Well, the council positioned citadel fleets at all the relays coming in to the citadel but by taking the conduit it allowed all the geth dudes to go straight to the citadel which was severely underdefended.
Also, he was researching the thorian to better understand Sovereign's indoctrination as he was worried he was under the control. (same deal with virmire)
Why did Saren/Sovereign need the Conduit at all?
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Posté 21 janvier 2010 - 05:43
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Saren would've had to fight all the way to the Citadel Tower if he didn't use the Conduit. It's guaranteed that by the time Saren fought his way to C-Sec, practically the entire station would've been locked down. Consider how long it took Shepard just to get from the base of the Citadel Tower to the Council Chambers - and that's with the elevator working for maybe half the way up.
Saren also had to turn off the Citadel defenses - there's a pretty decent chance that the Citadel might have weaponry in the docking bays. So a bunch of Geth would come pouring out...and the Citadel would open fire on the ship and the Geth right quick.
In either case, the Citadel could amass a huge force on Saren while he tried fighting his way to the Council Chambers. 200,000 C-Sec officers might be scattered throughout the station, but it's a safe bet that they could get to the base of the Citadel Tower while Saren's force is still bottlenecking in C-Sec, or in the elevator shaft from C-Sec to the Presidium. Meanwhile, the Destiny Ascension would unload a good chunk of commandos to deal with Saren and the Geth. As well as any other military ships in the area.
Could Saren have fought his way to the Council Chambers, even with all that opposition? Sure. But it'd be an exceptionally risky move. The Conduit was the best way for him to land a massive enough force on the Citadel. He could unload an entire army, rather than just a single ship's worth of Geth (or maybe two or three ships' worth of Geth).
Saren also had to turn off the Citadel defenses - there's a pretty decent chance that the Citadel might have weaponry in the docking bays. So a bunch of Geth would come pouring out...and the Citadel would open fire on the ship and the Geth right quick.
In either case, the Citadel could amass a huge force on Saren while he tried fighting his way to the Council Chambers. 200,000 C-Sec officers might be scattered throughout the station, but it's a safe bet that they could get to the base of the Citadel Tower while Saren's force is still bottlenecking in C-Sec, or in the elevator shaft from C-Sec to the Presidium. Meanwhile, the Destiny Ascension would unload a good chunk of commandos to deal with Saren and the Geth. As well as any other military ships in the area.
Could Saren have fought his way to the Council Chambers, even with all that opposition? Sure. But it'd be an exceptionally risky move. The Conduit was the best way for him to land a massive enough force on the Citadel. He could unload an entire army, rather than just a single ship's worth of Geth (or maybe two or three ships' worth of Geth).
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Posté 21 janvier 2010 - 07:14
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I guess it just seems a little contrived to me. He had to chase all over the galaxy to find a back door to a place he'd been a thousand times. Imagine back before Eden Prime, if he'd just walked right up to the platform used for addressing the Council. Would anyone have stopped him? No, he's a Spectre. If the Council were in session at the time, he feeds them some bull about having uncovered information about a hidden control panel - while bringing said control panel up and opening the relay. And if they're not in session, he'd just start using it with no fuss at all.
I mean what, are any of the random people we witnessed standing around up there going to stop him? Even if someone said "Hey, what's that? What are you doing there?", all he'd say have to say is that he was a Spectre. Some minutes later, bam, Citadel Relay opens.
Not as much fun for a game, but way more logical.
I mean what, are any of the random people we witnessed standing around up there going to stop him? Even if someone said "Hey, what's that? What are you doing there?", all he'd say have to say is that he was a Spectre. Some minutes later, bam, Citadel Relay opens.
Not as much fun for a game, but way more logical.
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Posté 21 janvier 2010 - 07:26
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Could be pure and simple tactics. Sovereign attacks in force with the geth fleet, while Saren and another geth force attack with the element of surprise via the conduit. It's sound strategy. The Citadel fleet while expecting an assault from the front, would be taken aback by an assault from within.
Outflanking an opponent is key in almost any engagement. Adding the element of surprise just maximizes the potency of a flanking or rear assault.
Outflanking an opponent is key in almost any engagement. Adding the element of surprise just maximizes the potency of a flanking or rear assault.
