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[jaza]

Tharja wrote...

I rather have it on a Disk because digi downloads sometimes take forever

This.

I love Steam and digital providers (or whatever Im supposed to call them) but **** those download times. **** them with a halberd.

[HiroVoid]

Digital downloads are the future, but they're the future; not the present. We still have to make more progress in other areas before we can move to an all-digital media.

[badboy64]

I prefer the harddisk over digital copy anyday.

[Thibax]

The problem is with internet.
If you download one time, it's ok.
But if you need to uninstall and install again when you will play.
Oh downloading and installing games are so boring.

Disk = you only need to install
Digital = download and install

Imagine when appears a patch? Oh God, save me. More download and more install

if it were faster.

Is right?

[AltanIV]

Moghedia wrote...

Call me old fashioned but I prefer hard copies to digital downloads. Besides not everyone has a good enough connection to download games from Origin/Steam whatever.

that. And I don't really like these digital copies. downloading a patch and downloading a game is not the same.
A patch takes far less disk space than any game. (Well except for a few little games.) And as such you need far less time to download it. 

And an empty disk doesn't cost that much. (from 0,5 to 2,5 € per unit - depends of the quality I think)

And the case... Well I don't really care about the case, I wouldn't mind if they did the same kind of case they do for the audio cds.

Edit : In the same way that I don't care about the case in itself I wouldn't mind if there only was a single edition (ultimate, signature, collection edition & co are marketing editions more than anything)

Modifié par AltanIV, 26 décembre 2013 - 05:21 .

[Jaulen]

One of the points the OP brings up is cost.

I do think, that from the outset, the digital copy should be cheaper, slightly, compared to a physical copy.


There's no manufacturing costs for the jewelcase or the disk, no production costs for the disk, no printing costs for the disk or the inserts, no shipping costs....you have to pay the costs for each one of these disks.

[Thibax]

Yes, digital copy should be cheaper, but it's not.

If the developers from all games only release just an unique version of their games, they won't spend so money with physical copies.

It's collection, ultimate, game of the year editions...

Stop! Nature will be thankful.

[t0mm06]

Jaulen wrote...

One of the points the OP brings up is cost.

I do think, that from the outset, the digital copy should be cheaper, slightly, compared to a physical copy.


There's no manufacturing costs for the jewelcase or the disk, no production costs for the disk, no printing costs for the disk or the inserts, no shipping costs....you have to pay the costs for each one of these disks.

To be fair with Digital downloads you have to pay for the servers and stuff like that, especially considering they need to let you download stuff relitively quickely, Compare downloading a 15gb game on steam (takes me 10 hours) if i downloaded 15gb for films or tv on the same computer/internet it take me like 3 days..
Serves and stuff like that cost a fair bit

[Get Magna Carter]

Jaulen wrote...
One of the points the OP brings up is cost.
I do think, that from the outset, the digital copy should be cheaper, slightly, compared to a physical copy.
There's no manufacturing costs for the jewelcase or the disk, no production costs for the disk, no printing costs for the disk or the inserts, no shipping costs....you have to pay the costs for each one of these disks.

It's complicated.
If digital versions were cheaper than physical versions then more people (with good-enough internet connections) would buy digital and fewer would buy from shops.
A lot of game shops are already struggling (due to online competition and ecconomic problems), already many of them are having to focus on the used-games market to stay in business.  A drop in sales may cause them to close down making games less visible and available, hurting games sales and thus hurting the games industry.

[Jaulen]

t0mm06 wrote...

Jaulen wrote...

One of the points the OP brings up is cost.

I do think, that from the outset, the digital copy should be cheaper, slightly, compared to a physical copy.


There's no manufacturing costs for the jewelcase or the disk, no production costs for the disk, no printing costs for the disk or the inserts, no shipping costs....you have to pay the costs for each one of these disks.

To be fair with Digital downloads you have to pay for the servers and stuff like that, especially considering they need to let you download stuff relitively quickely, Compare downloading a 15gb game on steam (takes me 10 hours) if i downloaded 15gb for films or tv on the same computer/internet it take me like 3 days..
Serves and stuff like that cost a fair bit

Server space for a game can be phased out and reallocated to newer games if the game isn't selling well, or is old. It's not like they purchase a server for a specific game and that server can only ever be used for that game. It's an reusable asset that can be spread across multiple titles.  

The same can't be said of the physical copies of games. They don't take them back and pull out the artwork to reuse the jewel cases on new games, and they can't reburn/reskin the disks for new games. All the unsold games just go into the trash. (that's waste of resources to me)


Although it would be interesting to know the specifics on the per-copy cost to get a physical disk into a consumer's hand vs getting a digital copy downloaded to a consumer.

[Jaulen]

Get Magna Carter wrote...

Jaulen wrote...
One of the points the OP brings up is cost.
I do think, that from the outset, the digital copy should be cheaper, slightly, compared to a physical copy.
There's no manufacturing costs for the jewelcase or the disk, no production costs for the disk, no printing costs for the disk or the inserts, no shipping costs....you have to pay the costs for each one of these disks.

It's complicated.
If digital versions were cheaper than physical versions then more people (with good-enough internet connections) would buy digital and fewer would buy from shops.
A lot of game shops are already struggling (due to online competition and ecconomic problems), already many of them are having to focus on the used-games market to stay in business.  A drop in sales may cause them to close down making games less visible and available, hurting games sales and thus hurting the games industry.

Brick and mortar stores are struggling anyway.....not just game stores.

I can go into a Gamestop and buy a physical copy of a game, or go to Gamestop.com and buy a physical copy of a game or the digital download of the game.

