclear in order to make things complicated and frustrating for you.

I'm not insisting you do anything. Again, you and the others on your side of the argument are the ones insisting on certain terms being used or not being used. All I said what was we need a distinguishing word and the one I knew was Kossith, it's you lorehumping nerd-o-trons that keep insisiting on telling other people what they can and can't say.

I know it must be annoying to have to come here in the middle of your Klingon language studies, but seriously, come off it.

How about I call them what I want and you call them what you want, and we can all move on to more important issues like dual-wielding.

Modifié par outlaworacle, 23 décembre 2013 - 04:03 .

[Afro_Explosion]

Viddathari sounds cooler than kossith I should spread the word on it.

Modifié par mx_keep13, 23 décembre 2013 - 04:06 .

[Jonathan Seagull]

Outlaworacle, I have a better idea. How about if you can't post without insults and namecalling, you think better of it altogether?

Also, please remember that you are posting on an internet forum dedicated to (civil) discussion of a roleplaying game. Responding to an argument with the equivalent of "Why don't you go home, watch Star Trek, Urkel" does not make you look better than the other posters here. FYI.

Modifié par Jonathan Seagull, 23 décembre 2013 - 06:49 .