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[t0mm06]

David7204 wrote...

Straight from Wikipedia - (emphasis mine)

"The main advantages of digital distribution over the previously dominant retail distribution of video games include significantly reduced production, deployment, and storage costs."

Digital distribution also offers new structural possibilities for the whole video game industry, which, prior to the emergence of digital media as a relevant means of distribution, was usually built around the relationship of the video game developer, who produced the game, and the video game publisher, who financed and organized the distribution and sale. The heightened production costs in the early 2000s made many video game publishers avoid risks and led to the rejection of many smaller-scale game development projects.[15] Gabe Newell, creator of the PC digital distribution service Steam, described the disadvantages of physical retail distribution for smaller game developers as such:

The worst days [for game development] were the cartridge days for the NES. It was a huge risk – you had all this money tied up in silicon in a warehouse somewhere, and so you’d be conservative in the decisions you felt you could make, very conservative in the IPs you signed, your art direction would not change, and so on. Now it’s the opposite extreme: we can put something up on Steam, deliver it to people all around the world, make changes. We can take more interesting risks.[...] Retail doesn’t know how to deal with those games. On Steam [a digital distributor] there’s no shelf-space restriction.
—Gabe Newell, Rock, Paper, Shotgun[3]"

Now, although it doesn't explicitly say that the savings are less than the cost of the servers and whatnot, it doesn't say otherwise either. And it would. If digital distribution actually did cost more or the same, the article would say so. And it doesn't.

WOW an article from Wikipedia! 

But no sarcasm aside fistly i would be curious to see when this quote from Gabe was from, as with more and more games beign digital then costs will go up on all sides to keep things like steam and uplay ect going.
ALSO the highlighted points. Now a lot of articles can and are written with an end goal, e..g they wanted to promote digital distribution. so you asying  'And it would. If digital distribution actually did cost more or the same, the article would say so. And it doesn't.' actually isnt true. They wouldn't say that as that is not the message that they want to send via the article. 
Also the very top. Yes digital distribution is cheaper when it comes to thoes things... this is because thoes things are a tiny part of digital distibution, which spends its money on other areas that are not mentioned above. 

[Bluto Blutarskyx]

Angrywolves wrote...

I would never buy a digital download for a full rpg game.Too hard to replace if you lose your machine.I wouldn't buy a game without a disc.

this^
buy I also only play on consoles.

[CynicalShep]

Jaulen wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

People who don't work can't spend money on "progress", Dave. They have none, or worse, they're bankrolled by people who work their tails off.

 at the idea that companies and shareholders care if people are put out of jobs due to progress.

We might care, but they don't.

Sure, except there's more to it than "we cut the costs = profit". It is going to change but I believe it's too early. Cloud storage, for instance, is one of the things that is not developed and widespread enough for this change to bear fruit. Internet speed is another one. 

[Jaulen]

Interesting:

From Escapist
"[Digital games aren't cheaper] because we want consumers to value software as highly as possible and because we have been trying to heighten the value of our software whenever we produce it," Iwata said during an investor Q&A, adding "We decided that, since the contents are the same, the company would offer the software at the same price, be it the packaged version or the digital version."


From Forbes:
http://www.forbes.co...-on-used-games/

Another site (specifically talking about AU) and digital game prices:
http://leviathyn.com...mes-be-cheaper/

Modifié par Jaulen, 26 décembre 2013 - 11:12 .

[DPSSOC]

David7204 wrote...

We can't refuse to make progress because we'd be putting people out of jobs.

Sure we can.  Progress is not always a good thing, latching onto and running forward with something just because it's progress is indisputably a bad idea.  If anything we should be the ones arguing against "progress" because what you're proposing has no direct benefit for us.  It has direct benefits for publishers and developers perhaps, but not us.  Retailers do offer a direct benefit for us, they provide low entry cost jobs.  The more places we have providing more jobs the better for us as a whole because people with a steady income are less likely to resort to theft and other criminal activities than those with no income.

