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[illusive.man]

 First off let me start by saying this forum is not racist or offensive to any group or certain nationality furthermore this forum is not meant to offend any religous group and I would like all people commenting on this forum to listen to these rules while posting on the RNR forum.   I am just curious about how nationality race religon and overall how human identity is represented in Mass Effect, for example why are their almost no south east Asians in the game (The Chinese Indonesian Group) It puzzles me why they are not really represented in the game. Furthermore why does everyone speak English, I do understand this is the English version of the game but why does everyone speak English ? Where are the Spanish Speakers ? I thought Canada, The united states and Mexico were now one state ? if so why do we not see any French Canadians Or Spanish speaking Mexicans only James Vega says a few Spanish words nobody else literally and nobody even has a accent about from the French butler at the sushi place in the citadel DLC, also why was he French sushi is a Japanese food have all the south east Asians been banned from space travel ? Also why is everyone a American ? They all sound American and have American (European) facial features even the black people and brown people in the game just look like European Americans with a diffrent skin tone I am also confused about why 90% of all the humans in Mass Effect are White even though white people account for 20% of the worlds population, have all the western nations prohibited everyone else from going into space. Furthermore all humans seem to be atheist unlike the other species in the game which follow religions where are the 2Billion Christians did they all turn atheist ? Just beacuse we have space travel we suddenly turned atheist ? I have many more questions to ask about RNR but I just cant fit them into 1 post and I am wondering if anyone can answer the questions I have just asked ?

[eyezonlyii]

Woah...wall o' text...but anyway, here we go:

Most of the time, minority people aren't really represented in terms of numbers in futuristic entertainment. This is more than likely a symptom of the "our audience" thought process, in the same vein as why most protagonists are male. They "know" that their core group is "young, white, and male" so thus, the world is catered to draw them in.

As far as language and accents, a bit of diversity would have helped, but I can understand their decision not to include too many. From what I remember of theatre class back when I dabbled, it takes some time for a person to get used to a new accent, so my guess is that they didn't want to flood the game with all these different accents and distract the player from the dialogue itself.

Lastly, religion is a touchy subject in most areas, and there are relatively few people who go around just proclaiming their religion all the time. It's more of a personal matter, and doesn't really come up. I think as a producer of entertainment for a large and diverse group of people, it was best to address it as minimally as possible, unless addressing an issue or as part of a character's personality, such as Ashley in ME1.

[TheMyron]

The auto-translator works among your fellow humans AND the alien languages; hence everyone seems to speak English... on Noveria you encounter a Japanese guard who uses "san" and "sama" when referring to someone. As for religion, well, Bioware and EA are "politically correct".

[AlexMBrennan]

while posting on the RNR forum

You suffer from delusions of grandeur - making one post does not make a religion, nationalism & racism forum.

why does everyone speak English ? Where are the Spanish Speakers ? I thought Canada, The united states and Mexico were now one state ?

Why does everyone in the US speak English when the nation was founded by the English, Germans, Spanish, etc?

also why was he French sushi is a Japanese food have all the south east Asians been banned from space travel

Because being Asian is not a requirement to work at a sushi restaurant?

In general, this is all down to model reuse - once you've made a white Caucasian, they are more likely to clone him a few times than to make a new model.

Furthermore all humans seem to be atheist unlike the other species in the game which follow religions where are the 2Billion Christians did they all turn atheist ?

Is it so hard to imagine that humans would eventually outgrow their bronze-age fairy tales? /joke

Seriously though, given that there is one person who mentioned religion at all it seems a bit of a stretch to conclude that all humans are atheist. Religion is a controversial topic, and the writers avoided it as much as possible for that reason.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 25 décembre 2013 - 08:11 .

[Grizzly46]

Humanity has been simplified for much of the reasons preivious poster said, but this also goes for all the other races who fullfil the trope "A planet of hats" 100%. How many turian nations are there? How many religions has the batarians had? How many languages does the asari have? And so on. They have pretty much one hat, and so do the humans. Which is a damn shame really.

When it comes to the people then, well I know Alenko is Canadian and Williams is a believing christian, Vega comes from the Pacific somewhere and often spices up the language with Spanish. And, one scientist on Noveria in ME1 speaks with a clear Russian accent.

But that is it, unfortunately.

And please OP, use paragraphs to break up that damn wall of text.

Modifié par Grizzly46, 25 décembre 2013 - 07:57 .

[Nightwriter]

I was reasonably satisfied with the diversity of ethnicities present. I understand they are a North American developer and not every culture or subculture can be represented convincingly or practically in the game. Of course, I also understand that I'm white and am in general not in a position to know what it feels like to be underrepresented.

I was a little stumped about how I could hear Spanish or Japanese words in the game when my translator was supposed to be turning everything into English but I try not to think too much about translators anyway. Maybe it only translates non-human languages. Of course, that wouldn't explain why all the aliens' mouths seem to be forming the English words I am hearing. You would think it would be more like watching a dubbed movie. No, no, mustn't think about it.

[Farangbaa]

TheMyron wrote...

The auto-translator works among your fellow humans AND the alien languages; hence everyone seems to speak English... on Noveria you encounter a Japanese guard who uses "san" and "sama" when referring to someone. As for religion, well, Bioware and EA are "politically correct".

That translator is funny though. It translates everything except "Bosh'tet" and "Keelah se-lai"  (spelling is probably wrong)

[AlanC9]

StreetMagic wrote...

Besides Ash, you can now add Jack making a sort of generic reference "God" as well. Not in a religious sense. Just as a general point of hope. It hasn't left the entire lexicon for humans at least.

