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[MDCT506]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

MDCT506 wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

MDCT506 wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...
Haters gonna hate. Qunari gonna Qunari

Many people who fled their countries due to political struggle still keep their traditions and cultures, so it's expected for those Qunari to pass on their cultures and languages to their children. They may not like how their government has become, but their culture is still theirs. 

My grantparents on my mother's side are off the boat immigrants from a fishing village in China.  You know what they named their four children who were born in america?  Sally, James, Thomas, and Larry.  Adherence to the original culture or acceptance of the new local culture is a bigger factor than point of origin of the previous generation. 

That's why I didn't say everyone. Many people did and many people didn't, but it's too narrow-minded to assume that everyone would be willingly and gleefully assimilate into the new culture they're in, especially if the locals are prejudice against them.

With respect, I didn't say that they should assimilate into the new culture, or to what degree, but saying that it is "expected" to carry on naming conventions is also narrow-minded.  My family still happily practices many traditional chinese cultural elements, but that doesn't mean we have to name our children accordingly. 

I never say that they should name their children based on their mothertongue language or their adopted language for that matter since it's more about personal decision. My post was simply to point out that many families still keep their cultures and even passing those cultures to their children, so it's not unexpected for the offspring (In this case, the Qunari inquisitor) to still know the language or even the culture in which they come from. Whether they have the Qunari name or a different name is simply based on how you roleplay your game.

In that case, I'd say I agree with you. 

[TribolMan]

Rebel Wolf wrote...

I hope they give use non horn options.
I want my Saarebas to be a special snowflake

So non qunari qunari/kossith/big horny people/whatever you feel like calling them shouldnt know the qunari langage if they were not raised in the qun but you just used a qunari word to describe your non qunari oxman

[werewoof]

Rebel Wolf wrote...

Darth.They already have a last name.
You could use names like Hakon Or Wulfgar.

well sure but what if i just want to use a name from qunlat because it sounds cool with my big scary qunari mage?

you're entitled to your opinion about everyon'es choice of name but i still don't see why it warrants a thread. so people might be using creative liberties with some of the canon, who cares? could name your inquisitor Coca-Cola for all i care

[Thomas Andresen]

MDCT506 wrote...

Rebel Wolf wrote...

Darth.They already have a last name.
You could use names like Hakon Or Wulfgar.

I wonder how that would work as far as qunlat is concerned.  I was under the impression that Qunari didn't have family units or identifiers beyond the name of their role in society, so I figured surnames were simply unnecessary and as far as I know unused. 

That doesn't have to apply to Qunari who doesn't follow the Qun, you know.

[Rebel Wolf]

tiktac wrote...

Rebel Wolf wrote...

Darth.They already have a last name.
You could use names like Hakon Or Wulfgar.

well sure but what if i just want to use a name from qunlat because it sounds cool with my big scary qunari mage?

you're entitled to your opinion about everyon'es choice of name but i still don't see why it warrants a thread. so people might be using creative liberties with some of the canon, who cares? could name your inquisitor Coca-Cola for all i care

Because I wanted peoples opinions on the matter obviously.
And to the other person I like the word Saarebas it's badass.
And I want to avoid whining rants.

Modifié par Rebel Wolf, 24 décembre 2013 - 11:44 .

[Spectre slayer]

Sigh, Kossith was never the name of the race of grey horned or hornless giants even though some people keep saying otherwise. In fact it was the name of their culture that predated the conversion to the Qun like 300+ years ago and the term isn't known or used by anyone in Thedas besides some Tamassran and some priests.

A Qunari born away from the Qun will refer to themselves as Qunari which was confirmedby David Gaider, they don't have a race name nor did they previously that we know of, also you don't need to know tthe Qunlat to use the words in it.

If they were born out of the Qun, and didn't even know enough about the Qun to call themselves Tal-Vashoth, they answer: "Yes." Because they are indeed Qunari, insofar as they know.

http://social.biowar...ndex/17580040/7

[Rebel Wolf]

Wow,you post that a lot.
They already put it in the game that tal vashoth aren't qunari,so are they retconning that or pretending it was never said?
It's hilarious that a writer could say "Hey,dwarves never existed all dwarves in previous games were heresay"
And you would believe it cause a writer said it.

