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[spirosz]

TipsLeFedora wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

TipsLeFedora wrote...

If the follow the same philosophy as DA:I then I will be excited.

What do yah mean?

Multiple races,more reactivity from the classes and enviroments and the psuedo open world. I think it would be grand if they did that.

Yeah that, which is what I meant, not Jack - sorry.  Oh Jack Oh Jack, can I have you back? 

[Sir DeLoria]

Michotic wrote...
Keeping any races around 'canonizes' endings. Some games ended with the extinction of one (or multiple) races. If these races make an appearance, it renders those choices invalid.

"Oh hey, we're a group of <alien> that split from our main species group, and we restarted our culture," is another cop out. If they are planning on expanding on what happened at the end of ME3, I think they're in for a real challenge because each of the endings creates a much different galaxy, not to mention the choices made over the course of this trilogy.

The only species that certainly and completely go extinct depending on Shep's choices are the Geth and Rachni. Not all Quarians lived on the Migrant fleet, it will take centuries for the Krogan to go extinct, many Hanar, Elcor and Drell must've survived their planets being overrun. It's not really a cop out.

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Except the geth being around canonizes control.

You are free to dislike the endings. But sticking your head in the sand and ignoring them isn't only stupid, its bad writing to completely ignore the consequences of them in succeeding games.

He's not asking for anyone to stick his head in the sand. He's merely trying to decanonize all existing endings snd canonize MEHEM in their place.

Please don't put words in my mouth.  You're not very good at it.

I'm saying don't canonize any endings.  Don't even try to follow up on any of them.  Let the endings be the endings

Let the start of the next ME game be the start of something else.  Break the chain.  Let it be its own thing. 

Modifié par iakus, 26 décembre 2013 - 03:05 .

[spirosz]

Iakus, Iakus why are you still so sad about the endings? Do you not feel your soul bending? Is it not enough that these colours intertwine with you, but remember there is only one, the one blue.

[Michotic]

Necanor wrote...

Michotic wrote...
Keeping any races around 'canonizes' endings. Some games ended with the extinction of one (or multiple) races. If these races make an appearance, it renders those choices invalid.

"Oh hey, we're a group of <alien> that split from our main species group, and we restarted our culture," is another cop out. If they are planning on expanding on what happened at the end of ME3, I think they're in for a real challenge because each of the endings creates a much different galaxy, not to mention the choices made over the course of this trilogy.

The only species that certainly and completely go extinct depending on Shep's choices are the Geth and Rachni. Not all Quarians lived on the Migrant fleet, it will take centuries for the Krogan to go extinct, many Hanar, Elcor and Drell must've survived their planets being overrun. It's not really a cop out.

That depends on how many are left. For the most part, Quarians not currently in the fleet are on Pilgramage, and those that were had been recalled. Did some stay away from the fleet? I wouldn't doubt it. Enough to sustain a viable population? Also extremely doubtful. If there was ever any indication that a large population of Quarians existed somewhere besides the Migrant Fleet, I'd be more of a mind they could survive getting obliterated by the Geth.

As for just how many would be required to sustain a viable population, I'm not sure (not my area of expertise). I do know it would take a lot. I would not discount the possibility of people having Quarian ancestry, I'm not seeing the Quarians able to recover from nearly all of their race dying.

[We'll bang okay]

iakus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Except the geth being around canonizes control.

You are free to dislike the endings. But sticking your head in the sand and ignoring them isn't only stupid, its bad writing to completely ignore the consequences of them in succeeding games.

He's not asking for anyone to stick his head in the sand. He's merely trying to decanonize all existing endings snd canonize MEHEM in their place.

Plese don't put words in my mouth.  You're not very good at it.

I'm saying don't canonize any endings.  Dn't even try to follo wup on any of them.  Let the endings be the endings

Let the start of the next ME game be the start of something else.  Break the chain.  Let it be its own thing. 

100% agree about breaking the chain but the Quarians could rebulid the geth i don't know i don't rember the endings but just saying 

[Michotic]

iakus wrote...

Plese don't put words in my mouth.  You're not very good at it.

I'm saying don't canonize any endings.  Dn't even try to follo wup on any of them.  Let the endings be the endings

Let the start of the next ME game be the start of something else.  Break the chain.  Let it be its own thing. 

I also want a brand new story. I would be very interested to see how this plays out. Don't try to continue after ME3 in any way, shape, or form.

[spirosz]

I will my Ampz up to eleven, just for you, oh Iakus.

[Iakus]

Morocco Mole wrote...
You cannot make a sequel without addressing the endings. It is impossible. So unless you want endless prequels and midquels that do nothing but create more bad retcons then you are going to have to live with the endings or give up on the franchise.

