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[Sylvius the Mad]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Since a "killshot" animation is a visual representation of a standard attack (and therefore here to provide nothing more than visual stimulation and excitement), I'm sure that would fall under cinematic for Sylvius. Visualization for visualization a own value is very movie or cinematic-esque.

Right.  The gameplay is contained entirely in the string of numbers we would see if there was a combat log.  Did we hit?  How much damage did we do?  Did the character reach 0 HP?

All the pretty pictures are cinematics.  They're not cutscenes, but they're still cinematics.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I can't bring myself to agree with that definintion. And why isn't anyone bringing up the clones except one poster? I would figure the cinematics being filled with clones would clearly prove hawke and the warden are indoctrinated.

[Br3admax]

Honestly, I never had a problem with it. It's not like I feed Leliana to the dragon or anything. Anders being a Grey Warden is a little cringe worthy, but then again, I always recruited him, so I also never had a problem there. As to the rest, they were bugs, so that's a coding, not a story problem.

[SaltBot]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Anyone who was ever hinted at being dead in any story should stay dead, and revealing them as alive
later is bad writing. Now I know, and knowing is half the battle.

In other news, comic book sales plummet as 99% of all known characters are revealed to have actually been dead the whole time.  A small, vocal minority stand on principle that this is the greatest thing to ever happen to the industry.

As a big fan of the Awakening expansion, I view what they did to Anders in DA2 (and I mean EVERYTHING they did to him) as almost unforgivable.  Yet here I sit, anxiously awaiting DA:I.  It is my disposable income and this is how I choose to spend it.  If you are upset with the product BW is presenting to you, you should probably not waste your hard-earned dollars on it.  The fact that they carry over any choices at all, let alone give an honest effort to carry over all of them, makes the DA games better than 99% of other, similar options I have available to me.  Yet, to each their own.

[Nerevar-as]

SaltBot wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Anyone who was ever hinted at being dead in any story should stay dead, and revealing them as alive
later is bad writing. Now I know, and knowing is half the battle.

In other news, comic book sales plummet as 99% of all known characters are revealed to have actually been dead the whole time.  A small, vocal minority stand on principle that this is the greatest thing to ever happen to the industry.

As a big fan of the Awakening expansion, I view what they did to Anders in DA2 (and I mean EVERYTHING they did to him) as almost unforgivable.  Yet here I sit, anxiously awaiting DA:I.  It is my disposable income and this is how I choose to spend it.  If you are upset with the product BW is presenting to you, you should probably not waste your hard-earned dollars on it.  The fact that they carry over any choices at all, let alone give an honest effort to carry over all of them, makes the DA games better than 99% of other, similar options I have available to me.  Yet, to each their own.

Death has become a joke (and a bad one at that) at both Marvel and DC, and current writing is just leading itself to a slow death for both. I don´t think BW has enough IPs so that copping out of choices becomes their meme, but
so far it isn´t for lack of trying - the more important a choice looks, the more likely it´ll be a cop out.

[aTrueFool]

Steelcan wrote...

My favorite part is how even if Leliana wasn't decapitated she was still maimed, mauled, incinerated, frozen, petrified, slashed, etc... The ashes are defiled and of no use, yet she still managed to walk/crawl off a mountain

When has adding blood, dragon blood in particular, ever made magic weaker?

[Wulfram]

Is really "Comic Book Death" considered anything but a mark of poor writing?

[SaltBot]

Wulfram wrote...

Is really "Comic Book Death" considered anything but a mark of poor writing?

It may be poor writing, but I am not a writer so who am I to judge?  I continue to be entertained, so I continue to spend my money.  If you are no longer entertained, I would propose that you find something else to spend your money on.  I'm a big supporter of discerning consumers choosing when and how to spend their money.  BW is not entitled to your $60+ any more than you are entitled to any of your demands.

[Angrywolves]

Surprised this thread hasn't been closed.
They meaning Bioware are playing DAI and don't have time to moderate the forum.lol.