Modifié par Rebel Wolf, 24 décembre 2013 - 11:49 .

[werewoof]

Rebel Wolf wrote...

tiktac wrote...

Rebel Wolf wrote...

Darth.They already have a last name.
You could use names like Hakon Or Wulfgar.

well sure but what if i just want to use a name from qunlat because it sounds cool with my big scary qunari mage?

you're entitled to your opinion about everyon'es choice of name but i still don't see why it warrants a thread. so people might be using creative liberties with some of the canon, who cares? could name your inquisitor Coca-Cola for all i care

Because I wanted peoples opinions on the matter obviously.
And to the other person I like the word Saarebas it's badass.
And I want to avoid whining rants.

saarebas is a pretty badass word. 

personally i don't care what people name their characters but i think deciding on names for our qunari might be a little easier once we know the origin story we'll be getting for them. i doubt it'll happen but i wish mine could be a saarebas that escaped somehow and went into mercenary work or something.

[Karlone123]

Biggest mistake from Bioware? Creating the the trivial term "Kossith" that has in no doubt introduced a new way for people to waste time and further destroy any fun in debating.

[Rebel Wolf]

And I now want an inquisitor called Coca-Cola darn you bsn!

Modifié par Rebel Wolf, 24 décembre 2013 - 11:51 .

[Battlebloodmage]

Rebel Wolf wrote...

Wow,you post that a lot.
They already put it in the game that tal vashoth aren't qunari,so are they retconning that or pretending it was never said?
It's hilarious that a writer could say "Hey,dwarves never existed all dwarves in previous games were heresay"
And you would believe it cause a writer said it.

If you are talking about Sten, he stated that "They wear the faces of Qunari but they are Tal'vashoth, fiends of Saharon. They have abandoned the Qun." It sounds like he said that their features look like the Qunari race, but they're not because they have abandon the doctrine. It's like someone may have been from a Jewish family, but he's not a Jewish religiously if he's an atheist, for example.

[Rebel Wolf]

Smh.
You might want to listen to Tallis as well.
But we were talking about names.
It would be very frustrating to me if our Kossith didn't have any background.
I remember making stories up in my head about the amell warden in origins only to have them tell something diffrent in DA2.
I still don't get why he was in ferelden at all...

Modifié par Rebel Wolf, 25 décembre 2013 - 12:03 .

[Battlebloodmage]

Don't remember clearly, but the only instance come to mind is when she corrects Hawke for calling a Qunari a Qunari instead of Tal-Vashoth which then goes back to my original point.

[Silfren]

Rebel Wolf wrote...

But considering how qunari culture is not many outsiders but scholars or tal vashoth would know the language.
It's not like they teach it to outsiders.

You're still assuming that Qunlat is restricted to the religion for some reason; you're not even allowing for the likelihood that the language of Qunlat predates the Qun.  What, did you think that the creator of the Qun religion developed a language to go along with it, as opposed to simply using the language he already knew?

[Silfren]

tiktac wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Yes because everyone would just love to see the adventures of Jacob Smithson, the horned giant grey humanoid. 

It's more the fun to have a cool sounding name then one thats bland and fits. That's why I named my warden Terminator Cousland, because its just so much more fun then trying to pick something like robert or john.

Chance Cousland was what i named one of mine. i just like giving my characters fun names. what's the matter with some creative freedom?

i named one of my male hawkes "Jewel" because it was a fun name and it makes it sort of make more sense as to why he goes by his last name.

I named my favorite Hawke Kestrel.  She prefers it to Hawke but can't convince people to use it for some reason.

[Rebel Wolf]

Silfren wrote...

Rebel Wolf wrote...

But considering how qunari culture is not many outsiders but scholars or tal vashoth would know the language.
It's not like they teach it to outsiders.

