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Why are so many people assuming thier kossith uses qunlat?


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Spectre slayer wrote...

This is pretty much it, the devs have stated there's no distinction between race and religion and aren't keep on the idea of making one, there's no known or modern term for the race itself nor will there be one unless they change their minds which I seriously doubt.

That said, even given that there is no modern term for the race alone, that doesn't make the old term wrong.  Just uncommon.

Kossith is still correct.  It's just that no one uses it.

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Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

This is pretty much it, the devs have stated there's no distinction between race and religion and aren't keep on the idea of making one, there's no known or modern term for the race itself nor will there be one unless they change their minds which I seriously doubt.

That said, even given that there is no modern term for the race alone, that doesn't make the old term wrong.  Just uncommon.

Kossith is still correct.  It's just that no one uses it.

I think it's just very odd though like calling a Jewish an Abrahamist or an United States citizen a colonist. I think it's outdated for a reason.

Now that you mentioned it, Gaider stated that Qunari referred to both the race and the religion. It's also at the PAX demo as someone has already stated. 

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 25 décembre 2013 - 06:29 .


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Fine, use your obsolete term that nobody uses. Just don't get upset when someone calls it an obsolete term that nobody uses.

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Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

This is pretty much it, the devs have stated there's no distinction between race and religion and aren't keep on the idea of making one, there's no known or modern term for the race itself nor will there be one unless they change their minds which I seriously doubt.

That said, even given that there is no modern term for the race alone, that doesn't make the old term wrong.  Just uncommon.

Kossith is still correct.  It's just that no one uses it.


DAI clearly calls the race "Qunari." Don't make me link to the Pax demo again.

I don't want to incur the wrath of Rebel Wolf.

Modifié par MevenSelas, 25 décembre 2013 - 06:24 .


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The Mad Hanar wrote...
Just don't get upset when someone calls it an obsolete term that nobody uses.


Or, yah know - do. It's a free internet after all. Upsets for everyone!

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Ok,that is your opinion,but why are so many people trying to force thier opinion on the issue is what I don't get.
If you don't like it too bad make your own thread.

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Rebel Wolf wrote...

Ok,that is your opinion,but why are so many people trying to force thier opinion on the issue is what I don't get.
If you don't like it too bad make your own thread.


Take your own advice.

Don't try to limit someone's willful decision to use Qunlat in naming his or her Qunari Inquisitor.

It doesn't matter if you don't understand that decision.

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I'm just being honest and explaining the confusion.

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Battlebloodmage wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

This is pretty much it, the devs have stated there's no distinction between race and religion and aren't keep on the idea of making one, there's no known or modern term for the race itself nor will there be one unless they change their minds which I seriously doubt.

That said, even given that there is no modern term for the race alone, that doesn't make the old term wrong.  Just uncommon.

Kossith is still correct.  It's just that no one uses it.

I think it's just very odd though like calling a Jewish an Abrahamist or an United States citizen a colonist. I think it's outdated for a reason.

If there were a modern equivalent, it would be more odd.

The lack of a modern equivalent is the only reason we ever have this conversation.  That, and the modern word being so ambiguous.  Does Qunari refer to the religion or the race?  Both.  Can someone be racially Qunari without following the Qunari religion?  Yes.  Can someone follow the Qunari religion without being racially Qunari?  Yes.

See the problem?  If people want to refer to the religion or the race specifically, there's a giant lexical gap standing in their way.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 25 décembre 2013 - 06:27 .


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MevenSelas wrote...

DAI clearly calls the race "Qunari."

Yes it does.  Because that's a correct use of the word (albeit an ambiguous one).

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Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

This is pretty much it, the devs have stated there's no distinction between race and religion and aren't keep on the idea of making one, there's no known or modern term for the race itself nor will there be one unless they change their minds which I seriously doubt.

That said, even given that there is no modern term for the race alone, that doesn't make the old term wrong.  Just uncommon.

Kossith is still correct.  It's just that no one uses it.


Not really, it was the name of the culture that predated the Qun and the situation could've been the same with groups of races like it is now.

David Gaider ... If you want to refer to the horned race, it's Qunari...

"Kossith" is an antiquated term, not a technical one. It was used to describe the culture that predated the Qun. It may not have even been the name of a race at all. It's the equivalent of calling white people, "Occidental." A few members of the Qunari priesthood are going to recognize the word, but no one else in Thedas would know what the heck this term means.

They call them, "Elven Qunari," or, "Human Qunari," or, 'Qunari convert." Nine times out of ten, if someone says, "Orlesian," they mean a human from Orlais, but now and then they mean an Orlesian city elf, or an Orlesian surface dwarf, and usually they will say, "Orlesian elf" to clarify.

Mary Kirby 


David Gaider

There is no gap. The collective name is qunari. They're synonymous.

We have no difficulty with it. The only difficulty seems to be people here on the forums who are trying very hard to have difficulty with it.