For a company like Gamestop, it would make more sense, (if the digital copy of the game costs the same as the hardcopy of the game from the publisher), to make the digital copy slightly cheaper. They don't have to pay rent/insurance/utilities/cleaning on a physical storefront, they don't have to pay shipping to get the copy of the game, they don't have to pay storefront employee wages. From a profit standpoint, it makes sense to move business online and phase out storefronts when possible, especially for items that can be non-tangible, like e-books and games.

[ElitePinecone]

Osena109 wrote...

 Lets face it the Disk is dead i don't even have Disk drive in my PC any more waste of space with Digital down load it should cut the cost of games  we all should reap the rewards i know what you will see there are alot of people that don't got  good internet  providers  but most new games require a patch for them to work now adays

1. A lot of people still use physical discs. Even though you don't, you aren't everybody. 

2. Some people don't have fast internet access, or consistent internet access, or stable internet connections. In those cases, they definitely need discs. 

3. Discs - and by extension retail stores - are a huge retail market for games. A PC tech enthusiast who doesn't buy discs is *not* representative of the typical Dragon Age player, let alone a typical videogame player. I'd guess a solid majority of people who buy DA:I will purchase it on a disc. 

Edit: just to add: yes, the situation is changing, and it's quite possible that one day making games on discs will be uneconomical. Whether that's a good thing or not, *right now* there's still an enormous market for games on physical discs - and asking a publisher to abandon that market is just silly.

For Dragon Age 6 or 7, sure. DA:I? No way.

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 26 décembre 2013 - 06:29 .

[Afro_Explosion]

I'll probably buy it on digital because theft is an issue for me plus if I bought a physical copy and that was stolen I'd have to buy it again, but on digital im sure there is a type of online storage for your account purchases so you can just re download it.

[katerinafm]

I intend to buy a physical copy of DAI, just like I did for the previous games and the ME series. I almost always prefer to have hard copies instead of digital, especially for games I love and want in my library.

[GnusmasTHX]

A Golden Dragon wrote...

Physical copies of the game can still be installed even if there is an internet outage, so I preffer the hard copy.


So I'm old-school.  What of it?

In all likelihood, it can't be played if there's an internet outage.

I buy hardcopy because installation is faster and I like to look at the box and everything in it. I'll only buy digital if I'm feeling very lazy.

[AlanC9]

My DD games play just fine if the internet is out. I've tested it by pulling the plug.

Hardcopy installation is only faster if you don't count the time necessary to get the box to your house. As good as Amazon is, they still don't have transporters yet.

[GnusmasTHX]

AlanC9 wrote...
Hardcopy installation is only faster if you don't count the time necessary to get the box to your house. As good as Amazon is, they still don't have transporters yet.

I'm not sure why you think I live so far from a retailer, but I don't.

[Jaulen]

If you do have a decent internet connection I don't see why the download time is an issue over a hardcopy disk....do people sit there and watch the progress bar? I usually run a download right before going to bed or work.

but I understand wanting a hardcopy to keep in a library...afterall....I still buy hardcopy books.....I don't do e-readers (talk about resrouce heavy too!). For me, I like the smell of the books. If an e-reader would emit that 'book smell' I'd probably go all digital for my reading too.

[MerinTB]

 I would have said no, prior to the XBox One fiasco.  For the PC, at least.

Now, however...

we're in a weird transition period.  I think that physical copies should start doing what Blu-ray movies do (and many games DO do this) and give free digital copies with the physical copy (blu-ray combos coming with DVDs and digital, to help this very odd transition period for entertainment media.)

You get the old way (disc) but also the new way (digital) and, very quickly, you learn that the latter is better than the former.

I'm die-hard anti-blu-ray, but as I gain more and more blu-rays with the DVDs I purchase, I could see me eventually getting a blu-ray player...

except I already buy most my movies digitally only, and I'm a step ahead of blu-ray.:happy:

So I think, especially since DA:I is a cross-generation of platforms game, it NEEDS to have physical copies available.  But in the next year or so, I think you see physical copies of games go the way of music CD's and retail PC games.

Best Buy sells digital cards to buy games for some titles, like BioShock Infinite, already. 

[GnusmasTHX]

Origin and STEAM and every other similar service provides that feature. So virtually every game.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 26 décembre 2013 - 08:19 .

[ElitePinecone]

AlanC9 wrote...

Hardcopy installation is only faster if you don't count the time necessary to get the box to your house. As good as Amazon is, they still don't have transporters yet.

I don't think that's necessarily true. For people that live in large cities a nearby game store is only a short trip away, not days of shipping from an online retailer like Amazon.

(And that's before considering the price differential - in Australia physical game discs are still far cheaper than digital downloads.)

I picked up a PS4 and Assassin's Creed in an afternoon and had it installed within an hour - it would've taken a day or more to download a full game of that size on my internet connection, and I live in a relatively good service area. 

[MerinTB]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Origin and STEAM and every other similar service provides that feature. So virtually every game.

Games that require Origin or Steam to activate, sure.  There are still games that don't require either (though I'm sure the number has shrunk considerably over the last couple years.)

[Blackrising]

Yeah...no.
I prefer hard copies. If I spend money on it, I expect to get something tangible out of it. I want a nice box and a few disks and a manual.
And a few other goodies if I ordered the Collectors Edition. :3

[schalafi]

Something is wrong with my dvd player, and I can't install any newer games that I own. I went to Origin, where they had info on my registered games, and I downloaded three of them. Downloading a game like DA:O or Mass Effect takes quite a while, so I started my download right before I went to bed, and in the morning it was downloaded. No trouble at all.