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Posté 21 janvier 2010 - 07:29
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How do we even know Saren/Sovereign had the codes to access the citadel prior to going to Illos? If the Protheans could find a way to disable the Keeper's ability to intercept the signal, is it not also feasible that they changed the codes? I mean, that's one of the things Shepard got from Vigil, the ability to access the citadel controls. I can just imagine Saren bringing a dropship of tight-packed Geth to the citadel to take over the controls. They'd all get blown away as Saren tries figuring out the new password; "Dammit, Sovereign told me the passcode was 12345! It's not working!"
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Posté 21 janvier 2010 - 07:35
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Ok just got through this part so here's the explanation near as I can tell. The beacons on Eden Prime and Virmire told you where the Conduit was, it contained no information about what the Conduit was. So Saren and Sovereign needed to find the Conduit to find out what it was and if it might hinder further attempts to open the relay, even manually. As Vigil said Sovereign is patient, he wasn't going to act until he knew why the relay hadn't activated.
The only reason Sovereign attacked with a Geth fleet and Saren used the Conduit was because they were exposed. Had everything gone according to plan Saren would have found the Conduit, realized what it was, and showed up outside the Citadel in Sovereign. Radioing the Citadel to inform them who he was might have raised questions, such as where he got the ship, but they wouldn't have stopped him. He leaves Sovereign on a shuttle, goes to the Council Chambers and takes manual control. At this point Sovereign moves in to dock with the Citadel while Saren closes the arms, taking advantage of the confusion. Sovereign docks, locks down the relays, opens the Citadel, Reapers come and destroy any ships there, and everybody dies.
Due to Shepard however Saren was exposed and the Council was expecting an attack so the plan needed to change. Once Saren discovered what the Conduit was he and Sovereign realized he could take control of the Citadel the Geth could distract the Citadel Fleet and Sovereign could open the relay.
The only reason Sovereign attacked with a Geth fleet and Saren used the Conduit was because they were exposed. Had everything gone according to plan Saren would have found the Conduit, realized what it was, and showed up outside the Citadel in Sovereign. Radioing the Citadel to inform them who he was might have raised questions, such as where he got the ship, but they wouldn't have stopped him. He leaves Sovereign on a shuttle, goes to the Council Chambers and takes manual control. At this point Sovereign moves in to dock with the Citadel while Saren closes the arms, taking advantage of the confusion. Sovereign docks, locks down the relays, opens the Citadel, Reapers come and destroy any ships there, and everybody dies.
Due to Shepard however Saren was exposed and the Council was expecting an attack so the plan needed to change. Once Saren discovered what the Conduit was he and Sovereign realized he could take control of the Citadel the Geth could distract the Citadel Fleet and Sovereign could open the relay.
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Posté 21 janvier 2010 - 07:37
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Saren and soverign didn't know what the problem was until after Illos when they found out what the conduit was and what the Protheans had done. First clue they even got is at Eden prime and they decided to find out what was the probelm so they could remove it. So before Eden prime Saren wouldn't have even thought of just bringing up this hidden panel and opening the relay even if we belive that he actually was told about it before then by Soverign.
Also remember that Soverign is the one actually running the show,not Saren. Saren might have wanted to just head straight to the citidel and Soverign might have decided to figure out the problem before activating the Relay which would result in it's agents searching for an Answer instead of attacking the citidel.
As for just attacking it outright, the chances of success plummet. First you have the chance that your ship might not be able to fool them. Then you have the fact that as soon as the geth or Saren(if they are able to id him) leave the ship that the citidel go on red alert and starts fighting back while still retaining full control over the citidel's defense and tranports makes it a losing battle since they can bring more troops in with the Transit system and block Sarens troops from using that same system and the elevaters. Soverign and the geth fleet also would be in danger since the Citidel can just close it's arms to keep them outside while they are being attacked by the Citidel fleet and all the Fleets arriving through the Mass relay in response to the alert that the Citidel is under attack.
Also remember that Soverign is the one actually running the show,not Saren. Saren might have wanted to just head straight to the citidel and Soverign might have decided to figure out the problem before activating the Relay which would result in it's agents searching for an Answer instead of attacking the citidel.
As for just attacking it outright, the chances of success plummet. First you have the chance that your ship might not be able to fool them. Then you have the fact that as soon as the geth or Saren(if they are able to id him) leave the ship that the citidel go on red alert and starts fighting back while still retaining full control over the citidel's defense and tranports makes it a losing battle since they can bring more troops in with the Transit system and block Sarens troops from using that same system and the elevaters. Soverign and the geth fleet also would be in danger since the Citidel can just close it's arms to keep them outside while they are being attacked by the Citidel fleet and all the Fleets arriving through the Mass relay in response to the alert that the Citidel is under attack.