You, me, Average Joe, aren't going to benefit from digital distribution beyond not having to keep track of a disc.  Prices will not go down, quality will not go up, digital distribution is not the Holy Grail that will lead us into a new gaming utopia.

t0mm06 wrote...
I would say an email i a good deal more secure then a receipt. you can print them out to have a hard copy but also keep them in a store box online incase you lose the hard copy, something you cannot do if you lose a normal receipt.

True, but Jimmy was talking about distributors adding in redundancies so that even if the hard copy and email are lost you can still prove your purchase.  They aren't going to do that, they're going to put all the pressure on the customer to keep track of that, because they want you to lose it.
 

t0mm06 wrote...
And thats has not been the case for me in either steam or Uplay. With steam i once spent £30 on a game i didnt want by accientally pressing wrong buttons, this was %100 my fault. But i emailed them and as i hadnt tried to insteall the game they gave me a full refund. ALSO with Uplay i lost 3 peices of DLC for AC3 and when i emailed them i got a response withing the day AND the following day recived an apology and a free DLC for my troubles

Again that's because alternatives exist.  You have other retailers you can go to to get the product you want, so they have a reason to cultivate customer goodwill.  If they became the only source for the product though they don't have to, your options are to deal with them or not buy the product, and most people are going to choose to just bite the bullet and deal with them.

You ever live in a town that only had one of a particular kind of store?  One grocery store, one bank, etc.  Those people are absolute pricks because they can get away with it, because outside of going out of town you've got no other options.  Business civility is dependent on competition, if you don't have anywhere else to go for the product they offer, they will screw you.

[Maverick827]

1. Download game
2. Back up game files on external drive/disc/USB

Oh look, only two steps.

Modifié par Maverick827, 26 décembre 2013 - 11:25 .

[CrabbyCrackers]

I want it on disk, i don't buy game dls. i live in the middle of no where, bad connection. and a game doesnt need to be updated to play, in fact my gta5 was buged do to the update i downloaded and had to uninstall it and reinstall game off line for it to even work. so disk for me.

[CynicalShep]

Maverick827 wrote...

1. Download game
2. Back up game files on external drive/disc/USB

Oh look, only two steps.

So in order to be part of the "progress" and get the digital version at the same price I only need to spend extra money on fast Internet and an external hard drive? That's an excellent bargain.

[The Night Mammoth]

I don't game on a PC, so why the **** would I ever want to go digital downloads? It's more expensive, takes up hard drive space I can't really spare for massive files, and takes a whole day to download, using up the bandwith I and the three other people who share it need for other things. And what if my machine breaks? Then I've got to download it again, or spend more money on massive HDD's to back it up.

I'll switch to digital downloads when it becomes more convenient than buying physical copies. When downloading full HD games like DA:I is like downloading an app to my phone, then we've got progress. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 27 décembre 2013 - 12:03 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Maverick827 wrote...

1. Download game
2. Back up game files on external drive/disc/USB

Oh look, only two steps.

1. Buy physical copy, don't need to back up files.

Oh look only one step

[HiddenInWar]

of course it should be on disc. going to GameStop and buying new games sounds way better than waiting three hours for it to download.

[Ravensword]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

1. Download game
2. Back up game files on external drive/disc/USB

Oh look, only two steps.

1. Buy physical copy, don't need to back up files.

Oh look only one step

Way to knock the smug outta that post.

[AresKeith]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

1. Download game
2. Back up game files on external drive/disc/USB

Oh look, only two steps.

1. Buy physical copy, don't need to back up files.

Oh look only one step

Is that a burn, looks like a burn

[luna1124]

I hope so. I hate downloading a huge game.

[rl chessmaster]

Disc copy. **** the digital ****. What if i want to let a friend borrow it?

[Osena109]

rl chessmaster wrote...

Disc copy. **** the digital ****. What if i want to let a friend borrow it?

tell your friend to get a job  we can't let people borrow pc games

[Ninja Stan]

Not DAI related.

End of line.