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[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

Any demon can just be expelled with the litany of Adralla. What is it you think a "greater" pride demon is going to do? Just pop out and instantly destroy the world?

The Litany doesn't expel demons; it simply cancels the effects of blood magic.  That's why it worked on Cole.  Even if that weren't true, there's no reason why an especially powerful demon couldn't be stronger than the Litany.

And even then, the Litany only cancels one aspect of blood magic - mind control.

[Silfren]

eluvianix wrote...

Silfren wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

Any demon can just be expelled with the litany of Adralla. What is it you think a "greater" pride demon is going to do? Just pop out and instantly destroy the world?

The Litany doesn't expel demons; it simply cancels the effects of blood magic.  That's why it worked on Cole.  Even if that weren't true, there's no reason why an especially powerful demon couldn't be stronger than the Litany.

And even then, the Litany only cancels one aspect of blood magic - mind control.

I had to look that up; I thought the codex indicated that the Litany dispelled all effects of blood magic, but you're right, it's only said to cancel mind control.  Huh.  Also noteworthy is that it only works while the spell is being cast; once the casting is done, it's too late.

That seems to contradict Asunder, unless it could somehow be said that Cole was constantly casting his spell, which doesn't really make sense. 

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...
That seems to contradict Asunder, unless it could somehow be said that Cole was constantly casting his spell, which doesn't really make sense. 

As I have the book pulled up in front of me, "In the last vestiges of the light from the templar lamps, he could see Cole’s eyes clamped shut. The man was concentrating hard, a trail of blood seeping out of his nose."
Cole seems to actively need to keep his blood magic concealment working, and it appears to be a spell that dulls the senses/manipulates the minds of others. Hence, the Litany probably disrupted his continuous casting, revealing both Rhys and Cole to Lambert.

Modifié par eluvianix, 22 décembre 2013 - 07:03 .

[Cimeas]

It's important to differentiate between what one low level writer wrote in a random codex entry and what Laidlaw & Co. consider a cool, marketable villain.

A bigger version of one of the demons we already fought probably won't cut it.

[Hellion Rex]

Cimeas wrote...

It's important to differentiate between what one low level writer wrote in a random codex entry and what Laidlaw & Co. consider a cool, marketable villain.

A bigger version of one of the demons we already fought probably won't cut it.

That's true. And I don't think a change in size is what a greater pride demon would represent. If one were ever to appear, I would think that it has already materialized or entered into the mortal realm, and has been subtly manipulating events from behind the scenes, for a while now.

[Silfren]

eluvianix wrote...

Cimeas wrote...

It's important to differentiate between what one low level writer wrote in a random codex entry and what Laidlaw & Co. consider a cool, marketable villain.

A bigger version of one of the demons we already fought probably won't cut it.

That's true. And I don't think a change in size is what a greater pride demon would represent. If one were ever to appear, I would think that it has already materialized or entered into the mortal realm, and has been subtly manipulating events from behind the scenes, for a while now.

I still think that the Pride Demon from the mage origin was meant for something greater.

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Cimeas wrote...

It's important to differentiate between what one low level writer wrote in a random codex entry and what Laidlaw & Co. consider a cool, marketable villain.

A bigger version of one of the demons we already fought probably won't cut it.

That's true. And I don't think a change in size is what a greater pride demon would represent. If one were ever to appear, I would think that it has already materialized or entered into the mortal realm, and has been subtly manipulating events from behind the scenes, for a while now.

I still think that the Pride Demon from the mage origin was meant for something greater.

I loved Mouse's dialogue. Also, it would not surprise me if he was some unique creature of pride.

[DRTJR]

Silfren wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Cimeas wrote...

It's important to differentiate between what one low level writer wrote in a random codex entry and what Laidlaw & Co. consider a cool, marketable villain.

A bigger version of one of the demons we already fought probably won't cut it.

That's true. And I don't think a change in size is what a greater pride demon would represent. If one were ever to appear, I would think that it has already materialized or entered into the mortal realm, and has been subtly manipulating events from behind the scenes, for a while now.