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Bah! You beat me to it Knightstar2001! Was about to write the exact same thing...
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Posté 22 janvier 2010 - 05:56
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I think if you and Tali hadn't gotten Saren defrocked as a Spectre he never would have used the conduit to attack the Citadel. Once he found Ilos and learned how the Protheans had mucked about with the station he would have gone back to the Citadel in a (large) civillian ship and docked as normal. He and Benezia would have taken a couple of cargo pods into the tower while his Krogan mercs/clones positioned themselves about the Citadel. Once Saren is in position he gives the signal. The Krogan start shooting up the place drawing C-sec's attention. Possibly a horde of Rachni pour out of the ship adding to the confusion. Saren takes the Council hostage and then access the console while Benezia's asari commandos and a crate of Geth keep everything locked down. Sovereign lurks in the nebula just outside sensor range and plays solotaire while his minions arrange for their own destruction at the hands of his cuttlefish bretheren.
However you and Tali did mess things up for him and he had to fall back on the less efficient plan of teleport and gank/ full frontal assault.
However you and Tali did mess things up for him and he had to fall back on the less efficient plan of teleport and gank/ full frontal assault.
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Posté 22 janvier 2010 - 11:02
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Sovereign needed to dock with the station and as we can see the process takes at least a few minutes. Saren needed an external and internal diversion to keep the Citadel defense forces busy while he and Sovereign rested control. Simple really.
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Posté 22 janvier 2010 - 11:35
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Andorfiend wrote...
I think if you and Tali hadn't gotten Saren defrocked as a Spectre he never would have used the conduit to attack the Citadel. Once he found Ilos and learned how the Protheans had mucked about with the station he would have gone back to the Citadel in a (large) civillian ship and docked as normal. He and Benezia would have taken a couple of cargo pods into the tower while his Krogan mercs/clones positioned themselves about the Citadel. Once Saren is in position he gives the signal. The Krogan start shooting up the place drawing C-sec's attention. Possibly a horde of Rachni pour out of the ship adding to the confusion. Saren takes the Council hostage and then access the console while Benezia's asari commandos and a crate of Geth keep everything locked down. Sovereign lurks in the nebula just outside sensor range and plays solotaire while his minions arrange for their own destruction at the hands of his cuttlefish bretheren.
However you and Tali did mess things up for him and he had to fall back on the less efficient plan of teleport and gank/ full frontal assault.
Totally agreed.
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Posté 22 janvier 2010 - 11:43
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Maybe the reason sovereign needed to use the conduit was because it gave him the element of surprise, if they saw him coming they would of had time to "close" up the Citadel. Maybe he wouldn't of been able to break through the shield/cocoon and he needed to get inside fast.
Though I myself doubt that one a bit, because Sovereign seemed pretty powerful lol.
Though I myself doubt that one a bit, because Sovereign seemed pretty powerful lol.
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Posté 22 janvier 2010 - 12:30
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1) At the beginning of the game, it is implied that nobody knows what the Conduit is. Not even Sovereign. As far as Sovereign knows, its the reason the Citadel is not responding to his commands (or Keepers not responding to be more precise as indicated from Vigil).
2) We do know that Sovereign tried to bring down the first races already on the Citadel by use of the Rachni - in hopes that the Rachni would drive the races out from the Citadel (or weakened enough) that he could take control. But that plan failed due to the last minute and lucky finding of the Krogan.
3) War didn't work, so this time he devised another plan - infiltrate/attack from within. Thus, he learned of the creation of the Specters and did what it took to get one to be near him. Saren happened to be the one. Thus Sovereign, along with Saren, devise a plan to start building an army (Geth and Krogan were selected) and to try to determine from Protheans artifacts any additional clues - including just what the conduit is (or which is learned from clues collected from the Prothean artifacts) - but in the end, since he used the Rachni already, he wasn't concerned about it yet - it could be fixed/determined after the Dark Relay was opened up.
4) The attack on Eden Prime was most likely due to time constants and the high value of the artifact uncovered. Since Saran just couldn't show up without too many people asking questions - including the Council, the next best plan was to attack and obliterate Eden Prime. Unlucky for Sovereign and Saren, they were at least an hour too slow on getting away scott clean.
