Greylycantrope wrote...
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Kallimachus wrote...
Go see my two posts on the twitter thread from yesterday.
They didn't even try to make excuses like "that's only the opinion of this character" (bogus as those are unavoidably), the game treats homosexuality as unsettling, abnormal, a mark of depravity (if not the depravity itself), and so deserving of death (and not just by implication, the servants wails of "Have mercy, He made me do it!" pretty much says it all)
Is it really that bad? I am unfamiliar with the Witcher games.
It's easy to see it that way but not quite the case, the character in question was rather depraved and trecherous person that just happened to be gay but the reason he was killed wasn't because he was depraved but because he cause the deaths of several other characters. In fact we don't even find out he's gay until literally the scene in which he gets murdered but that was way after he was already shown to be a complete bastard. The "have mercy" bit is just the servant saying he has no particular loyalty to the guy despite being caught in bed with him, so he doesn't wouldn't get murdered as well since the whole affair is supposed to be covert.
Here's the essence of what happens and the context for it:
"The sorcerer was Henselt's creature in full, a lackey who served his master in any way possible.
This included tracking real and imagined spies and thwarting conspiracies on the monarch's life. He was also among those chiefly responsible for the deaths of Vernon's men, whose grisly demise Henselt himself had ordered.
Dethmold fled, unwilling to risk a clash with the witcher. It proved a sound decision, which bought him a bit more time in this life.
Their next meeting proved to be their last, as Dethmold died at the hands of the vengeful Roche.
Geralt never revealed the details of the sorcerer's demise. I've concluded that it must have been quite savage, though I would prefer to hope that Vernon's threats had been but figures of speech..."
Really though he's not the only depraved villain in the series he's just the only one that happens to be gay as well.
That is an entirely misleading representation of that character. He was designed from the beginning with every gay stereotype imaginable. His voice was effeminate, his movements were effeminate, and the game's devs specifically said they chose that kind of voice for him because they wanted to make him "unsettling". So while it is true his homosexuality isn't
confirmed until his death scene, you'd have to be death and blind not to suspect it earlier. It's true that Dethmold is not a nice man, and that he does some terrible things during the game, but his homosexuality cannot be seen as "incidental". Especially in his death scene (in which he is castrated and has his genitals stuffed in his mouth, no less) every stereotype of the "depraved homosexual" is brought to the fore. He forces his servents to have sex with him, he talks about fashion while popping his zits in front of the mirror, the walls of his room are decorated with S/M and torture paraphenalia, really, the entire scene is meant for you to say "look at that despicable ****got!" (yes, I know this word will be censored, and rightly so), be disgusted with him, and rejoice in the more than "symbolic" manner of his execution. His homosexuality is MEANT to be seen as a complementary part of Dethmold's depravity, and an enhancing element of it. The fact that the naked servant then wails "Have mercy, he made me do it!" clearly refers to homosexual sex. Can you think of ANYTHING else it could refer to? The servant obviously feels that if he is thought to be gay, it would be justifiable for him to be killed.
And here's another quote for you:
"Comments about Dethmold from the CDPR developers Jan Bartkowicz (Story Writer), Artur Sliwinski, (Story Writer), Arkadiusz Borowik (Story Writer) and Jan Marek (Concept Artist) taken from the "Dev Diary 3:
Sorcerer Dethmold is one of the more distinctive characters in the Witcher 2. One of the more distinctive, and one of the most despicable too. Dethmold, one of the witcher's opponents, is a wind mage. We thought hard on how should he look to become synonymous with that element. We dressed him… warmly. His entire neck. As if he lived in a constant draught. And we gave him a staff with a rooster weathervane usually found on roofs. Dialogues with this guy are generally wacky, because Dethmold is… Dethmold is so… unsettling, I should think. We were lookingfor an appropriate voiceover for Dethmold for a long time. We wanted him to be a guy whose voice sends shivers down your spine, signalling something is way off."
The only reason for his voice to send "shivers down your spine" is if you are repulsed by a man speaking in an oily effeminate voice, which is a gay stereotype.
(btw, this quote is taken from Dethmold's entry in the Witcher wiki)
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