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[frustratemyself]

Osena109 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

So do we all agree that the OP is most likely a troll?

Am no troll but I do think the Disk  is reaching  Obsolete status take that as you like  my friend

Yeah so incredibly obsolete for people with low data caps on their internet, can't get their console online or have no internet connection at home at all.

Gee I wish I was as special as you op.

[TheEgoRaptor]

Crazy Eyed One wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Even if these objections were true, they're only temporary. It's only a matter of time before the vast majority of the industrialized world has easy access to internet with bandwidth on the level of Google Fiber or something like that. (Which is about 1 Gigabyte every 10 seconds.) Likely less than a decade.

Wait Australia is going to get good internet!? It's a Christmas miracle!

Sadly it looks like we won't, Abbott Government wants to scrap the NBN. The Bastards.

[Osena109]

Alaric123 wrote...

Crazy Eyed One wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Even if these objections were true, they're only temporary. It's only a matter of time before the vast majority of the industrialized world has easy access to internet with bandwidth on the level of Google Fiber or something like that. (Which is about 1 Gigabyte every 10 seconds.) Likely less than a decade.

Wait Australia is going to get good internet!? It's a Christmas miracle!

Sadly it looks like we won't, Abbott Government wants to scrap the NBN. The Bastards.

What is the NBN?

[Osena109]

frustratemyself wrote...

Osena109 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

So do we all agree that the OP is most likely a troll?

Am no troll but I do think the Disk  is reaching  Obsolete status take that as you like  my friend

Yeah so incredibly obsolete for people with low data caps on their internet, can't get their console online or have no internet connection at home at all.

Gee I wish I was as special as you op.

Were is this comeing form  i never said i was special  sorry if i come off that way but far form it i work 60 plus hours a week i    might get to come home  after i  been on the road for  couple months to rest and play couple games and play with my kids

[frustratemyself]

Crazy Eyed One wrote...

Wait Australia is going to get good internet!? It's a Christmas miracle!

No worries mate, Tony's on to it...

[Star fury]

AresKeith wrote...

So do we all agree that the OP is most likely a troll?

He's either troll, or just an American. 

[Osena109]

Star fury wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

So do we all agree that the OP is most likely a troll?

He's either troll, or just an American. 

Yes i Am American you act like that is a crime

[Cainhurst Crow]

From what you described as your 60 hour job, I'm going to guess you're a trucker or in the transportation business.

Am I close?

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Wait, so someone from the country with the worst internet in the world wants digital downloads only, thats ironic

[frustratemyself]

Osena109 wrote...

frustratemyself wrote...

Osena109 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

So do we all agree that the OP is most likely a troll?

Am no troll but I do think the Disk  is reaching  Obsolete status take that as you like  my friend

Yeah so incredibly obsolete for people with low data caps on their internet, can't get their console online or have no internet connection at home at all.

Gee I wish I was as special as you op.

Were is this comeing form  i never said i was special  sorry if i come off that way but far form it i work 60 plus hours a week i    might get to come home  after i  been on the road for  couple months to rest and play couple games and play with my kids

Your posts so far sound like you are very unaware of, or don't care that a lot of people don't have internet that would make digital only copies of games a feasible idea. Just because you may have access to awesomesause internet at home doesn't mean everyone in the world does. 

Nbn = national broadband network. It would allow Australia to get up to a whole 25mbps download speed I think the last quote was 

[AresKeith]

Star fury wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

So do we all agree that the OP is most likely a troll?

He's either troll, or just an American.] 

Nice generalization there

/sarcasm

[Osena109]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

From what you described as your 60 hour job, I'm going to guess you're a trucker or in the transportation business.

Am I close?

your right on the money  i hull live stock coast to coast

[Cainhurst Crow]

Surely you've experienced areas in your profession where the connection to the internet, wireless at least, dropped out or became slow to the point of practically unusable. Such places exist in a lot of rural areas, these places also lack a lot of wired internet services as well, due to not having the resources to upgrade their grid system in the same way most major urbanized areas have been able to do to basically convert telephone lines into internet cable lines. Some places have such technology, but it is currently too expensive for them to even be practical to buy and use.