5) As Andorfiend above notes, that was the plan - build up enough force for one hell of a distraction and then use his status as their forces cause enough of a diversion for them to allow Sovereign to open up the relay. But since Tali and Shepard were able to strip Saren of his status and expose his high level General (Benezia) they were forced to finally try to determine what the Conduit is, to determine if could be another tool in getting the upper hand (it is).
6) We never learn when Saren learns of the function of the Conduit - but it can be assumed shortly after the events of Eden Prime - as the rest of it was the race to find it - as by the events at Noveria. As Sovereign and a whole Geth fleet was ready to attack the moment Saren found it.
2) We do know that Sovereign tried to bring down the first races already on the Citadel by use of the Rachni - in hopes that the Rachni would drive the races out from the Citadel (or weakened enough) that he could take control. But that plan failed due to the last minute and lucky finding of the Krogan.
3) War didn't work, so this time he devised another plan - infiltrate/attack from within. Thus, he learned of the creation of the Specters and did what it took to get one to be near him. Saren happened to be the one. Thus Sovereign, along with Saren, devise a plan to start building an army (Geth and Krogan were selected) and to try to determine from Protheans artifacts any additional clues - including just what the conduit is (or which is learned from clues collected from the Prothean artifacts) - but in the end, since he used the Rachni already, he wasn't concerned about it yet - it could be fixed/determined after the Dark Relay was opened up.
4) The attack on Eden Prime was most likely due to time constants and the high value of the artifact uncovered. Since Saran just couldn't show up without too many people asking questions - including the Council, the next best plan was to attack and obliterate Eden Prime. Unlucky for Sovereign and Saren, they were at least an hour too slow on getting away scott clean.
5) As Andorfiend above notes, that was the plan - build up enough force for one hell of a distraction and then use his status as their forces cause enough of a diversion for them to allow Sovereign to open up the relay. But since Tali and Shepard were able to strip Saren of his status and expose his high level General (Benezia) they were forced to finally try to determine what the Conduit is, to determine if could be another tool in getting the upper hand (it is).
6) We never learn when Saren learns of the function of the Conduit - but it can be assumed shortly after the events of Eden Prime - as the rest of it was the race to find it - as by the events at Noveria. As Sovereign and a whole Geth fleet was ready to attack the moment Saren found it.
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Posté 22 janvier 2010 - 02:07
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Some little points from my side, because all of you have good points, but some minor details arent fitting:
- Why Saren coulndt conquer Citadel directly? Because of the Security?
I wouldnt say so:
> he went to Ilios, because of the Rod, but he didnt know what it is from the start!
So, his "army" were only there for securing Ilios and for guarding him = small Army.
IF he would have filled a space-ship with Cargos (like on the Ice-Planet with Bethesia) full
of Geth, he would have the same chances.
BECAUSE: he did not know about the Portal AND he did not know WHERE this portal would let him out in the Citadel! He was lucky, that it was near the Council, or else his small gang would have been wiped out.
It seems Saren had to take risks and go in a haste several times, because Shepard was right on his trails!
- Why Saren coulndt conquer Citadel directly? Because of the Security?
I wouldnt say so:
> he went to Ilios, because of the Rod, but he didnt know what it is from the start!
So, his "army" were only there for securing Ilios and for guarding him = small Army.
IF he would have filled a space-ship with Cargos (like on the Ice-Planet with Bethesia) full
of Geth, he would have the same chances.
BECAUSE: he did not know about the Portal AND he did not know WHERE this portal would let him out in the Citadel! He was lucky, that it was near the Council, or else his small gang would have been wiped out.
It seems Saren had to take risks and go in a haste several times, because Shepard was right on his trails!
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Posté 22 janvier 2010 - 03:07
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Sovereign is not invincible or all powerful. If C-Sec closes the arms and Sovereign is not inside or Saren is not able to reach Citadel Control it is game over.Sarevok Anchev wrote...
Some little points from my side, because all of you have good points, but some minor details arent fitting:
- Why Saren coulndt conquer Citadel directly? Because of the Security?
I wouldnt say so:
Sarevok Anchev wrote...
> he went to Ilios, because of the Rod, but he didnt know what it is from the start!
I would argue that he did because Sovereign and the Geth fleet had to be in position to assault the Citadel when he boarded it.
Sarevok Anchev wrote...
So, his "army" were only there for securing Ilios and for guarding him = small Army.
