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[Iakus]

[quote]AlanC9 wrote...

Then you might as well say my preferred ME4 canon would favor IT, Synthesis where they learn to turn the green lights off, Control where the Shepalyst leaves everyone alone, and Destroy where they fix the geth,

And they simply don't talk about the Reaper War.
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Like I said, describe it any way you like. It doesn't particularly matter which fan-fiction ending you want to say you're favoring.

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At least my way favors any ending, as long as it isn't too intrusive on anyone else's

Your way either trivializes all of them (while saying "choices matter") or canonizes one narrow outcome and tells everyone else to go frak themselves.

[Iakus]

Morocco Mole wrote...

People not talking about the war that resulted in billions of deaths and changed the entire galaxy is like expecting the entire world to stop talking about WW2 at its end.

If we're expected to believe people can come back from teh dead with enough "resources" or that the galaxy can build a box of space magic without havin g a clue what it does, conveniently forgetting about a galactic war is child's play.

[Iakus]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Your way favors bad writing that constricts any possible stories that can be told. I would rather go with a canon ending that makes a few people angry because their choices 'don't matter' rather than having to deal with Bioware ignoring the Elephant in the room.

My way favors getting out form under bad writing and frees the writers to pursue new stories without being shackled by the baggage of the previous trilogy.

[AlanC9]

iakus wrote...
At least my way favors any ending, as long as it isn't too intrusive on anyone else's

Your way either trivializes all of them (while saying "choices matter") or canonizes one narrow outcome and tells everyone else to go frak themselves.

No. My way tells everyone that their Shepards made real choices, and the sequel is set in one particular future that one particular Shepard created.

I think the real substance is that I want the morally conflicted nature of the ME3 choices to remain part of the ME universe. You want the ME universe rewritten so that this isn't part of the universe.

Baggage is a good thing.

Modifié par AlanC9, 26 décembre 2013 - 04:25 .

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

No. My way tells everyone that their Shepards made real choices, and the sequel is set in one particular future that one particular Shepard created.

I think the real substance is that I want the morally conflicted nature of the ME3 choices to remain part of the ME universe. You want the ME universe rewritten so that this isn't part of the universe.

Baggage is a good thing.

Well, except for the fact that Bioware tried to remove all the moral conflict of the endings ("Don't worry, no matter what you chose, everything turned out just peachy!") even if it did stink of a desperate whitewash.

In any event,  what's wrong with choosing an a particular future that doesn't match anyone's ending?  How about a future where Shepard was the one wounde don teh beam run, and Liara met the Catalyst?  Or James?  Or Javik?

How about a future where the Crucible did something other than teh three choices?  One where it rendered all eezo inert, for example?  (fuscia ending?)

An ending where TIM died at Cronos Station, and the Citadel was never moved to Earth, leading to a very different Catalyst meeting.

Why are you limiting yourself to "canon" endings if all our Shepards "made real choices" but not everyone's choices get to be honored?  If you're going to ignore some people's chocies, why not ignore everyone's choices? 

[Mcfly616]

Canonize this. Trivialize that....




Just let the Shepard Trilogy stand on it's own as a self-contained story and move on.

[Iakus]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Canonize this. Trivialize that....




Just let the Shepard Trilogy stand on it's own as a self-contained story and move on.

That's my preference.  Others, apparantly are addicted to this whole "import" nonsense.

[Mcfly616]

iakus wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Canonize this. Trivialize that....




Just let the Shepard Trilogy stand on it's own as a self-contained story and move on.

That's my preference.  Others, apparantly are addicted to this whole "import" nonsense.

well, there's so many ways they can go with it. I just feel like this is the most logical. After all, it's not going to have any "connection to Shepard, whatsoever". Though, if I had to choose between canonization and importation, I'll take imports everyday.

[Mcfly616]

StreetMagic wrote...

Import sounds impossible. Completely impossible. Unless IT is true. It's not just "baggage", but a mountain of consequences now.

I disagree. But that's just me.

[Darks1d3]

Agreed. There are too many choices in ME3 to write around that I just don't see how Bioware could do it. You can kill off the geth, quarians, racni, and the krogan. Not to mention the endings themselves. I just don't see Bioware including an import option for ME4(or whatever it's going to be called.)

Modifié par Darks1d3, 26 décembre 2013 - 05:23 .

[Clips7]

I think with the endings bioware have kinda backed themselves in a corner. With the way in how liara describes what happens, it seems as if the the actual time span in which she is speaking from is like as if those events happened at least 20 or 30 years ago.