You're still assuming that Qunlat is restricted to the religion for some reason; you're not even allowing for the likelihood that the language of Qunlat predates the Qun.  What, did you think that the creator of the Qun religion developed a language to go along with it, as opposed to simply using the language he already knew?

What???
THe langauge was probably what the qunari were speaking before they found the qun,therefor not many would know it.

[Spectre slayer]

Rebel Wolf wrote...

Wow,you post that a lot.
They already put it in the game that tal vashoth aren't qunari,so are they retconning that or pretending it was never said?
It's hilarious that a writer could say "Hey,dwarves never existed all dwarves in previous games were heresay"
And you would believe it cause a writer said it.

What are you talking about? You do know that a Tal'Vashoth is a Qunari that breaks the Qun and is violent, who are most likely the former soldiers's, also if they are non violent than they are called Vashoth.

Again a Qunari born completely outside of the Qun with no knowledge of it or of what a Tal'Vashoth or a Vashoth is will refer to themselves as a Qunari and it's officially the racial identifier that almost everyone uses, no retconing at all just people mistakenly believing some codex entries as fact even though we've never seen or heard it in game other than there.

Hmm not going to respond to the rest.

[In Exile]

Silfren wrote...
You're still assuming that Qunlat is restricted to the religion for some reason; you're not even allowing for the likelihood that the language of Qunlat predates the Qun.  What, did you think that the creator of the Qun religion developed a language to go along with it, as opposed to simply using the language he already knew?

Even if the language is tied to the religion, that doesn't mean that expats from the society or the religion won't keep speaking it. Just because someone is an atheist doesn't mean they can't speak Yiddish (or Hebrew) as an IRL example. 

Modifié par In Exile, 25 décembre 2013 - 12:07 .

[Silfren]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Rebel Wolf wrote...

So I started a naming thread and a lot of people are using the qunari langauge for names.
How would a kossith raised outside the qun even know that langauge.

That seems like an odd question.  Is it really that hard to understand that the language of qunlat isn't restricted to only those who practice the Qun?  You don't have to be Jewish to know Hebrew; you don't have to be Catholic to know Latin, and you don't have to be Muslim to know Arabic.

To add to your argument, there are more than plenty examples of names having an origin in a certain language, and means something in that language, and is used by people who have barely heard of the language.

Just because a player wants to name their Qunari character something because of what the word means, it doesn't have to mean that the character will know the meaning of it.

Pretty much.  My first name is French in origin, but there's no French ancestry in my background to be had.  We're all a bunch of Irish-descent folks with the odd indigenous bit of American blood thrown in.  I dunno why my parents didn't choose to name me something more Irish-y.

[Rebel Wolf]

Um,no Vasoth means "grey" and the prefix "tal" means "true," hence Tal-Vashoth meaning "True Grey" [/color] ,nothing about violence.
I very much doubt he still calls himself qunari.

Modifié par Rebel Wolf, 25 décembre 2013 - 12:15 .

[Silfren]

Rebel Wolf wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Rebel Wolf wrote...

But considering how qunari culture is not many outsiders but scholars or tal vashoth would know the language.
It's not like they teach it to outsiders.

You're still assuming that Qunlat is restricted to the religion for some reason; you're not even allowing for the likelihood that the language of Qunlat predates the Qun.  What, did you think that the creator of the Qun religion developed a language to go along with it, as opposed to simply using the language he already knew?

What???
THe langauge was probably what the qunari were speaking before they found the qun,therefor not many would know it.

Re: the underlined bit, that's EXACTLY what I said.  But it doesn't follow that therefore not many would know it.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I still say "Horned Guy/Horned Girl" is the best name for a qunari inquisitor.

[Rebel Wolf]

How would they have learned it?
Would the Qunari teach it to outsiders?

[Battlebloodmage]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I still say "Horned Guy/Horned Girl" is the best name for a qunari inquisitor.

Sten doesn't have horns, therefore, it is a contradiction. The cake is a lie. 

[Rebel Wolf]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I still say "Horned Guy/Horned Girl" is the best name for a qunari inquisitor.

Not all qunari/kossith have horns.