IF he would have filled a space-ship with Cargos (like on the Ice-Planet with Bethesia) full
of Geth, he would have the same chances.
BECAUSE: he did not know about the Portal AND he did not know WHERE this portal would let him out in the Citadel! He was lucky, that it was near the Council, or else his small gang would have been wiped out.
It seems Saren had to take risks and go in a haste several times, because Shepard was right on his trails!
And to launch a simulatenous land/space assault against the Citadel indicates he did.
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Posté 22 janvier 2010 - 04:01
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After having played through ME:1 a grand total of 4-5 times, I realize now how little I understood of the plot.
So let me get this straight.
Sovereign wakes up and activates the Keepers. The Keepers dont respond. So he finds Saren and convinces him to help him.
Fast forward to Eden Prime, Saren finds out that the Protheans did something. He then gets the Thorian to decode it for him. He finds out about something called the Conduit.
Fast Forward again to Ilos. Saren finds out its just a back door...So he and Sovereign just goes all-in?
At this point Im lost....
So let me get this straight.
Sovereign wakes up and activates the Keepers. The Keepers dont respond. So he finds Saren and convinces him to help him.
Fast forward to Eden Prime, Saren finds out that the Protheans did something. He then gets the Thorian to decode it for him. He finds out about something called the Conduit.
Fast Forward again to Ilos. Saren finds out its just a back door...So he and Sovereign just goes all-in?
At this point Im lost....
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Posté 22 janvier 2010 - 05:42
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Just_mike wrote...
After having played through ME:1 a grand total of 4-5 times, I realize now how little I understood of the plot.
So let me get this straight.
Sovereign wakes up and activates the Keepers. The Keepers dont respond. So he finds Saren and convinces him to help him.
Fast forward to Eden Prime, Saren finds out that the Protheans did something. He then gets the Thorian to decode it for him. He finds out about something called the Conduit.
Fast Forward again to Ilos. Saren finds out its just a back door...So he and Sovereign just goes all-in?
At this point Im lost....
Sovereign presumably woke up well before using Saren. This is just the end result of hundreds of years of planning. I think Sovren (Sovereign and Saren
) knew something about the conduit before Eden Prime. I mean, you don't find out about the conduit until Tali gives you the recording....and Liara doesn't know about the conduit, whereas Sovren is already going after it. I think to assume Sovren were taking a shot in the dark at any point in this little adventure (other than the interplay between Sovereign and Saren over indoctrination) would be folly. They knew the conduit would be the key to reactivating the citadel, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't just a back door. I believe Vigil gives Shepard a data pad with codes or some such to take control of the citadel, which I think was the other purpose of the conduit trip (i mean, yes, in truth the conduit is just a mass relay, but whatever is on Illos is the key to finding out how to take control etc).
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Modifié par PaladinXR, 22 janvier 2010 - 05:43 .
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Saren sought out Sovereign at the end of the Mass Effect:Revelation novel which was a little while before the events of Mass Effect 1. He planned to use the alien vessel to get revenge on humanity. It was at that time he was enslaved by the Reapers.
Saren was indoctrinated by the time the events of Mass Effect 1 took place. As Shep called him in the end, he was just a puppet.
The Reapers sent him on a mission to find the Conduit, so that is what he did.
Saren was indoctrinated by the time the events of Mass Effect 1 took place. As Shep called him in the end, he was just a puppet.
The Reapers sent him on a mission to find the Conduit, so that is what he did.
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InvaderErl wrote...
Sovereign is not invincible or all powerful. If C-Sec closes the arms and Sovereign is not inside or Saren is not able to reach Citadel Control it is game over.
Yes, but how near Sovereign "teleports" to the Citadel in the end shows, that it could get in.
I mean, in the end Saren closed the Arms right when it appeared and it got in WITH chasing enemy ships.
Dont forget they could only defeat Sov because it wasnt attacking the first half minute and was closed in with a whole fleet alone; if it would have fought outside with her fleet, it would have really made a difference.
> he went to Ilios, because of the Rod, but he didnt know what it is from the start!
Well, that could be also seen as a strangeness in the whole story-script. How could they know?I would argue that he did because Sovereign and the Geth fleet had to be in position to assault the Citadel when he boarded it.
Im not sure if it was stated by the Virtual Intelligence; does anybody remember th
So, his "army" were only there for securing Ilios and for guarding him = small Army.
IF he would have filled a space-ship with Cargos (like on the Ice-Planet with Bethesia) full
of Geth, he would have the same chances.
