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[Thrillian]

slimgrin wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

Maddok900 wrote...

THIS THREAD WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT DRAGONS AND SH*T YOU F*CKERS

Then why didn't you mention dragons or sh*t in your OP, mother*%@er?

Full discloser: I only read the op and the first post on this page.  No idea what everyone is talking about.

Clearly not.

Which is why I stated it.  There really was no need to reiterate.

[slimgrin]

Thrillho_82 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

Maddok900 wrote...

THIS THREAD WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT DRAGONS AND SH*T YOU F*CKERS

Then why didn't you mention dragons or sh*t in your OP, mother*%@er?

Full discloser: I only read the op and the first post on this page.  No idea what everyone is talking about.

Clearly not.

Which is why I stated it.  There really was no need to reiterate.

With all the real life military bad-assery and philosophy majors, I thought it important to just tell it like it is.

[Thrillian]

slimgrin wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

Maddok900 wrote...

THIS THREAD WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT DRAGONS AND SH*T YOU F*CKERS

Then why didn't you mention dragons or sh*t in your OP, mother*%@er?

Full discloser: I only read the op and the first post on this page.  No idea what everyone is talking about.

Clearly not.

Which is why I stated it.  There really was no need to reiterate.

With all the real life military bad-assery and philosophy majors, I thought it important to just tell it like it is.

I see. No room for any kind of humor then?  Very well.

"Tut, tut good sir.  I feel your outburst did not reflect that which was intended in your original post.  At no point in the original post did you bring up dragons or ,pardon the vulgarity, sh*t.   Please forgive me if that is incorrect, but I simply cannot find reference to either said items in the opening post."

Better?

[slimgrin]

Thrillho_82 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

Maddok900 wrote...

THIS THREAD WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT DRAGONS AND SH*T YOU F*CKERS

Then why didn't you mention dragons or sh*t in your OP, mother*%@er?

Full discloser: I only read the op and the first post on this page.  No idea what everyone is talking about.

Clearly not.

Which is why I stated it.  There really was no need to reiterate.

With all the real life military bad-assery and philosophy majors, I thought it important to just tell it like it is.

I see. No room for any kind of humor then?  Very well.

"Tut, tut good sir.  I feel your outburst did not reflect that which was intended in your original post.  At no point in the original post did you bring up dragons or ,pardon the vulgarity, sh*t.   Please forgive me if that is incorrect, but I simply cannot find reference to either said items in the opening post."

Better?

Not really, but then I was at least on topic a few pages back. I see why the BSN is so reviled online, people are incapable of serious discussion on this site.

[Maria Caliban]

I tend to think of a hero as a cultural expression.

For example, Superman is a hero. In his last film, he managed to cause enough collateral damage to wipe out a town. Some people complained but the average movie-goer seemed not to care a whit; it did not clash with their concept of heroism.

Those who did complained are even more interesting though because their complaint only makes sense if being a hero can exist independently of performing heroic actions. If they already *know* that Superman is the hero because of popular culture and the way the story treats him, and they're reacting to someone they *already see* as a hero acting the wrong way.

If you don't presume Superman is a hero, there's nothing to object to when he slams another character through a store we've seen people just flee into. The Hulk does this frequently, but we don't presume a screaming green mountain of rage is a hero, so no one suggests that it's inappropriate for that character to perform that action.



This becomes more explicit when we look at red kryptonite. It causes Superman to 'turn evil' by radiating his cells in an odd way, as though Superman's hero status is packed into his mitochondria. Whatever bad behaviors he engages in is a physical reaction to a noxious stimuli - like a tend to get sinus infections in late spring.

Previous editions of Dungeons and Dragons (and so a tone of fantasy literature) also described heroism this way. You could sniff out how much heroism a person had in them in 3.x and, if so inclined, stuff them with villainousness like some sort of demented housewife might pack a Thanksgiving turkey.

And I'm... drifting here. I think I'll quit for this post.

[Thrillian]

slimgrin wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

Maddok900 wrote...

THIS THREAD WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT DRAGONS AND SH*T YOU F*CKERS

Then why didn't you mention dragons or sh*t in your OP, mother*%@er?