For these people having disk based content is one of the few ways they are able to play this game. They can use the internet they have, either from local sources such as public libraries, or from their low quality plans that are within their price range, but expecting them to be able to download a game properly would be too high a demand for them to meet, and so having the majority of the burden be done on a physical copy they can simply pop into their gaming system is a lot more viable.

Calling disks dead at this current stage is folly, simply because the nation is not yet to a level where such a statement can be taken seriously. Wait a few years, and maybe things will improve. However, as it is currently, no.

[Osena109]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Surely you've experienced areas in your profession where the connection to the internet, wireless at least, dropped out or became slow to the point of practically unusable. Such places exist in a lot of rural areas, these places also lack a lot of wired internet services as well, due to not having the resources to upgrade their grid system in the same way most major urbanized areas have been able to do to basically convert telephone lines into internet cable lines. Some places have such technology, but it is currently too expensive for them to even be practical to buy and use.

For these people having disk based content is one of the few ways they are able to play this game. They can use the internet they have, either from local sources such as public libraries, or from their low quality plans that are within their price range, but expecting them to be able to download a game properly would be too high a demand for them to meet, and so having the majority of the burden be done on a physical copy they can simply pop into their gaming system is a lot more viable.

Calling disks dead at this current stage is folly, simply because the nation is not yet to a level where such a statement can be taken seriously. Wait a few years, and maybe things will improve. However, as it is currently, no.

I don't own a laptop and i do  have andriod phone but i have  verizon's 4 g so i don't  have drops that offen

[Osena109]

doubble post

Modifié par Osena109, 26 décembre 2013 - 09:40 .

[Fredward]

Osena109 wrote...
I don't own a laptop and i do  have andriod phone but i have  verizon's 4 g so i don't  have drops that offen

But you realize these are realities for other people... right?

[Osena109]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Osena109 wrote...
I don't own a laptop and i do  have andriod phone but i have  verizon's 4 g so i don't  have drops that offen

But you realize these are realities for other people... right?

i understand  untill few years ago we hade the 256k speed it was so bad it took day or 2 to download any thing

[Fredward]

Osena109 wrote...
i understand  untill few years ago we hade the 256k speed it was so bad it took day or 2 to download any thing

Right. Okay. So lets look at this again, I'm not sure whether you're requesting BW to get rid of disks or just think they should embrace the inevitable but there's more than one problem here.

Moral:

Lots of people have slow or capped internet. And when I say slow and capped I do not mean 15mb (I would murder a hobo for 15mb/s) or 250 gig cap. I'm talking 100kb/s or slower. I'm talking 10gig a month. Even uncapped would still be subject to extremely, extremely slow download speeds all to be lost if the modem trips. It would literally be close to impossible to download a large game.

Practical:

You could argue that the people with slow/capped internet are probably not the biggest part of BW's market. And you'd probaby be right too. I don't have the international sales figures but I imagine the majority of their games get sold in North America and Western Europe. HOWEVER a large enough chunk of their sales has to be in different markets to warrant their shipping and sales. They obviously consider it worth it to have a foothold in these markets. Switching to download only in these areas with limited internet connectivity would alienate that market. They'd lose markets and they'd lose goodwill, even in their primary markets. The practical and moral are entertwined in this case which is nice since that doesn't always happen.

There was more I wanted to say but I forgot. Anyway sure in the distant future where the whole globe had decent internet speeds they could switch to download only, maybe. I still think there would always be some physical copies for some distant markets and collectors. But now? It's not feasible. I mean pissing off a large percentage of your fanbase might be worth it if the profits were there but in this case I don't think it is.

[Osena109]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Osena109 wrote...
i understand  untill few years ago we hade the 256k speed it was so bad it took day or 2 to download any thing

Right. Okay. So lets look at this again, I'm not sure whether you're requesting BW to get rid of disks or just think they should embrace the inevitable but there's more than one problem here.