As for race, I think there's a lot of mixed cultures going on. The Alliance is stationed in Rio, had the First Contact War in Shanxi, and names stations after Yuri Gagarin and Gus Grissom alike.

Not Gus Grissom. Though I suppose the MEU character might have been named after him.

[AlanC9]

Grizzly46 wrote...
When it comes to the people then, well I know Alenko is Canadian and Williams is a believing christian, Vega comes from the Pacific somewhere and often spices up the language with Spanish. And, one scientist on Noveria in ME1 speaks with a clear Russian accent.
 

There's a few more. The Bhatias and Lieutenant Girard come to mind.

[Han Shot First]

Keep in mind that a lot of the characters might not actually be speaking English, and are just being translated into it (and thus sound North American) by the universal translators. Why does everyone sound like they are from the United States or Canada? Probably because that's where Shepard's translator was manufactured.

Yankee cultural imperialism is alive and well!

Sing along OP...

Modifié par Han Shot First, 26 décembre 2013 - 05:07 .

[AlanC9]

So we hear accents only on the people who really are speaking English? Works for me.

Anyone know what the non-English versions of the game do with accents?

[Han Shot First]

The weird thing is why doesn't Anderson speak with a British accent, if he is from London?

The only thing I could figure is that Anderson probably sounds like this, and unable to take him seriously, Shepard downloaded an app to make him sound like Keith David.

Btw, I'm now imagining Anderson yelling at Joker, "Where the f--k are we, you mug?"

Modifié par Han Shot First, 26 décembre 2013 - 05:52 .

[Han Shot First]

StreetMagic wrote...

Well, he just said he was born there. Might've not stayed long. I was born in Hawaii, but I don't sound as cool as them, unfortunately. Or maybe, London has become an even bigger melting pot by then, like American metropolises.

edit: coud've sworn Hackett was born in South America too.

And Bailey's first name is Armando. Strange for his general appearance and demeanor. I'm guessing all the cultures are heavily mixed.

Hackett was born in Buenos Aires. I always assumed though that his parents were expats from somewhere in the Anglosphere (or at least his father was) given that both his first and last names aren't Spanish.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 26 décembre 2013 - 06:01 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Han Shot First wrote...

The weird thing is why doesn't Anderson speak with a British accent, if he is from London?

The only thing I could figure is that Anderson probably sounds like this, and unable to take him seriously, Shepard downloaded an app to make him sound like Keith David.

Btw, I'm now imagining Anderson yelling at Joker, "Where the f--k are we, you mug?"

I think it's mentioned in the dossier that Anderson has family in Atlanta, or somewhere in Dixie.

Look at Hackett: He's from Buenos Aires.

I think the point of the game is to show how the human race has expanded to a point where diversity is prevalent everywhere on the planet, and also on colonies where differences are no longer marginalized.

[Grizzly46]

Psychevore wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

The auto-translator works among your fellow humans AND the alien languages; hence everyone seems to speak English... on Noveria you encounter a Japanese guard who uses "san" and "sama" when referring to someone. As for religion, well, Bioware and EA are "politically correct".

That translator is funny though. It translates everything except "Bosh'tet" and "Keelah se-lai"  (spelling is probably wrong)

I think that might be because there are no good equivalents in human language/English. The obiqutous F-word is a more local example - it can be used as a replacement for pretty much any noun, verb or adjective, but in other langages, a direct translation would just come out... wrong. There are other words too, as shown here.

[Only-Twin]

I think the general idea is that humanity has become very diverse and less segregated over time. After all, it is supposed to be more than 150 years from now.

I think they did account for a fair few nationalities. You get American, Canadian, Mexican, French, Australian, Japanese, Indian, etc. I assume the translator accounts for this, or more likely those serving off-world have simply learned English.

As for the religion aspect, they tried to show that some characters (Ashley) are still Christian. But I think it's reasonable to assume the discovery of aliens would throw a lot of religions into question.

[Secretlyapotato]

I always though Kasumi was being translated, but James isn't so you hear him speaking Spanish sometimes. And maybe the translator is like super awesome and chooses words to match the previous lip sync so their lips look like their moving with it.

Or whatever, space magic.

Modifié par Secretlyapotato, 26 décembre 2013 - 07:00 .

[Farangbaa]

Grizzly46 wrote...

Psychevore wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

The auto-translator works among your fellow humans AND the alien languages; hence everyone seems to speak English... on Noveria you encounter a Japanese guard who uses "san" and "sama" when referring to someone. As for religion, well, Bioware and EA are "politically correct".

That translator is funny though. It translates everything except "Bosh'tet" and "Keelah se-lai"  (spelling is probably wrong)

I think that might be because there are no good equivalents in human language/English. The obiqutous F-word is a more local example - it can be used as a replacement for pretty much any noun, verb or adjective, but in other langages, a direct translation would just come out... wrong. There are other words too, as shown here.

For Bosh' tet that might be true, but Keelah se-lai is translated in game by Tali herself.

Space magic, as someone said

Funny how I realized the translator screw ups for Quarian, but not for Spanish 

Modifié par Psychevore, 26 décembre 2013 - 08:55 .

[Nightwriter]

For some reason, I always thought it would be kind of cool if the more obscure alien species (like the yahg or something) had speech that sounded halting, staticky, or garbled because little research has been done into them and your translator isn't fully programmed for their language. So you hear dialogue that skips like a scratched CD or dialogue where you only understand every third word or so.

I guess that might get annoying, but it sure would be immersive.