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[Doctor_Jackstraw]

The conduit allowed him to get into citadel space close enough that Soverign would not have to fight through the C-Sec and Alliance military to reach the console chambers. Basically it was a back door into the citadel, following the protheans, to unlock their lock before the citadel races could stop them, unfortunately shepard was right on his tail and stopped him. A single reaper is not enough to stop an entire galactic army, but warping an entire reaper armada into the heart of a galactic nation is enough to decimate ANY army. that was the plan. without the citadel any military power would be severely diminished in the face of this unknown foe, an organized army against an unorganized and scattered army will always win.

[sumof all fear]

Something that vigil said may be very important to this topic, since most of you seem to have forgotten it.



"all records of illos were destroyed during the initial attack on the citadel, the facility went dark, and they hid"



The reapers clearly did not know about Illos, saren was looking for a way to get on to the citadel without everyone knowing, and had to figure out where the conduit was for himself, there is nothing to say that saren even knew where it was. Which makes sense given that they only knew where the receiving end of the conduit was, because there was nothing to tell the reapers, let alone saren, where the conduit was.

[Noble 1]

Stoko981 wrote...

The master plan, the way they decided to get the Reapers back, just required Saren to walk into the Council Chambers, activate the hidden Master Control Console and open the relay. Meanwhile, Sovereign and the Geth fleet attack the Citadel as a massive distraction. This is what happens at the end of the game. If Shepard hadn't made it through the Conduit in time, Saren would have activated the relay, the Reapers would have returned.

So why did he chase all over the galaxy for clues to it's location? He attacked Eden Prime to access the vision in the beacon, he bartered with the Thorian to help him understand it, etc etc. Why didn't he just go to the Council Chamber from the start? Why bother attacking Eden Prime at all? Presumably he used a file or intel from Sovereign to access the Master Control Console, Vigil certainly didn't give it to him. Basically, why did the entire game actually happen? The Conduit wasn't the key to bringing the Reapers back, the Conduit was a back door to the Presidium, which prior to being revealed as rogue, he didn't need a back door to get to.

Why didn't Sovereign just skip the whole thing and attack, with Saren in position to open the relay manually?

I'm assuming that he wouldn't be allowed to waltz in.  So he needed a way to get himself onto the presidium with a battalion of Geth to help him take the control room.

Bottom line, without a way to get himself and the geth onto the Presidium (They would have been slaughtered trying to enter directly, just too many ships/soldiers) they were not getting to the Conduit.  Period.

[Mr. Sprinkles101]

A major plot hole is the asari councillor not checking in on Shepard's vision

[gethspy]

Stoko981 wrote...

The master plan, the way they decided to get the Reapers back, just required Saren to walk into the Council Chambers, activate the hidden Master Control Console and open the relay. Meanwhile, Sovereign and the Geth fleet attack the Citadel as a massive distraction. This is what happens at the end of the game. If Shepard hadn't made it through the Conduit in time, Saren would have activated the relay, the Reapers would have returned.

So why did he chase all over the galaxy for clues to it's location? He attacked Eden Prime to access the vision in the beacon, he bartered with the Thorian to help him understand it, etc etc. Why didn't he just go to the Council Chamber from the start? Why bother attacking Eden Prime at all? Presumably he used a file or intel from Sovereign to access the Master Control Console, Vigil certainly didn't give it to him. Basically, why did the entire game actually happen? The Conduit wasn't the key to bringing the Reapers back, the Conduit was a back door to the Presidium, which prior to being revealed as rogue, he didn't need a back door to get to.

Why didn't Sovereign just skip the whole thing and attack, with Saren in position to open the relay manually?

Saren was just supposed to get things nice and ready for sovreign actually opened the relay. Also if Saren took the Geth that were with him in the "front door" someone would notice. and finally Shepard didnt know what the Condiut did in the first place

[Christmas Ape]

Because the Reapers are machines. They've done this "wipe out galactic civilization" thing a thousand times, like clockwork every time. They have A Plan, and it works.



Until now. The Keepers don't respond. They did last time. Why now?



It's not enough for the Reapers to simply sidestep the issue and proceed on Plan B. Plan A failed for a reason, and they need to eliminate the variable.



They're just being good scientists.