BECAUSE: he did not know about the Portal AND he did not know WHERE this portal would let him out in the Citadel! He was lucky, that it was near the Council, or else his small gang would have been wiped out.
It seems Saren had to take risks and go in a haste several times, because Shepard was right on his trails!
Was it simultaneous? We have a army of robots; they surely can wait a loooong time.And to launch a simulatenous land/space assault against the Citadel indicates he did.
Dont forget, how fast the Normandy appeared at the battle.
So there wasnt really a necessity for planing. Sovereign awaited news from Saren.
When he found out about the function of the Conduit/Rod, he went through with his small "army"
and after getting control over the Citadel sent a message by Hyper-Net to the Fleet. Etc.
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Just_mike wrote...
After having played through ME:1 a grand total of 4-5 times, I realize now how little I understood of the plot.
So let me get this straight.
Sovereign wakes up and activates the Keepers. The Keepers dont respond. So he finds Saren and convinces him to help him.
Fast forward to Eden Prime, Saren finds out that the Protheans did something. He then gets the Thorian to decode it for him. He finds out about something called the Conduit.
Fast Forward again to Ilos. Saren finds out its just a back door...So he and Sovereign just goes all-in?
At this point Im lost....
You're pretty much correct but the point is (and admitedly there is a bit of speculation here, but it does make sense) that before they got to Ilos and figured out what the conduit was and how the Protheans had interrupted the cycle (by modifing the signal codes the Keepers respond too) Sovereign/Saren didn't know what the problem was, and hence what they would need to be able activate the Citadel-Relay. When he found it it was just a code change Sovereign decided to just hack it.
It's also worth noting that Sovereign seems to be acting under sime kind of time pressure, because otherwise he could have just backed off until Shepard had died of old age while he built up a network of agents and an army/fleet of Geth and then taken the Citadel by whatever means he fancied. So something else is afoot here.
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Sarevok Anchev wrote...
Yes, but how near Sovereign "teleports" to the Citadel in the end shows, that it could get in.
And again, they would have closed the arms of the station locking it right out.
Sarevok Anchev wrote...
I mean, in the end Saren closed the Arms right when it appeared and it got in WITH chasing enemy ships.
That's because Saren was the one closing the arms for him, he waited until Sovereign was close enough to make a dash inside and closed the doors right behind him locking anyone else out.
Yes but inevitably they would have been overwhelmed once reinforcements showed up - just as they did and were overwhelmed.Sarevok Anchev wrote...
Dont forget they could only defeat Sov because it wasnt attacking the first half minute and was closed in with a whole fleet alone; if it would have fought outside with her fleet, it would have really made a difference.
As for Sovereign attacking earlier, his opening fire on them was a delaying tactic. At that point it must have known it was dead and was just trying to stall them long enough to kill Shep and take control back of the station. All that would have happened had it started blasting away at the Alliance forces earlier was that they would have suffered heavier losses when it finally exploded.
Sarevok Anchev wrote...
Was it simultaneous? We have a army of robots; they surely can wait a loooong time.
Dont forget, how fast the Normandy appeared at the battle.
So there wasnt really a necessity for planing. Sovereign awaited news from Saren.
When he found out about the function of the Conduit/Rod, he went through with his small "army"
and after getting control over the Citadel sent a message by Hyper-Net to the Fleet. Etc.
Yes, it was simultaneous. The Citadel fleet had no idea the station had been boarded when Sovereign and co attack. They try contacting the station indicating that the Geth were just NOW attacking, almost in perfect step with the space assault.
As for the Normandy's appearance, that is honestly imo a plot hole for the sake of drama. While relay travel is instantaneous iirc, I believe it would have taken them more than a few minutes - to an hour or so to travel across the distances it would have taken to navigate the network in the first place.
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Posté 22 janvier 2010 - 10:15
Sarevok Anchev
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Well.. your points are good; should be even, considering your name tells about your main skill^^
The reasons are okay, but still there is no fact (or any explanation) how the baddies should have known about the function of the conduit (i think the Dialogue with the VI tells you this, but i dont remember it). Thats the break point.
Well.. your points are good; should be even, considering your name tells about your main skill^^
The reasons are okay, but still there is no fact (or any explanation) how the baddies should have known about the function of the conduit (i think the Dialogue with the VI tells you this, but i dont remember it). Thats the break point.
