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[Astartes Marine]

I believe it was stated either on here or on twitter (gotta love post-release plot hole repair devices like twitter) that traditional FTL was enough to get people where they needed to go, it just took longer.  Weeks and months rather than hours or days.  The relays just made intergalactic travel easy and fast.

[Kiwiphoenix]

Not to mention, history shows that, given resources and the absence of major crises, important stuff gets rebuilt -quickly-.
It's likely that out-of-the-way planets will be ruined for generations, but relinking the homeworlds will be priority #1 for every scientist and engineer in the galaxy.
Plus, showing you what -did- get repaired makes for a far nicer epilogue than everything that didn't and probably won't.

[SporkFu]

Kiwiphoenix wrote...

Not to mention, history shows that, given resources and the absence of major crises, important stuff gets rebuilt -quickly-.
It's likely that out-of-the-way planets will be ruined for generations, but relinking the homeworlds will be priority #1 for every scientist and engineer in the galaxy.
Plus, showing you what -did- get repaired makes for a far nicer epilogue than everything that didn't and probably won't.

Well said. Top priority will be getting the Citadel and the relays up and running again. Survivors will need to be located.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

SporkFu wrote...

Kiwiphoenix wrote...

Not to mention, history shows that, given resources and the absence of major crises, important stuff gets rebuilt -quickly-.
It's likely that out-of-the-way planets will be ruined for generations, but relinking the homeworlds will be priority #1 for every scientist and engineer in the galaxy.
Plus, showing you what -did- get repaired makes for a far nicer epilogue than everything that didn't and probably won't.

Well said. Top priority will be getting the Citadel and the relays up and running again. Survivors will need to be located.

Absence of major crises.... like lack of food, fresh water, electricity, and **** to build the **** you need to build the **** to go anywhere because the reapers destroyed all of it. Of course people can live on rats for a while and crap and ****** in the streets. Then there are the dead decaying bodies all over the place that have not been turned into husks... But nobody has thought about this. So this means disease. Just minor inconveniences without pharmaceutical companies to make antibiotics and stuff because the reapers destroyed all that stuff. Bring out your dead! Bring out your dead! But I'm not dead yet! Looks dead to me. I got better.

[SporkFu]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

SporkFu wrote...

Kiwiphoenix wrote...

Not to mention, history shows that, given resources and the absence of major crises, important stuff gets rebuilt -quickly-.
It's likely that out-of-the-way planets will be ruined for generations, but relinking the homeworlds will be priority #1 for every scientist and engineer in the galaxy.
Plus, showing you what -did- get repaired makes for a far nicer epilogue than everything that didn't and probably won't.

Well said. Top priority will be getting the Citadel and the relays up and running again. Survivors will need to be located.

Absence of major crises.... like lack of food, fresh water, electricity, and **** to build the **** you need to build the **** to go anywhere because the reapers destroyed all of it. Of course people can live on rats for a while and crap and ****** in the streets. Then there are the dead decaying bodies all over the place that have not been turned into husks... But nobody has thought about this. So this means disease. Just minor inconveniences without pharmaceutical companies to make antibiotics and stuff because the reapers destroyed all that stuff. Bring out your dead! Bring out your dead! But I'm not dead yet! Looks dead to me. I got better.

I look at it like, people with expertise in any given field are going to be doing what they do best. Farmers will be feeding people. Medics will be healing people. Suddenly out-of-work soldiers will be helping clean up. Engineers will be repairing the relays.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Well, Earth was a little overcrowded. Welcome to Earth. Population 2 billion.

[Kiwiphoenix]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Absence of major crises.... like lack of food, fresh water, electricity, and **** to build the **** you need to build the **** to go anywhere because the reapers destroyed all of it. Of course people can live on rats for a while and crap and ****** in the streets. Then there are the dead decaying bodies all over the place that have not been turned into husks... But nobody has thought about this. So this means disease. Just minor inconveniences without pharmaceutical companies to make antibiotics and stuff because the reapers destroyed all that stuff. Bring out your dead! Bring out your dead! But I'm not dead yet! Looks dead to me. I got better.

Absence of major crises like essential people actively getting murdered. Everywhere that's ever been ravaged by warfare has dealt with a lack of **** with which to build ****. Hell, Toyama, Japan, was literally razed to the ground (99.5% urban destruction) in 1945. They had industries going again by the mid-50s, and this was done with 1900s tech.

I'm not saying that there won't be immediate problems in the ME universe. But take the omnicidal death gods out of this equation, and it leaves you with multiple civilisations' worth of specialists, with hyper-advanced technology, working towards one common goal, without anyone shooting at them. Things will be ugly for a time, but they will improve rapidly in the 'important' places.

As for bodies everywhere... call me morbid, but that issue should be mitigated by the combined wonders of industrial-scale husk conversion and husk-vapourising space magic.