[Mjf1989]

I figured it all out. I was confused too for a while so I watched some cutscenes until I pieced it all together, except for one thing. It would make perfect sense that Saren intended to waltz in and take over the Citadel so that Sov could invade with his army of geth. However...a prothean beacon was found so Sov sent Saren to investigate it. When they realized it was a warning about the reapers + information about the Illos base, they decided to destroy the beacon so no organics could accidently intercept this warning. Unfortunatly for them Shepard stumbled onto this knoweledge and quickly thereafter evidence that Saren was involved in the attack via Tali's info. The evidence stripped him of his spectre status, thus leaving the conduit the only way saren could gain access to the citadel. He would also need his army of geth to manually take over the citadel since he was now a wanted criminal.   Where this all falls apart is the evidence itself. "One step closer to finding the conduit. And one step closer to the return of the reapers." This suggests that Saren somehow needed the conduit to activate the citadel relay in the beginning before he was even stripped of his rank / attacked eden prime. I guess what it boils down to is how did Saren run into Sov and how long had they been in contact before planning their attack on the citidal. One could also presume they were biding their time for their krogan armies to build up so that they could have a sizeable ground force under their control for planet-side conflicts.  Following that line of logic one could assume that it became a race to find the conduit as soon as they realized another organic knew about Illos and that it was the only way for the now rogue spectre to gain access to the citadel.    This is all speculation and I've been up all night playing mass effect so excuse me if I sound like a rambling idiot..I hope this makes sense.

Modifié par Mjf1989, 15 août 2010 - 11:58 .

[sammcl]

It is a pretty wierd plothole, Saren was probably the Council's most trusted agent. I don't think it's unreasonable to think Saren could get to the council chambers under the pretence of a meeting, kill the council and use sneaky tactics like explosives to clear the remaining guards, then do his thang at the control console. The only problem I can think of is that since he would still be trusted, the Council wouldn't have ordered extra patrols at each mass relay so there might be more ships at the citadel for Sovereign to deal with.

[Lupus Canivus]

The thing most forget is that the Reapers did not plan for Saren or the Geth. They had the Keepers to open the door! But this failed because the Protheans, from Illos, had changed the coding for the Keepers, so that they ignored the Reapers call. And hence did not open the gate for the rest of them out in the void. When this happened is not know. One, two, three or hundreds of years ago. The Reapers are methodical and patiencent.



They then set about both trying to find the cause and a new way to open the gate. Hence Saren and the Geth. They had no knowledge about the conduit, or what the Protheans had done. It was only with Edan Prime that they became aware. That's why they had Geth scouting the galaxy. Also remember that they were hoping to use the Rachni as soldiers!



The Reapers, and this seems likely, were involved in the Rachni Wars. The Queen makes this quite clear that those other "Queens" had in some way been influenced in their behaviour.

[TT56]

Ok so this is a little off topic but it still has to do with the conduit. The conduit on IIos was built by the protheans to connect to the mini mass relay in the middle of the presidium but i don't get who built the mass relay on the citadelthat the conduit connected to and if the prothean's built both how did they get back to the citadel after it was taken over by the reapers? I never understood that but since i havent seen anyone else ask the question i think i just missed something. And secondly, this is just an opinion question,  if you just succeded in making the citadel mass relay that would allow the reapers back into the galaxy unoperational why would you leave a "backdoor" open into it? It doesnt make any sense.

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

Mr. Sprinkles101 wrote...

A major plot hole is the asari councillor not checking in on Shepard's vision

^ This

[mcsupersport]

TT56 wrote...

Ok so this is a little off topic but it still has to do with the conduit. The conduit on IIos was built by the protheans to connect to the mini mass relay in the middle of the presidium but i don't get who built the mass relay on the citadelthat the conduit connected to and if the prothean's built both how did they get back to the citadel after it was taken over by the reapers? I never understood that but since i havent seen anyone else ask the question i think i just missed something. And secondly, this is just an opinion question,  if you just succeded in making the citadel mass relay that would allow the reapers back into the galaxy unoperational why would you leave a "backdoor" open into it? It doesnt make any sense.

The Protheans were developing Mass Relay technology, and were in the very early stages of doing so.  They designed an one way relay to test the theories and to see if they could, it began on Ilos and ended on the Citadel, and was called the conduit.  Since the colony of Ilos was a top secret research base, knowledge of it was limited in the extreme.  Since it couldn't have routine supply routes it must have been fairly self suffient and thus was able to sruvive the Reaper invasion for a time.  Once that time passed Cryo sleep was used to save a small research team, to try to prevent the Reapers from ever winning again.  Once they had a plan they returned to the Citadel via the Conduit.

The Protheans DIDN'T do anything to the Citadel relay at all, they simply modified the Keepers/signal to the Keepers to prevent them from opening the Citadel relay on command.  The Protheans hadn't evolved enough to actually change the Citadel relay, even if the Keepers would have allowed the changes to remain.

The Citadel Relay could only be opened by either the Keepers or a Reaper using the main Citadel controls.  Saren's job was to find out what happened, and then he had to use the Conduit to get a large enough force inside the control area to turn over control to Sovereign.  Once Sovereign had control, he could then go through the process of opening the Main Relay and bringing back the Reapers.