Full discloser: I only read the op and the first post on this page.  No idea what everyone is talking about.

Clearly not.

Which is why I stated it.  There really was no need to reiterate.

With all the real life military bad-assery and philosophy majors, I thought it important to just tell it like it is.

I see. No room for any kind of humor then?  Very well.

"Tut, tut good sir.  I feel your outburst did not reflect that which was intended in your original post.  At no point in the original post did you bring up dragons or ,pardon the vulgarity, sh*t.   Please forgive me if that is incorrect, but I simply cannot find reference to either said items in the opening post."

Better?

Not really, but then I was at least on topic a few pages back. I see why the BSN is so reviled online, people are incapable of serious discussion on this site.

So no room for humor.  Yes I see why it is reviled as well then.  People are incapable of having a discussion that includes a little light hearted humor, despicable indeed.

[slimgrin]

Thrillho_82 wrote...

So no room for humor.  Yes I see why it is reviled as well then.  People are incapable of having a discussion that includes a little light hearted humor, despicable indeed.

No, it's flamebait and vitriol. Only the BSN has this in abundance.

[CynicalShep]

slimgrin wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

So no room for humor.  Yes I see why it is reviled as well then.  People are incapable of having a discussion that includes a little light hearted humor, despicable indeed.

No, it's flamebait and vitriol. Only the BSN has this in abundance.

You haven't been around the interwebz for too long, have you? BSN is sunshine and ponies bunnies compared to some other forums.

[Thrillian]

slimgrin wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

So no room for humor.  Yes I see why it is reviled as well then.  People are incapable of having a discussion that includes a little light hearted humor, despicable indeed.

No, it's flamebait and vitriol. Only the BSN has this in abundance.

What is flamebait and vitriol? Humor?  I disagree, at least that is not how I intended it, nor how I imagine many people intend it.  It is generally used as something to lighten the mood, at least in my case it is.  I guess there are always some people who have no sense of humor whatsoever that see it in that other light.

I also disagree that only the BSN has it in abundance.  Both those things are pretty abundant everywhere on the internet.

Edit:  If you meant that flamebait and vitriol are what make the BSN reviled, then I have no idea why you were quoting me.

Modifié par Thrillho_82, 23 décembre 2013 - 03:22 .

[CynicalShep]

KainD wrote...

@Gwydden

It's a little hard to explain a point to people that don't use level filters.

It's like I said, heroes are every persons subjective interpretation. You can't compare that to thieves, murderers, rapists etc, because those things are not subjective - there is a set action. For example a thief: taking something that doesn't belong to you. If I go to a deeper level past the filter, one could argue that nothing belongs to anyone universally, but I won't go there. And if we won't go there, stealing is not subjective, it is clear cut. With being a hero you don't even have to go deep to see that it is subjective. Being hero is not an action, it is an ideal.

What do you have to do to be a thief? Steal.
What do you have to do to be a hero? Well.. depends. Might even have to steal, like Robin Good. 

Clear cut my foot. I sometimes inadvertently pocket lighters that don't belong to me after lighting up a cigarette. Am I a thief?

Modifié par CynicalShep, 23 décembre 2013 - 03:24 .

[Afro_Explosion]

*Sees this train wreck of a thread, walks away*

[Thrillian]

CynicalShep wrote...

KainD wrote...

@Gwydden

It's a little hard to explain a point to people that don't use level filters.

It's like I said, heroes are every persons subjective interpretation. You can't compare that to thieves, murderers, rapists etc, because those things are not subjective - there is a set action. For example a thief: taking something that doesn't belong to you. If I go to a deeper level past the filter, one could argue that nothing belongs to anyone universally, but I won't go there. And if we won't go there, stealing is not subjective, it is clear cut. With being a hero you don't even have to go deep to see that it is subjective. Being hero is not an action, it is an ideal.

What do you have to do to be a thief? Steal.
What do you have to do to be a hero? Well.. depends. Might even have to steal, like Robin Good. 

Clearcut my foot. I sometimes inadvertently pocket lighters that don't belong to me after lighting up a cigarette. Am I a thief?

Well if you are, I once woke up with nine lighters in my pocket when I started the night before with none.  I guess that makes me a grand theft lighter thief.

