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[Silfren]

Rebel Wolf wrote...

How would they have learned it?
Would the Qunari teach it to outsiders?

*sigh*  Seriously?

Anyone exposed to Qunari culture could pick it up if they had the will to do so.  Have you forgotten that Fenris was fluent in Qunlat?  A Qunari actively, deliberately teaching the language to someone isn't required for the language to be passed on.  From what we saw in DA2, also, the Qunari clearly don't have any issues with non-Qunari knowing the language--again, I refer you to Fenris--presumably because they think that knowing the language puts a person one step closer to becoming an adherent

Anyone was raised within the Qun and left it later could take the language with them and pass it along. 

Anyone who merely lived in the region from which Qunlat originated could speak it without any background in the Qunari religion.  If the language is older than the religion, this is especially true.  We don't know that much about the Qunari's original homeland. 

Modifié par Silfren, 25 décembre 2013 - 12:24 .

[Battlebloodmage]

Rebel Wolf wrote...

How would they have learned it?
Would the Qunari teach it to outsiders?

I don't see why it should be a secret, especially for the Qunari who don't follow the Qun. Even if the doctrine forbids it, they have no reason to follow it. 

[Spectre slayer]

Rebel Wolf wrote...

Um,no Vasoth means "grey" and the prefix "tal" means "true," hence Tal-Vashoth meaning "True Grey" [/color] ,nothing about violence.
I very much doubt he still calls himself qunari.

Sigh, yes there is proof of what I just said.

Vashoth means grey ones, and those who are non violent that break the Qun are considered Vashoth till they become violent.

Mary Kirby

When a Qunari abandons the Qun he or she becomes Vashoth. Eventually, they have to leave Qunari society because there's no way to really hide when all your neighbors are bees in the hive or cogs in the machine, sooner or later, someone will notice you're not doing your part for the group. Stick around and get discovered, and you get re-educated by the Ben-Hassrath. Or you leave. So they go.

Violent ones become Tal'Vashoth. Which is mostly the ones who were former soldiers, because they have no other useful skills. Many of them never fight the Qunari, they just become mercenaries because what the heck else are they supposed to do? When they actively strike at the Qunari, they usually just murder the most defenseless civilians they can find, because they don't have numbers, officers, goals, equipment, or organization that would make them a match for the antaam.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/4741328&lf=8 

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 25 décembre 2013 - 12:26 .

[Rebel Wolf]

Nor do they have a reason to keep speaking a language that no one in human/elf/dwarf society is familiar with.
Like if a person immigrated to America.the grandparents might teach the parents the native language but the parents may have no interest in passing it on or the kids in learning it.
My Kossith mage will think the qunari can suck it and has no interest in communicating with them.
So it would depend on a lot of factors.

Modifié par Rebel Wolf, 25 décembre 2013 - 12:27 .

[MisanthropePrime]

Why do Alienage elves have names in Elven like "Shianni"?

[Battlebloodmage]

That's how they can communicate effectively with each other. How about if they fall in love with another race? There are many scenarios that could explain the language exchange. It's not a coincidence that people from different countries can understand each other's language. They have to learn through different means originally. If your Qunari mage think the Qunari can suck it and refuse to communicate with them then that's your choice. That doesn't mean that every Qunari out there would react the same way even if they weren't raised under the Qun doctrine.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Rebel Wolf wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I still say "Horned Guy/Horned Girl" is the best name for a qunari inquisitor.

Not all qunari/kossith have horns.

That would make it even funnier.

Cassandra: What is your name, qunari?
Qunquisitor: I am horned guy, and I am not qunari.
Cassandra: ...but you don't have horns.
Qunquisitor: Yes.
Cassandra: ...So why do they call you horned guy?
Qunquisitor: Because it is my name.
Cassandra: But that doesn't make any sense.
Varric: Just let it go. Trust me, you'll be better off.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 25 décembre 2013 - 12:29 .

[Rebel Wolf]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

Why do Alienage elves have names in Elven like "Shianni"?

Is Shainni a name in elven?
Sounds human to me.

Modifié par Rebel Wolf, 25 décembre 2013 - 12:29 .

[Silfren]

Rebel Wolf wrote...

Nor do they have a reason to keep speaking a language that no one in human/elf/dwarf society is familiar with.
Like if a person immigrated to America.the grandparents might teach the parents the native language but the parents may have no interest in passing it on or the kids in learning it.
My Kossith mage will think the qunari can suck it and has no interest in communicating with them.
So it would depend on a lot of factors.

The problem is, you're taking what SOME people might not be interested in doing and using it to assert that you don't understand why the Qunlat language would be known outside of Qun-society.  For whatever reason you're disregarding the many people who DO go out of their way to keep their language and pass it to the future generations. 

There doesn't have to be a reason to keep speaking a language beyond simply WANTING to keep speaking your language. 

[Rebel Wolf]

If they still regard it as "thier" langauge.

[Silfren]

Rebel Wolf wrote...

MisanthropePrime wrote...

Why do Alienage elves have names in Elven like "Shianni"?

Is Shainni a name in elven?
Sounds human to me.

Wow, you missed the point entirely.  Shianni IS an Elven name. 

I see you edited that right as I quoted it, your original post being something like "because they lost their elven culture"?

Arianni and Seranni are Dalish names, so it's clear enough that Shianni is, too. 

Modifié par Silfren, 25 décembre 2013 - 12:32 .

[Rebel Wolf]

Arianni and Seranni are dalish namesAnd It says that where?
It's not clear at all.

Modifié par Rebel Wolf, 25 décembre 2013 - 12:34 .

