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[Afro_Explosion]

This thread makes me need a drink anyone buying?

[Guns]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Bull****, your whole post reeks of it. Gandulf was always planned to survive? Aint that a crock of ****, how about you show some proof before you go spouting off diahreha from  your mouth eh. And Aragon surviving was grade aid bait and switch from the writer to juke the audience, it served no purpose and was only there for drama, much like leilianas death. And don't you even dare try and say Darth Vader was  a character meant to be in more then just new hope. He was flying out into space with no control over his ship and millions of miles away from anyone, he was as good as dead. New hope itself was never intended to be anything but a stand alone film, but george got greedy and cocky and decided he wanted to bring the guy back and make things more "dramatic" by retconing anakin skywalker to be alive and be a main character this whole time.

-5/10 troll harder and get better ****ing ammo.

Both The Lord of the Rings and The Star Wars Trilogies were all written and finished before the first of either series was released and both authors and had planned out the stories, and how they would end, from the beginning. Darth Vader was always planned to survive. Gandalf was always planned to survive. Aragorn was always planned to survive. Leliana was not originally written to serve a greater purpose in Mage-Templar war and was not originally written to survive if the Warden turned on her in Andraste's temple.

You obviously don't know what retconning means, or trolling for that matter. Again, please refrain from discussing subjects you have no clue about.

Modifié par Guns, 23 décembre 2013 - 08:03 .

[Hazegurl]

Vandicus wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...



geez, I wonder why no one is reacting the same way to Flemeth's appearance in DA2

Actually people did complain about it.


Regarding DA2, the game was a lot shorter than the developers had originally intended, and there was also a planned expansion/DLC titled "Exalted March" IIRC. I do believe Flemeth, Leliana, and Morrigan have been planned to be fairly central characters for these few decades of Thedas's history. 

Ah. I didn't know ppl complained. I actually think it makes sense for her to still live. I believe Morrigan even mentions that she couldn't be killed.

[Cainhurst Crow]

mx_keep13 wrote...

This thread makes me need a drink anyone buying?

I have natural light or rolling rock.

Choose.

[Hazegurl]

Steelcan wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...



I find it funny that Mass Effect has no problems keeping certain characters dead no matter how popular they are and although they pretty much tell the same story with the different character they at least can provide a bit of variation to it. I wonder if the Mass Effect staff should also take over the Dragon Age Project.  

But then again the Dragon Age team would take over Mass Effect and they'll just turn it into a world where everyone is immortal and doesn't die.

.  Amen to that.  When Garrus died, he freakin died, regardless of how popular he was or how much the writers liked him

Even Wrex stayed dead and he's practically everyone's favorite character. He doesn't just show up for ME2 boasting about the healing properties of the Virmire swamps.

Modifié par Hazegurl, 23 décembre 2013 - 08:06 .

[Gwydden]

Guns wrote...

Both the Lord of the Rings and The Star Wars Trilogies were all written and finished before the first of either series was released and both authors and had planned out the stories and how they would end from the beginning. Darth Vader was always planned to survive. Gandalf was always planned to survive. Aragorn was always planned to survive. Leliana was not originally written to serve a greater purpose in Mage-Templar war and was not originally written to survive if the Warden turned on her in Andraste's temple.

Yet again, why do you insist on enslaving the writers? What is wrong with changing one's mind? Also, I doubt they actually planned for her to die (as in a calculated, thought over idea) considering it was one of many possibilities, and not a particularly likely one.

Leliana didn't even "die" because the Warden chose to kill her. It happened because the Warden chose to defile the Ashes, then she chose to fight him. To kill her or not wasn't even a choice, unless you were metagaming.

Modifié par Gwydden, 23 décembre 2013 - 08:07 .

[JCAP]

When I am rich enough, I will create "TrollWare Studios". They will make RPG's with choices.

BUT, your choices won't really matter! You saved someone? Sorry, he's dead in the sequel. Your protagonist is a warrior? Sorry, he will be treated as a mage. You saved the world? You wish, you're the one who destroyed it.

[Hazegurl]

Wow so now asking the writers to keep track of their character's outcome is now enslaving them? How dramatic. lol!

[Gwydden]

Hazegurl wrote...

Wow so now asking the writers to keep track of their character's outcome is now enslaving them? How dramatic. lol!

[Sigh] No, just telling them they cannot change their minds.

[Afro_Explosion]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

This thread makes me need a drink anyone buying?

I have natural light or rolling rock.

Choose.

I'll take rolling rock,im drinking to get drunk

[Hazegurl]

JCAP wrote...

When I am rich enough, I will create "TrollWare Studios". They will make RPG's with choices.

BUT, your choices won't really matter! You saved someone? Sorry, he's dead in the sequel. Your protagonist is a warrior? Sorry, he will be treated as a mage. You saved the world? You wish, you're the one who destroyed it.

LOL! Just take over Bioware and give this title to the Dragon age division.  Done.

[Guns]

Gwydden wrote...

Guns wrote...

Both the Lord of the Rings and The Star Wars Trilogies were all written and finished before the first of either series was released and both authors and had planned out the stories and how they would end from the beginning. Darth Vader was always planned to survive. Gandalf was always planned to survive. Aragorn was always planned to survive. Leliana was not originally written to serve a greater purpose in Mage-Templar war and was not originally written to survive if the Warden turned on her in Andraste's temple.