What I'm getting at here is that human civilisations have been put through similar relative levels of destruction and loss, and yet rebuilt in remarkable time, using much cruder methods than are available in ME. It's not unreasonable to think that the relays and homeworlds could be put back together within Hackett's lifetime.

[KaiserShep]

Portable technology and vehicles are far too advanced in the MEU for the surviving population to suddenly suffer the problems we would if our own infrastructure totally collapsed with equal severity. Portable power sources are vastly abundant and far more efficient, and it's much easier to transport food and water since shuttles and ships are still operational.

[AlanC9]

Remember, the Reapers weren't all that keen on starving people to death. If they wreck all the infrastructure, people would starve to death before being harvested. Not all that great an outcome for the Reapers.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Kiwiphoenix wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Absence of major crises.... like lack of food, fresh water, electricity, and **** to build the **** you need to build the **** to go anywhere because the reapers destroyed all of it. Of course people can live on rats for a while and crap and ****** in the streets. Then there are the dead decaying bodies all over the place that have not been turned into husks... But nobody has thought about this. So this means disease. Just minor inconveniences without pharmaceutical companies to make antibiotics and stuff because the reapers destroyed all that stuff. Bring out your dead! Bring out your dead! But I'm not dead yet! Looks dead to me. I got better.

Absence of major crises like essential people actively getting murdered. Everywhere that's ever been ravaged by warfare has dealt with a lack of **** with which to build ****. Hell, Toyama, Japan, was literally razed to the ground (99.5% urban destruction) in 1945. They had industries going again by the mid-50s, and this was done with 1900s tech.

I'm not saying that there won't be immediate problems in the ME universe. But take the omnicidal death gods out of this equation, and it leaves you with multiple civilisations' worth of specialists, with hyper-advanced technology, working towards one common goal, without anyone shooting at them. Things will be ugly for a time, but they will improve rapidly in the 'important' places.

As for bodies everywhere... call me morbid, but that issue should be mitigated by the combined wonders of industrial-scale husk conversion and husk-vapourising space magic.

What I'm getting at here is that human civilisations have been put through similar relative levels of destruction and loss, and yet rebuilt in remarkable time, using much cruder methods than are available in ME. It's not unreasonable to think that the relays and homeworlds could be put back together within Hackett's lifetime.

You cite Japan. Fine. Don't forget the Marshall Plan helped a lot. We're talking a global disaster, plus a galactic disaster, but let's not stand in the way of space magic. Ugly? Yeah, very ugly for a few years. I sure wouldn't want to live in one of the "unimportant places" where everything you need is just a bullet away.

And hyper advanced tech? Let's assume the red wave. It was all destroyed. Of course the slides make it look like everything is fine after a few months. The ending is so full of space magic. Face it there are so many gaping plot holes, I think the only reason we're still around here is that some of us sunk 1200 hrs into the first two games.

Like I said, the Earth was a bit overcrowded at 11 billion. So "Welcome to Earth, Pop. 2 billion."

[KaiserShep]

The red wave does not target all technology. If it did, everyone in space would be dead. It's techno-magic, sure, but not a plot hole.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 23 décembre 2013 - 09:01 .

[Farangbaa]

I get really confused when Kaiser and Julia talk to each other.

[KaiserShep]

I really wish this site did not restrict the user pic options (can't use the workaround on my computer), otherwise I'd just create my own.

[Gervaise]

With the original endings the implication was that destroy would bring in a technological dark age (see writers notes in Final Hours) and the Catalyst also implied all technology would be affected. T
I assumed that the Normandy and its crew was grounded permanently on the remote planet and the old guy and child at the end were their descendants awaiting the day when they could fly the stars again.

However, with the revised endings it would seem that the Relays were only temporarily affected and were rebuilt fairly quickly. If you take into account that all the best minds in the galaxy were working on the Crucible and therefore saved from Reaper destruction, the expertise was certainly there to achieve this. Also the majority of the fleet probably evacuated before the Crucible fired and were therefore located in the correct places to achieve this. You can assume it was only because Joker delayed so long in leaving that the Normandy got caught and damaged.

It probably also helped that Shepard had succeeded in uniting the galaxy so in the immediate aftermath there was a great deal more co-operation between the species which would aid a speedy resolution of the Relay problem.

[Nitrocuban]

A giant eagle flew them home.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I'd create my own avatar, too, but I've tried using the workaround and it doesn't work on my PC.

[David7204]

My PC barely runs games 10 years old, and it worked fine. Do you know why it didn't work on yours?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Perhaps I didn't do use the Dragon Age thing correctly.

I can operate very complex audio programs but not this thing alas.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 23 décembre 2013 - 05:11 .

[David7204]

You probably didn't.

[Nitrocuban]

Nitrocuban wrote...

A giant eagle flew them home.

And he had a breathing mask cause space.

[Podge 90]

Nitrocuban wrote...

Nitrocuban wrote...

A giant eagle flew them home.

And he had a breathing mask cause space.

Don't be stupid...



...eagles can't fly in a vacuum.