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[wolfhowwl]

Yup. Justice was served.

[Texhnolyze101]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Yup. Justice was served.

I hope hes not permanently banned i like seeing hims post lol

[KainD]

M25105 wrote...
That removes the unique feel to the game, if the NPC can be sexed up by both males and females.

There is nothing unique in ones sex beyond the genitals. A male can be good looking and have high charisma, as a female can be a brute. 

[Kallimachus]

So basically you want bioware to be offensive to portions of their potential customers, because it makes you (and maybe a few other over privileged people like you) feel better? How is that even good business sense?
Oh, and for those who think "the witched did it right", for me the Witcher 2 felt as if CD Project Red took my money, then turned and spat in my face. I couldn't bring myself to finish the game, and probably never will.

Modifié par Kallimachus, 24 décembre 2013 - 10:12 .

[werewoof]

JimboGee wrote...

If any of this were true, I would have been able to tell Anders to **** off because I don't like ****s. Sadly not wanting to offend ****s and Muslims and all the other groups you only have to look at before they scream for the police, is what has caused this nightmare. EA is terrified of offending anybody. You see boys and girls, you cant have it both ways. You either get rid of political correctness or you don't. You cant say its ok in a video game but not ok in real life.

Personally I'd be chuffed if EA allowed us to tell the little fudge packers get lost. Sadly the reality is another outcome. How's you're political correctness stance feeling after reading this? I'll pick my verbal warning/ban up in the morning.

EDIT: they even filtered out the use of the F word? Your chances are zilch. How about queers can I use the word queers?

well this seems like a charming individual 

[werewoof]

Kallimachus wrote...

So basically want bioware to be offensive to portions of their potential customers, because it makes you (and maybe a few other over privileged people like you) feel better? How is that even good business sense?
Oh, and for those who think "the witched did it right", for me the Witcher 2 felt as if CD Project Red took my money, then turned and spat in my face. I couldn't bring myself to finish the game, and probably never will.

i'm pretty sure most gamer dudes' hard on for the witcher is uhhh

a bit more literal because there's a lot of ****** going on in that game

but yeah no, see, they let you be a bigot towards groups that are canonically oppressed but some of yall wanna be bigots towards groups that are only oppressed irl rather than in dragon age canon so one is lead to believe that you aren't actually doing it for some edgy narrative reason but just as an excuse to bash queer people and women 

just a slight little chance yeah

[wolfhowwl]

Kallimachus wrote...

So basically want bioware to be offensive to portions of their potential customers, because it makes you (and maybe a few other over privileged people like you) feel better? How is that even good business sense?
Oh, and for those who think "the witched did it right", for me the Witcher 2 felt as if CD Project Red took my money, then turned and spat in my face. I couldn't bring myself to finish the game, and probably never will.

What was so bad about the Witcher 2 (other than that combat)?

Anyways there should be offensive content like racial and religious bigotry in the game. The humans and Dalish in the setting are both frequently racist and I would expect a player character of that origin to be given the choice to continue that or rise above it.

I would also expect a player to be able to deny the Andrastrian faith or embrace it zealously to the point of branding others heathens/heretics.

As far as sexism would anybody be bothered by a comment like "combat is a man's job" (Arl Howe says something similar in Origins).

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 24 décembre 2013 - 10:17 .

[Tinu]

While I do want to see conflicts in Dragon Age. I don't think political incorrectness just for the sake of putting it in, is worth it. There hasn't been any homophobia in the games yet and I hope that will not change.

[Seboist]

TinuHawke wrote...

While I do want to see conflicts in Dragon Age. I don't think political incorrectness just for the sake of putting it in, is worth it. There hasn't been any homophobia in the games yet and I hope that will not change.

One can express disgust with the idea of homosexuality in a convo with Zevran in DA:O.