Is Neverwinter Nights a sequel to Baldur's Gate?

[spirosz]

Morocco Mole wrote...

iakus wrote...
I'm saying don't canonize any endings.  Dn't even try to follo wup on any of them.  Let the endings be the endings

Let the start of the next ME game be the start of something else.  Break the chain.  Let it be its own thing. 

You cannot make a sequel without addressing the endings. It is impossible. So unless you want endless prequels and midquels that do nothing but create more bad retcons then you are going to have to live with the endings or give up on the franchise.

Yep.  Might as well just sprinkle some canon dust on them and deal with it.  

[Sir DeLoria]

Michotic wrote...
That depends on how many are left. For the most part, Quarians not currently in the fleet are on Pilgramage, and those that were had been recalled. Did some stay away from the fleet? I wouldn't doubt it. Enough to sustain a viable population? Also extremely doubtful. If there was ever any indication that a large population of Quarians existed somewhere besides the Migrant Fleet, I'd be more of a mind they could survive getting obliterated by the Geth.
As for just how many would be required to sustain a viable population, I'm not sure (not my area of expertise). I do know it would take a lot. I would not discount the possibility of people having Quarian ancestry, I'm not seeing the Quarians able to recover from nearly all of their race dying.

Only about 99% of the Quarian galactic population lived aboard the migrant fleet, that means that tens of thousands of Quarians certainly survived Rannoch. It's also highly unlikely, that the entire migrant fleet was utterly whiped out. What about the Quarian forces and civilians that were on ground when it happend? What about escape pods? While the number of survivors would be insignificant on a grand scale, it would certainly be enough to maintain a large, healthy population(a community perhaps the size of Lichtenstein).

Modifié par Necanor, 26 décembre 2013 - 03:15 .

[spirosz]

iakus wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...
You cannot make a sequel without addressing the endings. It is impossible. So unless you want endless prequels and midquels that do nothing but create more bad retcons then you are going to have to live with the endings or give up on the franchise.

Is Neverwinter Nights a sequel to Baldur's Gate?

what. 

[AlanC9]

iakus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
He's not asking for anyone to stick his head in the sand. He's merely trying to decanonize all existing endings snd canonize MEHEM in their place.

Please don't put words in my mouth.  You're not very good at it.

I didn't do that. I addressed the substance of your position. MEHEM would be compatible with the future ME4 canon  you're promoting, while the existing endings would not be.

You can describe your position in any terms you wish, but don't pretend that your preferred ME4 canon doesn't favor your preferred ME3 ending. 

[Sebby]

There's already a canon in place with the Reapers fully intact in all endings and the Earth being made the de-facto galactic capital.

The fates of any particular species won't be an issue as we've seen with a renegade import of the Rachni decision in 3.

[AlanC9]

Morocco Mole wrote...

iakus wrote...

Is Neverwinter Nights a sequel to Baldur's Gate?

They share the same setting. But no. I do not consider them sequels.

Baldur's Gate also doesn't end with radical galaxy altering events.

Right. IIRC, Cyric holds on to Bhaal's portfolio even if the Bhaalspawn embraces divinity, and without any worshippers to start with the Bhaalspawn won't have much of a power base for a while. Long-term there might be some upheaval coming, but in the short term nothing that happened in the BG games would matter.

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

I didn't do that. I addressed the substance of your position. MEHEM would be compatible with the future ME4 canon  you're promoting, while the existing endings would not be.

You can describe your position in any terms you wish, but don't pretend that your preferred ME4 canon doesn't favor your preferred ME3 ending. 

Then you might as well say my preferred ME4 canon would favor IT, Synthesis where they learn to turn the green lights off, Control where the Shepalyst leaves everyone alone, and Destroy where they fix the geth,


And they simply don't talk about the Reaper War.

[AlanC9]

iakus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
You can describe your position in any terms you wish, but don't pretend that your preferred ME4 canon doesn't favor your preferred ME3 ending. 

Then you might as well say my preferred ME4 canon would favor IT, Synthesis where they learn to turn the green lights off, Control where the Shepalyst leaves everyone alone, and Destroy where they fix the geth,

And they simply don't talk about the Reaper War.

Like I said, describe it any way you like. 

But really, after spending all this time talking about how MEHEM is the only thing that makes ME3 playable for you, you come along and propose an ME4 canon that just happens to be completely compatible with MEHEM and incompatible with the existing endings unless Bio massively retcons stuff? Pull the other one.

Modifié par AlanC9, 26 décembre 2013 - 03:50 .