[Silfren]

Rebel Wolf wrote...

If they still regard it as "thier" langauge.

I'm not sure what your point even is here, since, if that's a response to my post, obviously anyone who wanted to keep their language would still regard it as theirs.

[Silfren]

Rebel Wolf wrote...

And It says that where?
It's not clear at all.

It is, if you bother to pay attention to the lore.  There are several names which follow the -anni construction which are limited to the Elves. 

[Rebel Wolf]

My point being if they no longer regard themselves as qunari why would they want to keep that culture?
The Tal-Vashoth guarding the path in Da2 makes it clear he is Tal vashoth not qunari.
So why would they want to preserve that langauge,or anything of their former culture?
So every name that has anni in it is elven,giggles.

Modifié par Rebel Wolf, 25 décembre 2013 - 12:38 .

[Silfren]

Rebel Wolf wrote...

My point being if they no longer regard themselves as qunari why would they want to keep that culture?
The Tal-Vashoth guarding the path in Da2 makes it clear he is Tal vashoth not qunari.
So why would they want to preserve that langauge,or anything of their former culture?

Because the language isn't necessarily exclusive to the culture.  I don't understand why you're so fixated on the idea that abandoning a religious philosophy means abandoning a language, or that it should.  Some people might want to do that, but there's no reason at all to assume that the majority would want to, and certainly no reason to expect that wanting to abandon one's native language is only the natural extension of wanting to abandon a religious doctrine.

So every name that has anni in it is elven,giggles.

Nice try, but I didn't say that at all.  I'm starting to question your ability to comprehend context.

Modifié par Silfren, 25 décembre 2013 - 12:45 .

[Rebel Wolf]

OK...
Name one culture besides the qunari [those of the qun]
That speaks qunlat.
I disagree the langauge isn't part of the culture.
I'm starting to question your ability to have a discussion without being rude,I understood you perfectly I just disagree.
We aren't talking about modern day Spain,France,Italy or whatever. this is a different kind of world.

Modifié par Rebel Wolf, 25 décembre 2013 - 12:53 .

[Afro_Explosion]

Viddathari could be a good term to call those of the qunari faith but not the race.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Rebel Wolf wrote...

OK...
Name one culture besides the qunari [those of the qun]
That speaks qunlat.
I disagree the langauge isn't part of the culture.
I'm starting to question your ability to have a discussion without being rude,I understood you perfectly I just disagree.

Well, Fenris knows Qunlat and yet isn't a follower of the Qun. After centuries of fighting them, the Tevinter Imperium probably knows the language. 

[Silfren]

Rebel Wolf wrote...

OK...
Name one culture besides the qunari [those of the qun]
That speaks qunlat.
I disagree the langauge isn't part of the culture.
I'm starting to question your ability to have a discussion without being rude,I understood you perfectly I just disagree.

First off, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.  we haven't seen that much of Thedas as yet.  

Secondly, Fenris. 

Thirdly, Tal-Vasoth.  We KNOW that they can speak it.

Fourthly, I can pretty well guarantee you that any groups which trade regularly with the Qunari probably can speak it to some degree.  For the very same reason that Qunari who interact with non-Qunari pick up other languages.

I NEVER said that the language isn't part of the culture--language is ALWAYS part of a culture--indeed it is a culture's lifeblood.  I'm trying to make you understand that there's no reason for you to be convinced that it's RESTRICTED to it.  There could well be qunlat spoken in parts of the world we haven't seen yet, for much the same reason that you need not be Muslim to speak Arabic. 

Modifié par Silfren, 25 décembre 2013 - 12:57 .

[Silfren]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Rebel Wolf wrote...

OK...
Name one culture besides the qunari [those of the qun]
That speaks qunlat.
I disagree the langauge isn't part of the culture.
I'm starting to question your ability to have a discussion without being rude,I understood you perfectly I just disagree.

Well, Fenris knows Qunlat and yet isn't a follower of the Qun. After centuries of fighting them, the Tevinter Imperium probably knows the language. 

I expect most Rivaini know it, too.

[Rebel Wolf]

My point was it's not widespread,so outside of qunari culture you won't go up to a ferelden,kirkwall,orlesian merchant and expect him to understand you.
So Fenris quoted the qun and you assume he speaks the whole language why?
I can recite a german song but don't fluently speak the langauge.
A second or third generation tal vashoth or whatever might not know anything of it.
If the qun faith had been around a thousand years he might be so far from it he acts and speaks like where ever he is now.
Like if his ancestors went tal Vashoth in the early days of the qun or something.

Modifié par Rebel Wolf, 25 décembre 2013 - 01:05 .

[Battlebloodmage]

They wouldn't be Tal-Vashoth anymore in second or third generation. They probably would only be called Qunari. That's probably what's gonna happen to our Qunari Inquisitor since Bioware has already stated that the Qunari was raised outside the Qun.

[Silfren]

Rebel Wolf wrote...

My point was it's not widespread,so outside of qunari culture you won't go up to a ferelden,kirkwall,orlesian merchant and expect him to understand you.
So Fenris quoted the qun and you assume he speaks the whole language why?
I can recite a german song but don't fluently speak the langauge.
A second or third generation tal vashoth or whatever might not know anything of it.
If the qun faith had been around a thousand years he might be so far from it he acts and speaks like where ever he is now.

Unless I'm mistaken, Fenris demonstrates that he actually speaks Qunlat, rather than just reciting rote phrases from the Qun.

Modifié par Silfren, 25 décembre 2013 - 01:05 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, before we go any further into this I have a question.

Why do you care that the players who want to use Qunlat names do so?