[vaire]

I suppose the people complaining about Anders and the rejection dialogue have never met Leliana. Maybe because I do not use the wiki, but I had to reject her two times and she gave me a -10.
Besides, being totally sincere, the thing didn't bother me at all since there are people who get overly attached and accept only a very blunt rejection.I do not really understand what those guys are complaining about.
Moreover: where do you see overly pc contents in Dragon Age? There are simply different categories being insulted/bashed/ killed, so, yes, you can be a racist loony; it's not a problem of roleplay. Quite the contrary: if you can't contextualize while role-playing you are the one roleplaying poorly. XD
For example: if in D&D you play a racist Drow female she will not hate the categories a usual real-life racist does, no?
Now you can tell me you want to be a new kind of racist/discriminator in the game since you.. miss real life racism (I guess)?
Fine: there are plenty of other games out there which you can play. More realistic ones, that do not include dragon, mages and monsters. Have fun!

[Cainhurst Crow]

We need to visit more dwarves and elvish places tbh, they knew how to fully embrace racism and sexism and show it right in your face. Dwarves especially.

[Chashan]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Kallimachus wrote...

So basically want bioware to be offensive to portions of their potential customers, because it makes you (and maybe a few other over privileged people like you) feel better? How is that even good business sense?
Oh, and for those who think "the witched did it right", for me the Witcher 2 felt as if CD Project Red took my money, then turned and spat in my face. I couldn't bring myself to finish the game, and probably never will.

What was so bad about the Witcher 2 (other than that combat)?

Anyways there should be offensive content like racial and religious bigotry in the game. The humans and Dalish in the setting are both frequently racist and I would expect a player character of that origin to be given the choice to continue that or rise above it.

I would also expect a player to be able to deny the Andrastrian faith or embrace it zealously to the point of branding others heathens/heretics.

As far as sexism would anybody be bothered by a comment like "combat is a man's job" (Arl Howe says something similar in Origins).

From what I gather, what broke Witcher 2 for Kallimachus was the handling of Dethmold, who, to him, is a homosexual first and a psychotic loon second, with the former feeding into the latter for effect.

Personally haven't played Roche's path yet - not certain if I ever will, since terrorist elven separatists are boss - but, from what it sounds like, it would not hurt to see these as two separate categories rather than intertwined.

[Tinu]

Seboist wrote...

TinuHawke wrote...

While I do want to see conflicts in Dragon Age. I don't think political incorrectness just for the sake of putting it in, is worth it. There hasn't been any homophobia in the games yet and I hope that will not change.

One can express disgust with the idea of homosexuality in a convo with Zevran in DA:O.

Can you direct me to that conversation, because I don't know which one you're talking about?  

[llandwynwyn]

TinuHawke wrote...

Seboist wrote...

TinuHawke wrote...

While I do want to see conflicts in Dragon Age. I don't think political incorrectness just for the sake of putting it in, is worth it. There hasn't been any homophobia in the games yet and I hope that will not change.

One can express disgust with the idea of homosexuality in a convo with Zevran in DA:O.

Can you direct me to that conversation, because I don't know which one you're talking about?  

It's the convo where he says he's bi and ask you if you've a problem with it.

[Dabrikishaw]

LupoCarlos wrote...

I got here to sit back and enjoy a PC-Console war.
Was not dissappointed.

[MisanthropePrime]

PC master race.

[Ridwan]

KainD wrote...

M25105 wrote...
That removes the unique feel to the game, if the NPC can be sexed up by both males and females.

There is nothing unique in ones sex beyond the genitals. A male can be good looking and have high charisma, as a female can be a brute. 

This is exactly what I'm talking about. We don't need more chicks with dicks, where there is no difference at all. Men and women are different, it's not rocket science and that difference goes beyond genitals.

[KainD]

M25105 wrote...

This is exactly what I'm talking about. We don't need more chicks with dicks, where there is no difference at all. Men and women are different, it's not rocket science and that difference goes beyond genitals.

The difference is miniscule and practically non-existant if both are brought up in the same enviroment with the same atitutude. 

[Angrywolves]

Guns wrote...

Game companies should make games based on their core audience that are already fans and get new consumers by positive word of mouth, something that's a lot easier to do now with the internet. Trying to make a game for all different groups results in a pile of crap like Dragon Age 2, that just ****** off existing fans and don't work in converting a large amount over rpgs.

eh reluctantly I agree.