Moral:

Lots of people have slow or capped internet. And when I say slow and capped I do not mean 15mb (I would murder a hobo for 15mb/s) or 250 gig cap. I'm talking 100kb/s or slower. I'm talking 10gig a month. Even uncapped would still be subject to extremely, extremely slow download speeds all to be lost if the modem trips. It would literally be close to impossible to download a large game.

Practical:

You could argue that the people with slow/capped internet are probably not the biggest part of BW's market. And you'd probaby be right too. I don't have the international sales figures but I imagine the majority of their games get sold in North America and Western Europe. HOWEVER a large enough chunk of their sales has to be in different markets to warrant their shipping and sales. They obviously consider it worth it to have a foothold in these markets. Switching to download only in these areas with limited internet connectivity would alienate that market. They'd lose markets and they'd lose goodwill, even in their primary markets. The practical and moral are entertwined in this case which is nice since that doesn't always happen.

There was more I wanted to say but I forgot. Anyway sure in the distant future where the whole globe had decent internet speeds they could switch to download only, maybe. I still think there would always be some physical copies for some distant markets and collectors. But now? It's not feasible. I mean pissing off a large percentage of your fanbase might be worth it if the profits were there but in this case I don't think it is.

Embrace  the  invevitabel its comeing  don't know when but in the next free years am not saying they should stop disk  for this game but its gonna be factor in the next 25 to 30 years there won't be fossil fuals any longer so other  methods  will need  to be found so Digital downloads will have to happin unless we find anther source of fuel for trucks like i drive i have dual 150 gallon tanks on my truck  and i get about 8 mpg do the math and there are millions of trucks on the road

[TiiMMAH]

^ OH MY GOD SPELLCHECK HOLY **** lol and you're wrong lol

[ManOfSteel]

There is a substantial difference between downloading a patch and downloading a full game, plus the patch on top of that. Not everyone has the connection speed to download an entire game in a short amount of time, and some people have data caps on top of that, preventing them from downloading entire games at once.

So although a lot of people, myself included, would be totally fine with a digital-only future, there will always be a large number of people that will prefer having a physical copy for various reasons.

Modifié par DoomHK, 26 décembre 2013 - 10:30 .

[nightscrawl]

David7204 wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

I would never buy a digital download for a full rpg game.Too hard to replace if you lose your machine.I wouldn't buy a game without a disc.

Er, it's not hard at all.

A record of your purchases is saved (and backed up) on an external server. You simply log in to your account and download them again from your new computer.

Oh yeah? The Bioware Neverwinter Nights portal used to have a thing where you could store your game keys. Some people ditched their media because of that and now they are screwed because the site is now gone. Luckily for me, I have saved my discs and all of the manuals with the keys so I can play that game whenever I want.

Things on the internet operated by a company remain on the whim of the company. It is NOT a permanent fixture. Real world media is more or less permanent as long as you take care of them. I would rather have something like that be my responsibility and not some company who might decide a game is no longer worth supporting.

Also, as far as the OP's statement about patching is concerned, I can certainly install a fresh copy of DAO from my disc and play it without patching. It will work perfectly fine. There may be some bugs, but the game is not unplayable; the same is true for DA2 and Neverwinter Nights.

The only games where a patch might be "required" are those where an internet connection is required, and in that case you will need to patch before being allowed to play.

The only way I would support a game without attached media is if they enabled you to download it in a single chunk that could be stored elsewhere for later use, by burning it on a disc or saving to an external HDD. That way, if in 10 years the company decides that this game is dead, I can still install it and play even if I have a new computer.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 26 décembre 2013 - 10:44 .

[Cribbian]

I'll stick to a physical produkt, thank you very much.

[Tinu]

I rather not download 16gig if I can avoid it. I've used digital copies for a lot of games, but if I can help it, then I would go with a physical copy. Especially since I want a collector's edition for Inquisition.

[Melca36]

MevenSelas wrote...

I prefer physical copies of games. It makes me feel like I actually own something.

You actually do not own the game. You merely purchased a licence to play the game.