Yet again, why do you insist on enslaving the writers? What is wrong with changing one's mind? Also, I doubt they actually planned for her to die (as in a calculated, thought over idea) considering it was one of many possibilities, and not a particularly likely one.

Leliana didn't even "die" because the Warden chose to kill her. It happened because the Warden chose to defile the Ashes, then she chose to fight him. To kill her or not wasn't even a choice, unless you were metagaming.

Rofl insisting on someone you kill remaining dead is not enslaving the writers. They can choose another character to fill her role, or they should be able to if they are... you know, writers.

Say I choose to kill someone's son. It's not a choice to kill the father, but if he attacks me and I defend myself, killing him in the process, he is dead. The end.

[CynicalShep]

mx_keep13 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

This thread makes me need a drink anyone buying?

I have natural light or rolling rock.

Choose.

I'll take rolling rock,im drinking to get drunk

Joining you two.
Stella Artois or Jack Daniels?

[Gwydden]

Guns wrote...

Rofl insisting on someone you kill remaining dead is not enslaving the writers. They can choose another character to fill her role, or they should be able to if they are... you know, writers.

How do you know you killed her? How can the Warden be sure he/she killed her? Why are you so certain? Maybe you missed my Balak example, but that is pretty much how I stand on this.

Incredibly enough, I'm having fun with this discussion, so thank you for that. I'm a bloody masochist.

Modifié par Gwydden, 23 décembre 2013 - 08:15 .

[Afro_Explosion]

CynicalShep wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

This thread makes me need a drink anyone buying?

I have natural light or rolling rock.

Choose.

I'll take rolling rock,im drinking to get drunk

Joining you two.
Stella Artois or Jack Daniels?

Why not both?

[Hazegurl]

Gwydden wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Wow so now asking the writers to keep track of their character's outcome is now enslaving them? How dramatic. lol!

[Sigh] No, just telling them they cannot change their minds.

The problem isn't them changing their minds, it's the fact that they change their minds all the freaking time. Do they have to do it for even the most insignificant and replaceable characters? Leliana being alive wouldn't even be so bad if she wasn't accompanied by Ohgren, Anders, and Isolde.  

[Steelcan]

Gwydden wrote...

Guns wrote...

Rofl insisting on someone you kill remaining dead is not enslaving the writers. They can choose another character to fill her role, or they should be able to if they are... you know, writers.

How do you know you killed her? How can the Warden be sure he/she killed her? Why are you so certain? Maybe you missed my Balak example, but that is pretty much how I stand on this.

Incredibly enough, I'm having fun with this discussion, so thank you for that. I'm a bloody masochist.

.  Well she can lose her head

[Gwydden]

Hazegurl wrote...

The problem isn't them changing their minds, it's the fact that they change their minds all the freaking time. Do they have to do it for even the most insignificant and replaceable characters? Leliana being alive wouldn't even be so bad if she wasn't accompanied by Ohgren, Anders, and Isolde.  

Ogrhen and Anders die?

Isolde is either a bug or a major blow up, I'm with you there.

[Gwydden]

Steelcan wrote...
Well she can lose her head

As I said, gameplay/story segregation. The same happens with Zevran.

Modifié par Gwydden, 23 décembre 2013 - 08:17 .

[Steelcan]

Gwydden wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
Well she can lose her head

As I said, gameplay/story segregation. The same happens with Zevran.

but ypu then see Zevran is not decapitated, you dont walk away leaving a head and body rolling away 

[Gwydden]

Steelcan wrote...

but ypu then see Zevran is not decapitated, you dont walk away leaving a head and body rolling away 

What if I did?

Truth be told, I don't even remember who I did or did not decapitate. It's just an animation, and as such, it doesn't affect the story in the slightest.

[Lord Raijin]

Veruin wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
Please explain to me how Dten being left in a locked cage to die, but still becoming Arushok isbt a retco.?  Or how giving the Circle its freedom only to have it not granted, thats a retcon as well.

Isn't Sten the Arishok in Gaider's personal storyline?  Much like how Alistair is king of Fereldan?  Or did they make that official?
As for the circle, I don't see how that's a retcon when Gaider said that Alistair/Anora did ask about it, but the Chantry basically said no.  I don't see how it's a retcon if a choice didn't turn out the way you thought it would.

Uh, Thats not entirly true because if King Alistair delcares the Circle free then he has every right to do so, and does not have to ask permission by the Chantry to do so. Which explains why Knight-Commander Meredith stormed up and hised at him over his decision. The word spread like wild fires and impacted mages who aren't part of his kingdom.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 23 décembre 2013 - 08:24 .

[Hazegurl]

Gwydden wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

The problem isn't them changing their minds, it's the fact that they change their minds all the freaking time. Do they have to do it for even the most insignificant and replaceable characters? Leliana being alive wouldn't even be so bad if she wasn't accompanied by Ohgren, Anders, and Isolde.  

Ogrhen and Anders die?

Isolde is either a bug or a major blow up, I'm with you there.

If you kill Ohgren in Origins he shows up in Awakening claiming he woke up naked in the woods and the Warden only thought he killed him. 

Anders can die at Vigil's Keep, found with an arrow in the neck or badly burned. Anders will claim he faked his death in DA2.  

Now I'm wondering if that murder knife was enough. lol!