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Posté 19 avril 2010 - 06:30
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"Sovereign planned to have Saren use the Conduit to storm the Citadel with a geth army past the outer defenses, and activate the Citadel's Mass Relay manually."
It's simple, if attacking the Citadel head on was a good idea, Sovereign would have done it - he didn't, so it obviously wasn't a good idea.
He wasn't invincible and the arms would have been closed before he could gain access to the Citadel tower. While it is unlikely he would have been destroyed outright if he attempted entry and got locked out, he obviously couldn't just batter his way through or he would have done that as well. Likely any attempt to force it open would have damaged the relay, or it may also have been created to be highly impervious to damage in order to survive all the eons, and so simply hitting it with a laser repeatedly wasn't a good option to open it. It likely would have taken a long time to force it open, in which time the galaxy now unanoumously identifies a threat (Sovereign), amasses a fleet against him and he's destroyed. Not only does this halt the Reaper invasion at present, but it also gives the galaxy reason to investigate what Sovereign was, potentially find out and raise a fleet in defence of the rest of the Reaper invasion. One of the key elements of the Reaper invasion is that the galaxy doesn't know they exist and can't prepare a defense against them, so simply marching in for an attempt that doesn't have a 100% success rate isn't a good idea because it exposes you.
It's not really that much of a plot hole that the Normadny met up with the Alliance fleet, what you guys failed to notice was - the Council stated that EVERY relay leading to Citadel space was guarded by fleets. WHERE was the Geth fleet waiting to jump straight to the Citadel without being noticed? A logical answer would be, there wasn't, they had to fight their way to the Citadel. A counter argument is that they eliminated a fleet and were waiting, but that doesn't make a great deal of sense either because the Citadel would have noticed an entire fleet dropped out of communication. They would had to have quickly fought their way through all the relays in order to stop the Citadel becoming alerted from lack of fleet communication, which suggests that relay travel is potentially very fast.
The time it took Sovereign to fight it's way to the Citadel seemed very short in theory, so the tome it took Shephard to fight through all the forces of Saren on the inside of the Citadel, and then fight him could have been plenty of time for Normandy to be contacted by the 5th Fleet and make it's way to the Citadel. We know that Relay travel is much faster than FTL speed so it's likely almost instanatenous transportation.
It's simple, if attacking the Citadel head on was a good idea, Sovereign would have done it - he didn't, so it obviously wasn't a good idea.
He wasn't invincible and the arms would have been closed before he could gain access to the Citadel tower. While it is unlikely he would have been destroyed outright if he attempted entry and got locked out, he obviously couldn't just batter his way through or he would have done that as well. Likely any attempt to force it open would have damaged the relay, or it may also have been created to be highly impervious to damage in order to survive all the eons, and so simply hitting it with a laser repeatedly wasn't a good option to open it. It likely would have taken a long time to force it open, in which time the galaxy now unanoumously identifies a threat (Sovereign), amasses a fleet against him and he's destroyed. Not only does this halt the Reaper invasion at present, but it also gives the galaxy reason to investigate what Sovereign was, potentially find out and raise a fleet in defence of the rest of the Reaper invasion. One of the key elements of the Reaper invasion is that the galaxy doesn't know they exist and can't prepare a defense against them, so simply marching in for an attempt that doesn't have a 100% success rate isn't a good idea because it exposes you.
It's not really that much of a plot hole that the Normadny met up with the Alliance fleet, what you guys failed to notice was - the Council stated that EVERY relay leading to Citadel space was guarded by fleets. WHERE was the Geth fleet waiting to jump straight to the Citadel without being noticed? A logical answer would be, there wasn't, they had to fight their way to the Citadel. A counter argument is that they eliminated a fleet and were waiting, but that doesn't make a great deal of sense either because the Citadel would have noticed an entire fleet dropped out of communication. They would had to have quickly fought their way through all the relays in order to stop the Citadel becoming alerted from lack of fleet communication, which suggests that relay travel is potentially very fast.
The time it took Sovereign to fight it's way to the Citadel seemed very short in theory, so the tome it took Shephard to fight through all the forces of Saren on the inside of the Citadel, and then fight him could have been plenty of time for Normandy to be contacted by the 5th Fleet and make it's way to the Citadel. We know that Relay travel is much faster than FTL speed so it's likely almost instanatenous transportation.
Modifié par vegiisan, 19 avril 2010 - 06:32 .
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 06:25
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