You can say that's a gap in our lore if you wish, but I call BS




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Modifié par Spectre slayer, 25 décembre 2013 - 06:41 .


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Occidental is a meaningful word. There are, however, more useful words available.

With regard to Qunari/Kossith, there are not other words available. No word says what people want to say. As I said, there's a lexical gap.

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Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

This is pretty much it, the devs have stated there's no distinction between race and religion and aren't keep on the idea of making one, there's no known or modern term for the race itself nor will there be one unless they change their minds which I seriously doubt.

That said, even given that there is no modern term for the race alone, that doesn't make the old term wrong.  Just uncommon.

Kossith is still correct.  It's just that no one uses it.

I think it's just very odd though like calling a Jewish an Abrahamist or an United States citizen a colonist. I think it's outdated for a reason.

If there were a modern equivalent, it would be more odd.

The lack of a modern equivalent is the only reason we ever have this conversation.  That, and the modern word being so ambiguous.  Does Qunari refer to the religion or the race?  Both.  Can someone be racially Qunari without following the Qunari religion?  Yes.  Can someone follow the Qunari religion without being racially Qunari?  Yes.

See the problem?  If people want to refer to the religion or the race specifically, there's a giant lexical gap standing in their way.

Can someone be a Jewish without following the religion? Yes. Can a racially non-Jewish person person belong to Jewish religion? Yes. We have already had a real life example of it happening, so it's more about either convinience or misinform that people want to invent other words for it. I actually like it because every culture is different, and we can't expect every language to have its equivalent role in the English language just like we don't have different words for snow. As Gaider has already stated many times though, the word Qunari is used for both the race and religion. Would be it easier to create a word for it? Yes, but then the writers would have to compromise their creation's integrity for the conviniency of the consumers.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 25 décembre 2013 - 06:34 .


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I never restricted anyones ability to use qunlat to name,that's a lie.
I asked why they wanted to.
And yes it has been said that qunari is a term for both race and religion,but three diffrent characters say otherwise.
I can't just pretend that didn't happen.

Modifié par Rebel Wolf, 25 décembre 2013 - 06:39 .


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Rebel Wolf wrote...

I never restricted anyones ability to use qunlat to name,that's a lie.
I asked why they wanted to.


Because we can. Everyone can name his or her character whatever he or she wants.

I can use Qunlat because I have decided that my Qunari Inquisitor can speak Qunlat and has a Qunlat name.

Must this imply that he or she is a current or former follower of the Qun? No.

The language, amongst others, is just part of their identity. For whatever reason.

That's roleplaying.

Modifié par MevenSelas, 25 décembre 2013 - 06:44 .


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So they can;t

1. Have a different interpretation of the word
2. Be wrong
3. Exist and not exclude the truth about what the term qunari means.

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Ok,and?
Does asking a simple question really unset you so much?
Ever heard of discussing ideas without making a huge deal of it?

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I could name my qunari inquisitor Honda, Lu Bu, Bjorn, Gregor, Ganesh, Lannister, Anderson, Shepard, Frank, Bob, Bill, Brick, Brain, Boris, Pickle, or anything else simply because I could choose to do so on a whim.

Why can't I have the same reason for choosing a qunlat name?

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No one said you couldn't....

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Rebel Wolf wrote...

Ok,and?
Does asking a simple question really unset you so much?
Ever heard of discussing ideas without making a huge deal of it?


I don't know, does it? It seems people making simple statements or asking simple questions have gotten you really rilled up. I figured I should consult you on this matter, seeing you being such a great example of such outrage.

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Actually what got me "riled up"
Is a bunch of pointless debates over a term.
For the millionth time it has already been stated we can call the race whatever we want just like you can name your character not bob if you choose.
By coming in here and going on about qunari or kossith you derailed the actaul topic.

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Rebel Wolf wrote...

Actually what got me "riled up"
Is a bunch of pointless debates over a term.
For the millionth time it has already been stated we can call the race whatever we want just like you can name your character not bob if you choose.
By coming in here and going on about qunari or kossith you derailed the actaul topic.


Your thread title: "Why are so many people assuming thier kossith uses qunlat?"

Your OP:

Rebel Wolf wrote...

So I started a naming thread and a lot of people are using the qunari langauge for names.
How would a kossith raised outside the qun even know that langauge.


Response to the title: it's not an assumption, it's roleplaying.

Response to the OP: from any number of people who have left the Qun, most likely.

There you go.:mellow:

Modifié par MevenSelas, 25 décembre 2013 - 07:01 .


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Great,why didn't you just post that to begin with like a logical person?
An interesting discussion was ruined because people needed to be right so badly.

Modifié par Rebel Wolf, 25 décembre 2013 - 07:04 .


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There you go, snippy as usual.

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Discussion usually means there are different opinions to discuss. Stay on topic, stay away from personal attacks and interpersonal disputes and bickering. You know what will happen if you don't.

Modifié par BioWareMod03, 25 décembre 2013 - 07:05 .