M25105 said: " chicks with dicks,".

A priceless comment.

wolfhowll said:

"Plaintiff's rage will be have to be impotent as he was forcibly escorted off the premises by the mods"

He lacked prudence.Have to know when to say mea culpa and let the mods have their way, even when they are wrong.

Modifié par Angrywolves, 24 décembre 2013 - 04:33 .

[In Exile]

Sopa de Gato wrote...

"So, Branka's gone off her rocker and has been turning what's left of her house into Darkspawn. Did I mention the women get fed Darkspawn flesh, and turned into horrible abominations to breed more Darkspawn? Oh, by the way, we were also lovers."

You've convinced me. When a writer tries to show how morally depraved a person is, saying they abandoned their lover to certain rape and mutilation is not relevant at all. 

[Sith Grey Warden]

KainD wrote...

M25105 wrote...

This is exactly what I'm talking about. We don't need more chicks with dicks, where there is no difference at all. Men and women are different, it's not rocket science and that difference goes beyond genitals.

The difference is miniscule and practically non-existant if both are brought up in the same enviroment with the same atitutude. 

I wouldn't go that far. Recent studies have found things like that men and women physiologically react differently to things like a baby's cry due to hormonal differences.

[In Exile]

Sith Grey Warden wrote...
I wouldn't go that far. Recent studies have found things like that men and women physiologically react differently to things like a baby's cry due to hormonal differences.

But that doesn't address the socialization problem. Even if we assume that every gender difference is 100% social, there should still be biological differences in things like "reaction to stimuli" because people are trained to react differently. 

So, for example, my mechnical make-up is a lot different when I'm stressed (and the physical effects of stress are triggered by hormones) but the things which stress me out are - to a degeree - dependent on culture.

[Zatche]

KainD wrote...

M25105 wrote...

This is exactly what I'm talking about. We don't need more chicks with dicks, where there is no difference at all. Men and women are different, it's not rocket science and that difference goes beyond genitals.

The difference is miniscule and practically non-existant if both are brought up in the same enviroment with the same atitutude. 

Exactly.

It's true there are trends that genders tend to follow regarding personality and skill, which has a lot to do with upbringing and society's expectations. That doesn't mean that bioware's characters have to follow them or that the PCs should be restricted by them.

Real people certainly aren't restricted. I for one am a straight heterosexual male who has been known to occasionally bat my eyelashes at people to get what I want.

Modifié par Zatche, 24 décembre 2013 - 04:45 .

[Afro_Explosion]

Angrywolves wrote...

Guns wrote...

Game companies should make games based on their core audience that are already fans and get new consumers by positive word of mouth, something that's a lot easier to do now with the internet. Trying to make a game for all different groups results in a pile of crap like Dragon Age 2, that just ****** off existing fans and don't work in converting a large amount over rpgs.

eh reluctantly I agree.

M25105 said: " chicks with dicks,".

A priceless comment.

wolfhowll said:

"Plaintiff's rage will be have to be impotent as he was forcibly escorted off the premises by the mods"

He lacked prudence.Have to know when to say mea culpa and let the mods have their way, even when they are wrong.

Is it too late to have a party?

[Kallimachus]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Kallimachus wrote...

So basically want bioware to be offensive to portions of their potential customers, because it makes you (and maybe a few other over privileged people like you) feel better? How is that even good business sense?
Oh, and for those who think "the witched did it right", for me the Witcher 2 felt as if CD Project Red took my money, then turned and spat in my face. I couldn't bring myself to finish the game, and probably never will.

What was so bad about the Witcher 2 (other than that combat)?

Go see my two posts on the twitter thread from yesterday.

They didn't even try to make excuses like "that's only the opinion of this character" (bogus as those are unavoidably), the game treats homosexuality as unsettling, abnormal, a mark of depravity (if not the depravity itself), and so deserving of death (and not just by implication, the servants wails of "Have mercy, He made me do it!" pretty much says it all)