So they retconned Leliana.So what ? They've done it and that's that.
shrugs.

[Goneaviking]

I don't know what you're all talking about.

Clearly it was Leliana's long lost twin, also named Leliana because they were separated at birth when she was thought dead and raised in a religious orphanage by strangers who didn't realize she had a twin who was also called Leliana and therefore had no idea that calling her that would be weird and/or confusing.

[SaltBot]

Goneaviking wrote...

I don't know what you're all talking about.

Clearly it was Leliana's long lost twin, also named Leliana because they were separated at birth when she was thought dead and raised in a religious orphanage by strangers who didn't realize she had a twin who was also called Leliana and therefore had no idea that calling her that would be weird and/or confusing.

Twist: the long-lost twin is actually an evil twin.

Double-twist: the long-lost twin is actually the good twin, and the original Leliana was the evil twin.  Directed by M Night Shyamalan.

[Brodoteau]

Please lock this thread. If it bothers people this much, I have a solution:
DAO is narrated (Duncan voice). It is a told story.
DA2 is narrated (Varric). It is a told story.

The narrator(s) got it wrong. There... as mentioned above... stories of my death were greatly exaggerated. And really, a character surviving is not a retcon... even if it was not originally planned. Because it does not, in this case, really change continuity in the story.

[In Exile]

Wulfram wrote...

Is really "Comic Book Death" considered anything but a mark of poor writing?

The problem is the insane obsession with a single continuity. It'd be fine to kill of characters if DC/Marvel just stopped trying to have a 60 year long continuity. Do what movies do: reboot every so often and there you go. 

You don't need every creative Spiderman or Superman story to happen in the same universe, and the really brilliant storylines don't even do that. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

In Exile wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Is really "Comic Book Death" considered anything but a mark of poor writing?

The problem is the insane obsession with a single continuity. It'd be fine to kill of characters if DC/Marvel just stopped trying to have a 60 year long continuity. Do what movies do: reboot every so often and there you go. 

You don't need every creative Spiderman or Superman story to happen in the same universe, and the really brilliant storylines don't even do that. 

The big two kill off their main characters quite regularly, and permanently, in the alternate universes. However, they simply cannot afford to make any such drastic change in their main continuity (which still holds the majority of their readers). That is why any sort of permanent death is reserved for minor and insignificant characters, and that is why major characters like SUperman, Batman, Spider-man and so on dies on a irregular interval for an uncertain amount of time, but they always come back at some point.

Sometimes you have to remember that comic books are a business, and you don't kill the golden goose.

[Lazengan]

In Exile wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Is really "Comic Book Death" considered anything but a mark of poor writing?

The problem is the insane obsession with a single continuity. It'd be fine to kill of characters if DC/Marvel just stopped trying to have a 60 year long continuity. Do what movies do: reboot every so often and there you go. 

You don't need every creative Spiderman or Superman story to happen in the same universe, and the really brilliant storylines don't even do that. 

Extremely Long continuity will just rot your brain after a while. Some stories should just end seriously

[Ryzaki]

Hazegurl wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...



geez, I wonder why no one is reacting the same way to Flemeth's appearance in DA2

Actually people did complain about it.


Regarding DA2, the game was a lot shorter than the developers had originally intended, and there was also a planned expansion/DLC titled "Exalted March" IIRC. I do believe Flemeth, Leliana, and Morrigan have been planned to be fairly central characters for these few decades of Thedas's history. 

Ah. I didn't know ppl complained. I actually think it makes sense for her to still live. I believe Morrigan even mentions that she couldn't be killed.

This there's zero reason to complain about Flemeth. It's pretty blatant you didn't actually kill her. Just delayed her coming after Morrigan.

[Angrywolves]

Ryzaki wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...



geez, I wonder why no one is reacting the same way to Flemeth's appearance in DA2

Actually people did complain about it.