The concept that bioware had in having folks make their own choices was fully realized to a point in all of the games, but the endings even tho they were a bit more fully fleshed out, syill could have been better considering the scope and the whole mystery behind the reaper themselves.

I think they have to go with an ending and run with it. the story of the reapers and the whole universe being at stake cannot be ignored or told with a sugarcoated afterthought. Pick a canon ending and let the series take off from there. Let there be a new threat while everybody is still rebuilding and just create another interesting lead character and interesting side characters.

Let shepard die since his story has been told and just give us a new storyline. You are not going to be able to please everybody and if you do try to please everybody the storyline itself will suffer for it.

[NeonFlux117]

Oh yeah, plenty to be excited for.

I mean, think about it. The mass effect universe set in the backdrop of Frostbite 3.0. If nothing else, the game will be eye candy to the max.

Plus, I really, really liked the ME3 MP, I've got like 100 hours in it or something. I really liked it. And I think the next game will be heavily focused on the MP, and make it more dynamic. I'm looking forward to seeing what they're gonna do with it. It's got a high ceiling in terms of MP potential.

In terms of the SP....

Like I've said. Sequel or bust. Shepard or bust. Really, that's the only way they could get me to care about the SP too much. BioWare will never. EVER. NEVER make a better protagonist than Shepard. And they will never make better characters than the crew of the Normandy and Mass Effect 1,2 and 3.

Shepard's story was "interpretive" and "speculative" for a reason.

BioWare will return to the Shepard saga. It may not be the next game. But they'll go back to him/her.

Kinda like Mirco$oft did with good ole' Spartan 117.......

But Frostbite and the return and expansion of the ME3 MP suite for the next game got me pretty excited. I mean not ME3 excited. I'd say that was probably a 10/10 for me on the hype-ometer, with the next game I'm at like a 6 maybe a 7. Still interested in where BW will take the series.

[NeonFlux117]

StreetMagic wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Like I've said. Sequel or bust. Shepard or bust. Really, that's the only way they could get me to care about the SP too much. BioWare will never. EVER. NEVER make a better protagonist than Shepard. And they will never make better characters than the crew of the Normandy and Mass Effect 1,2 and 3.

Shepard's story was "interpretive" and "speculative" for a reason.

BioWare will return to the Shepard saga. It may not be the next game. But they'll go back to him/her.

Kinda like Mirco$oft did with good ole' Spartan 117.......

I think they can try and test the "market" for other things, but yeah, I think they'd stupid to not revisit somehow. Not just Shepard, but this crew. It's lame to squander all of it. I'll be semi-curious in seeing their various attempts to "escape" from Shepard though.

Exactly. They really can't escape from Characters and a protagonist as Iconic as Shepard. 

You know, other big franchises have tried. 

Halo.
Metal Gear. 
Resident Evil

They always come back to the main guys and stuff. Master Chief. Snake. Leon. 

You cannot escape. 

Shepard, you cannot escape your destiny... Flee while you can 

[dreamgazer]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

BioWare will never. EVER. NEVER make a better protagonist than Shepard.

LOLwut?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

That's a pretty subjective statement.

IMO, it's true, along with Revan, but it's also due to part of the inherent nature of Shepard being at least a somewhat clean slate for players to inflect whatever they want onto him. So while Shepard might not be the best actual protagonist made by BW, my idea of my Shepard can be.

[NeonFlux117]

dreamgazer wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

BioWare will never. EVER. NEVER make a better protagonist than Shepard.

LOLwut?

Um, just what I said. I welcome their attempt tho. Played all types of shepards. Shepard is awesome, every type of shepard.. There's a reason why Shepard is reguarded as one of the greatest heros in gaming history along side Master Chief, Nathan Drake, Cloud, Kratos (he's a hero, just close you eyes real hard, lol), Gordon Freeman, Geralt of Rivia, Dante, Leon S. Kennedy, and so on and so on. Shepard is a gaming icon. It is what it is. 

Although... Garrus is way cooler than everybody on that list. 

Except maybe Solid Snake.. And Drake. Mabye. Master chief is boss too. 

[Sebby]

Morocco Mole wrote...

But seriously. Shepard is a bland, boring character that has no personality at all and easily replaceable by another bland, boring Bioware protagonist that the fandom will attach themselves too with their headcanons.

Not to mention his repeated displays of low IQ("we fight or we die that's the plan") and not showing the slightest bit of anything kind of genuine leadership or knowledge of tactics.

I'm not kidding when i say that I've seen teenage youngsters in JRPGs behave more like a special forces crew than Shepard and his team of weekend LARPers.