[slimgrin]

CynicalShep wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

So no room for humor.  Yes I see why it is reviled as well then.  People are incapable of having a discussion that includes a little light hearted humor, despicable indeed.

No, it's flamebait and vitriol. Only the BSN has this in abundance.

You haven't been around the interwebz for too long, have you? BSN is sunshine and ponies bunnies compared to some other forums.

The hell it is. Compared to Bethesda, Larian, CDPR, this place is pure vitriol. 

Modifié par slimgrin, 23 décembre 2013 - 03:29 .

[andy6915]

Without reading the thread yet, has this thread degenerated to a big argument with David? I ask because this thread's title tells me that the likelihood of that is high.

[Afro_Explosion]

slimgrin wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

So no room for humor.  Yes I see why it is reviled as well then.  People are incapable of having a discussion that includes a little light hearted humor, despicable indeed.

No, it's flamebait and vitriol. Only the BSN has this in abundance.

You haven't been around the interwebz for too long, have you? BSN is sunshine and ponies bunnies compared to some other forums.

The hell it is. Compared to Bethesda, Larian, CDPR, this place is pure vitriol. 

Really the BSN isn't pure vitriol it has its ups and downs, some days we can all sing kumbaya  and have intelligent conversation and some days hell breaks loose, and if the think this is vitriol I reckon you've never been to reddit and stormfront.

[Thrillian]

andy69156915 wrote...

Without reading the thread yet, has this thread degenerated to a big argument with David? I ask because this thread's title tells me that the likelihood of that is high.

No, I think I accidently derailed it by having a sense of humor (admittedly not to everyone's tastes, but it's mine nonetheless), so if you wanted to get it back on track, all the power to you.

[CynicalShep]

Thrillho_82 wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

KainD wrote...

@Gwydden

It's a little hard to explain a point to people that don't use level filters.

It's like I said, heroes are every persons subjective interpretation. You can't compare that to thieves, murderers, rapists etc, because those things are not subjective - there is a set action. For example a thief: taking something that doesn't belong to you. If I go to a deeper level past the filter, one could argue that nothing belongs to anyone universally, but I won't go there. And if we won't go there, stealing is not subjective, it is clear cut. With being a hero you don't even have to go deep to see that it is subjective. Being hero is not an action, it is an ideal.

What do you have to do to be a thief? Steal.
What do you have to do to be a hero? Well.. depends. Might even have to steal, like Robin Good. 

Clearcut my foot. I sometimes inadvertently pocket lighters that don't belong to me after lighting up a cigarette. Am I a thief?

Well if you are, I once woke up with nine lighters in my pocket when I started the night before with none.  I guess that makes me a grand theft lighter thief.

But I had no intention of stealing and the "victim" doesn't mind. Is it still stealing?

And yes, you sound like quite the criminal

[CynicalShep]

slimgrin wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

So no room for humor.  Yes I see why it is reviled as well then.  People are incapable of having a discussion that includes a little light hearted humor, despicable indeed.

No, it's flamebait and vitriol. Only the BSN has this in abundance.

You haven't been around the interwebz for too long, have you? BSN is sunshine and ponies bunnies compared to some other forums.

The hell it is. Compared to Bethesda, Larian, CDPR, this place is pure vitriol. 

There are a lot more places on the internet other than these 4.

[Rusty Sandusky]

 This thread in a nutshell

[Thrillian]

CynicalShep wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

KainD wrote...

@Gwydden

It's a little hard to explain a point to people that don't use level filters.

It's like I said, heroes are every persons subjective interpretation. You can't compare that to thieves, murderers, rapists etc, because those things are not subjective - there is a set action. For example a thief: taking something that doesn't belong to you. If I go to a deeper level past the filter, one could argue that nothing belongs to anyone universally, but I won't go there. And if we won't go there, stealing is not subjective, it is clear cut. With being a hero you don't even have to go deep to see that it is subjective. Being hero is not an action, it is an ideal.

What do you have to do to be a thief? Steal.
What do you have to do to be a hero? Well.. depends. Might even have to steal, like Robin Good. 

Clearcut my foot. I sometimes inadvertently pocket lighters that don't belong to me after lighting up a cigarette. Am I a thief?