Regarding DA2, the game was a lot shorter than the developers had originally intended, and there was also a planned expansion/DLC titled "Exalted March" IIRC. I do believe Flemeth, Leliana, and Morrigan have been planned to be fairly central characters for these few decades of Thedas's history. 

Ah. I didn't know ppl complained. I actually think it makes sense for her to still live. I believe Morrigan even mentions that she couldn't be killed.

This there's zero reason to complain about Flemeth. It's pretty blatant you didn't actually kill her. Just delayed her coming after Morrigan.

There were plenty of hints along the way that you weren't really able to kill Flemeth.

That's true.
No proof Flemeth actually wanted to come after Morrigan.
I think she wanted Morrigan to have the freedom to raise the OGB.
Flemeth's plans take place later on, we hope in DAI's time.

Modifié par Angrywolves, 24 décembre 2013 - 01:08 .

[Hazegurl]

Brodoteau wrote...

Please lock this thread. If it bothers people this much, I have a solution:
DAO is narrated (Duncan voice). It is a told story.
DA2 is narrated (Varric). It is a told story.

The narrator(s) got it wrong. There... as mentioned above... stories of my death were greatly exaggerated. And really, a character surviving is not a retcon... even if it was not originally planned. Because it does not, in this case, really change continuity in the story.

So, the mods should lock any thread you don't like? How hypocritical of some people here to claim that no one has a right to ask for anything from Bioware while demanding something from Bioware.

Didn't realize Duncan can narrate from beyond the grave.

@Ryzaki, right. We went back to the swamp knowing that the fight with her is just to slow her down. But then again I've never read a thread with anyone complaining about her. It probably happened before I began coming here.

Modifié par Hazegurl, 24 décembre 2013 - 01:10 .

[Angrywolves]

doesn't slow her down a bit.

[Boycott Bioware]

Guns wrote...
Both The Lord of the Rings and The Star Wars Trilogies were all written and finished before the first of either series was released and both authors and had planned out the stories, and how they would end, from the beginning. Darth Vader was always planned to survive.

Luke Skywalker was originally a girl, but the sentiment at that time peoples don't want a woman as a hero, that is why at some part Luke and Leia look like having incest relationship such as Leia kissing Luke and so on. While actually the scenes are just normal girly kissing each other. And that is why Luke is girly and too feminine in his character. Even Luke have been played as a guy, the whole of his character is a woman's character. (edit : His dialogues and expression is not for a man character, that is why it seems like missmatch)

"Return of the Jedi" was originally "Revenge of the Jedi", Yoda originally will not show up but Lucas think that he must make a scene where Yoda confirm Darth Vader is Luke's father. Obi Wan was originally will return in flesh and not in spirit. Obi Wan supposed to help Luke in the end fighting Darth Vader in flesh, he become stronger than ever, he just disappear and not really dead, but Lucas retcon that making it spiritual. Originally there was no Ewoks, it supposed to be Wookies who fought the end battle. That is why the Battle of Endor is suck, Storm Trooper armor vs stones and such, but Lucas think it is better "small against powerful" in the end. Wookies are large beasts and too brutal. Originally Luke will wear Darth Vader mask for darker ending, but Lucas want to make this movie for kids.

Star Wars Trilogy have so many retcons to justify Expended Universe and Star Wars Episode I to III.

(Edit : Leia was supposed to know her mother because of her dialogue, but it being oversighted in Episode III where Padme dead when she's born, so some fans want to justify it said "Leia is Force Sensitive", but it doesn't make sense when Luke don't remember anything being born first)

Modifié par Qistina, 24 décembre 2013 - 01:43 .

[Angrywolves]

well said.

[Guns]

Qistina wrote...

Guns wrote...
Both The Lord of the Rings and The Star Wars Trilogies were all written and finished before the first of either series was released and both authors and had planned out the stories, and how they would end, from the beginning. Darth Vader was always planned to survive.