I still think that the Pride Demon from the mage origin was meant for something greater.

I doubt Mouse will be the Villain of anything ever.

[myahele]

Its possible.

In the dawn of the seeker movie the blood mage ended up becoming possesed by a pride demon. Ghis same mage kidnap a girl that can control dragons,almost assinated the devine and woulve messed up the world.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Hope there is a greater pride demon so I can merge with it. Only a greater pride demon would be powerful enough worthy to share my body as a vessel!

Andy: Great read, enjoyed your theorycrafting alot

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Oh and a question... what if the greater pride demon got hold of the divine? She would be extremely vulnerable to a fade demon, especially a greater pride demon - posing as the maker. She would probably think it to be the maker, showing itself as a miracle. And thus, in her pride thinking she was worthy of the makers gaze - be taken.

Then again Im not sure how possession works on non-mages

Id guess with the intellect of a greater pride, possessing a non-magic user would be more subtle and genious. But I dunno.

Atleast imo, the divine = Greater pride demon would be awesome.

[wowness8787]

Am I the only one who thought of DMC once they heard this theory?

[Vit246]

Demons feel too much like throw-away mooks.

[Angrywolves]

so the OP is a demon lover.But that's not the best thing for the game imo.

Modifié par Angrywolves, 22 décembre 2013 - 10:40 .

[andy6915]

I'm not a "demon lover", hell I kill demons at every chance I get in this series. I just like the lore and see that massive fade tears all over the place and the veil getting weaker and weaker might just lead to something extraordinarily bad showing up. Like I said, the maker theory was just kind of thrown out there and my theory about the big bad guy of DA4 being a greater pride demon was my main point. You really expect the tears and veil weakening isn't leading up to something? There's even foreshadowing about some "someone rising and the world becoming magical again. Seriously, look at Sandal's quote, and think the "he" is a greater pride demon and keep in mind what I said about the fade collapsing into the real world-

"One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see."

The sky will open wide because that is the veil completely tearing and the fade collapsing into the real world, the sky will literally be a big portal to the fade. That will cause the magic to come back and be usable by everyone because being connected to the fade is what causes mages, and everyone will be exposed to the fade at that point which will cause the whole world to become able to use magic. Then the greater pride demon will step through, and all will see.

Now I don't know for certain about the "everyone in the world becomes able to use magic" part, but more and more it's seeming clear that some kind of big bad is on the horizon, and I'm sure it will be connected to the fade somehow. A greater pride demon fits.

Modifié par andy69156915, 23 décembre 2013 - 02:32 .

[Angrywolves]

andy69156915 wrote...

I'm not a "demon lover", hell I kill demons at every chance I get in this series. I just like the lore and see that massive fade tears all over the place and the veil getting weaker and weaker might just lead to something extraordinarily bad showing up. Like I said, the maker theory was just kind of thrown out there and my theory about the big bad guy of DA4 being a greater pride demon was my main point. You really expect the tears and veil weakening isn't leading up to something? There's even foreshadowing about some "someone rising and the world becoming magical again. Seriously, look at Sandal's quote, and think the "he" is a greater pride demon and keep in mind what I said about the fade collapsing into the real world-

"One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see."

The sky will open wide because that is the veil completely tearing and the fade collapsing into the real world, the sky will literally be a big portal to the fade. That will cause the magic to come back and be usable by everyone because being connected to the fade is what causes mages, and everyone will be exposed to the fade at that point which will cause the whole world to become able to use magic. Then the greater pride demon will step through, and all will see.

Now I don't know for certain about the "everyone in the world becomes able to use magic" part, but more and more it's seeming clear that some kind of big bad is on the horizon, and I'm sure it will be connected to the fade somehow. A greater pride demon fits.

More than likely an Old God.That fits more imo.
But you're entitled to your opinion.

[Vandicus]

Ridiculous. The Maker can't be a Greater Pride Demon. He'd have to be the Greatest Pride Demon.