Well if you are, I once woke up with nine lighters in my pocket when I started the night before with none.  I guess that makes me a grand theft lighter thief.

But I had no intention of stealing and the "victim" doesn't mind. Is it still stealing?

And yes, you sound like quite the criminal

Well neither did I but you're right, I should probably turn myself in.

I live in Canada though so I'll probably get 5-10... minutes.

Modifié par Thrillho_82, 23 décembre 2013 - 03:58 .

[ObserverStatus]

slimgrin wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...
So no room for humor.  Yes I see why it is reviled as well then.  People are incapable of having a discussion that includes a little light hearted humor, despicable indeed.

No, it's flamebait and vitriol. Only the BSN has this in abundance.

You know slimgin, yesterday I went to the mall to buy some presents, when I got stuck in the turning lane for a few minutes, and it turned out to be a rather depressing experience. All around me there were people honking their horns and throwing fits. It was as if every time someone missed a gap in traffic or or got cut off, they felt that they were in a uniquely unfair situation, that they were the only one getting in or out of the parking lot at a crawling pace with a few unexpected extra delays here and there. It kinda bummed me out how so many people were honking their horns to express their frustration with the traffic, failing to realize that they *were* the traffic.

Modifié par bobobo878, 23 décembre 2013 - 04:12 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Oh, BSN. Never change. Also, bump.

[CynicalShep]

Thrillho_82 wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

KainD wrote...

@Gwydden

It's a little hard to explain a point to people that don't use level filters.

It's like I said, heroes are every persons subjective interpretation. You can't compare that to thieves, murderers, rapists etc, because those things are not subjective - there is a set action. For example a thief: taking something that doesn't belong to you. If I go to a deeper level past the filter, one could argue that nothing belongs to anyone universally, but I won't go there. And if we won't go there, stealing is not subjective, it is clear cut. With being a hero you don't even have to go deep to see that it is subjective. Being hero is not an action, it is an ideal.

What do you have to do to be a thief? Steal.
What do you have to do to be a hero? Well.. depends. Might even have to steal, like Robin Good. 

Clearcut my foot. I sometimes inadvertently pocket lighters that don't belong to me after lighting up a cigarette. Am I a thief?

Well if you are, I once woke up with nine lighters in my pocket when I started the night before with none.  I guess that makes me a grand theft lighter thief.

But I had no intention of stealing and the "victim" doesn't mind. Is it still stealing?

And yes, you sound like quite the criminal

Well neither did I but you're right, I should probably turn myself in.

I live in Canada though so I'll probably get 5-10... minutes.

And a "I'm sorry"

[Thrillian]

CynicalShep wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

KainD wrote...

@Gwydden

It's a little hard to explain a point to people that don't use level filters.

It's like I said, heroes are every persons subjective interpretation. You can't compare that to thieves, murderers, rapists etc, because those things are not subjective - there is a set action. For example a thief: taking something that doesn't belong to you. If I go to a deeper level past the filter, one could argue that nothing belongs to anyone universally, but I won't go there. And if we won't go there, stealing is not subjective, it is clear cut. With being a hero you don't even have to go deep to see that it is subjective. Being hero is not an action, it is an ideal.

What do you have to do to be a thief? Steal.
What do you have to do to be a hero? Well.. depends. Might even have to steal, like Robin Good. 

Clearcut my foot. I sometimes inadvertently pocket lighters that don't belong to me after lighting up a cigarette. Am I a thief?

Well if you are, I once woke up with nine lighters in my pocket when I started the night before with none.  I guess that makes me a grand theft lighter thief.

But I had no intention of stealing and the "victim" doesn't mind. Is it still stealing?

And yes, you sound like quite the criminal

Well neither did I but you're right, I should probably turn myself in.

I live in Canada though so I'll probably get 5-10... minutes.

And a "I'm sorry"

Only if you really mean it, and that's pretty rare.

Although when I tried to use a lighter in front of one of my friends, and they said "Hey, isn't that mine?"  I was truly sorry and gave it back.  Only because I was caught though.

[CynicalShep]

I can relate. Guess I'm as much of a criminal as you are.