Luke Skywalker was originally a girl, but the sentiment at that time peoples don't want a woman as a hero, that is why at some part Luke and Leia look like having incest relationship such as Leia kissing Luke and so on. While actually the scenes are just normal girly kissing each other. And that is why Luke is girly and too feminine in his character. Even Luke have been played as a guy, the whole of his character is a woman's character. (edit : His dialogues and expression is not for a man character, that is why it seems like missmatch)

"Return of the Jedi" was originally "Revenge of the Jedi", Yoda originally will not show up but Lucas think that he must make a scene where Yoda confirm Darth Vader is Luke's father. Obi Wan was originally will return in flesh and not in spirit. Obi Wan supposed to help Luke in the end fighting Darth Vader in flesh, he become stronger than ever, he just disappear and not really dead, but Lucas retcon that making it spiritual. Originally there was no Ewoks, it supposed to be Wookies who fought the end battle. That is why the Battle of Endor is suck, Storm Trooper armor vs stones and such, but Lucas think it is better "small against powerful" in the end. Wookies are large beasts and too brutal. Originally Luke will wear Darth Vader mask for darker ending, but Lucas want to make this movie for kids.

Star Wars Trilogy have so many retcons to justify Expended Universe and Star Wars Episode I to III.

(Edit : Leia was supposed to know her mother because of her dialogue, but it being oversighted in Episode III where Padme dead when she's born, so some fans want to justify it said "Leia is Force Sensitive", but it doesn't make sense when Luke don't remember anything being born first)

Luke being a girl was changed long before A New Hope was even close to beginning production. That was like a pre-alpha concept. Return of the Jedi's script was largely changed due to technology at the time not being able to support the original plans of visiting Coruscant etc. Most changes were made when Lucas was still making final drafts or by directors. Regardless, the story was for the most part written before any filming for A New Hope started.

Leliana's character was not originally written for more than Dragon Age: Origins as an essential character.

It's true there are retcons in The EU and Prequels which is a large part of why they are inferior story wise to the original trilogy.

Modifié par Guns, 24 décembre 2013 - 03:05 .

[Boycott Bioware]

Guns wrote...
Luke being a girl was changed long before A New Hope was even close to beginning production. That was like a pre-alpha concept. Return of the Jedi's script was largely changed due to technology at the time not being able to support the original plans of visiting Coruscant etc. Most changes were made when Lucas was still making final drafts or by directors. Regardless, the story was for the most part written before any filming for A New Hope started.

Well, Star Wars itself is actually "Flash Gordon" with lightsaber and Force power. The Empire Strikes back and Return of the Jedi is not written before A New Hope. Of course Lucas have ideas in his mind but not written yet. originally it was suggested that Han Solo dead sacrifice himself for Luke but Lucas rejected that idea because he want a romantic struggle between Luke and Han over Leia, if Han dead, who want to romance Leia in the end? Luke is supposed to be Leia's brother. Han Solo was never intended to return in Return of the Jedi. So Han got freeze in cryogenic instead of dead. So Return of Jedi have a scene where Leia infiltrate Jabba palace to free Han and establish romance.

i tell you, double blade lightsaber is never existed, it existed because the comic showing up this kind of lightsaber for Exar Kun in Expanded Universe, so Lucas thought it was cool. So the original double blade lightsaber is like in the comic that is single hilt with blades in both end. But the actor of Darth Maul cannot handle it properly, so they make it longer...there you got double blade lightsaber in Star Wars.Darth maul himself don't exist, but Lucas look at some Shaolin monks doing Kung Fu and get inspired by it.

It being written from beginning? Nope. It being in Lucas head before? Yes. It never written

Modifié par Qistina, 24 décembre 2013 - 03:37 .

[Hazegurl]

if at the end of the matrix everything reset to the first matrix, the machines put neo and everyone else back in their pods, agent smith is still in charge, and Neo is back to being some lone hacker as he was before then everything he chose to do is made irrelevant. Also, revolutions sucked.