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[Get Magna Carter]

Osena109 wrote...

Yes i Am American you act like that is a crime

are you saying it's not?

[Get Magna Carter]

Melca36 wrote...

MevenSelas wrote...

I prefer physical copies of games. It makes me feel like I actually own something.

You actually do not own the game. You merely purchased a licence to play the game.

the question is what does that actually mean in genuine legally enforcible terms?
does it just forbid piracy and plagiarism and similar activities?

[Get Magna Carter]

I will say that I don't have a home internet connection and so won't buy a game for my console(s) without a disc.
(This is the reason I have not registered my copy of ME3 which I bought in the week it came out)

I am currently at my parent's home they have an unreliable internet connection (lost the connection while I was typing that) with a limitation on their downloads.

[Toasted Llama]

I prefer a disc copy, thank you very much.

(Despite owning all the PC versions as a digital download, but that is for convenience sake and because, well... I got into bioware's games too late)

[Absafraginlootly]

I pay for how much I can download, if I download a game I can't use those mb/gb for something else. If I decide to uninstall because I need the space on my computer for something else and then redownload/install it later, or download it on to a new computer I'm am using up more from that set amount per month.

Which means I'm basically paying money every time I download the game, just to my internet provider instead of the game company.

Whereas I can install off a disc or usb as many times as I wish without losing anything. So yeah I want a physical copy of my game.

Now if instead of having to download an annoying client(steam/origin) that immediately installs my game and spreads the files all over whilst advertising to me. They allowed me to download a single thing which I could transfer easily to a usb or disc for future installations that would be something else entirely.

[OdanUrr]

Osena109 wrote...

 Lets face it the Disk is dead (...)

I think the PS4 and the Xbox One disagree with you there.

[crazychris153]

Okay, my issues with the concept of digital only.

1st. I have no idea how internet is up in the US, but down here It is limited, I have 50 gigs per month, after which internet becomes really expensive, so a large RPG will take a pretty big chunk out of that 50 gigs.

2nd. The download speed is not particularly great here either, capping at (Maybe) 2mbps, but usually in the hundreds of kilobytes range, so considering that it averages at about 500 Kbs a second, for a 5 gig game that will take... about an hour and 20 minutes, on my PC, so as DAI will probably not be only 5 gigs, I effectively have to free up the bandwidth for an afternoon just to download the game, assuming I don't get it on console. And someone will inevitably come along and say "They will have improved internet in most places within 10 years", well that's not much good for me as with the pace improvements happen here, 50 years is optimistic.

3rd, Who exactly benefits from digital only?, EA is an obvious answer, but I really could not care less how well off they are. It makes no difference for the people who download it anyway, the only big difference I can see is that it is now If I finish it in a weekend (Happened before) I can't benefit from my Local stores offer to fully refund a games price within the first week, or even the ability to get back a small bit of money after a few weeks. With most of the Digital games I do get, they are cheap enough that It's not too big an issue, but as for DAI I will be paying quite a bit of money, that is much more of an issue, especially if the price I am charged (On console something over equivalent to $80 US, and on steam still more than $60 US before discount, I'm not joking, I will provide screenshots to prove it if need be) does not change, which would fit patterns well.

So effectively Digital only means getting the game gets more annoying than it needs to be, I have just got to deal with money down the drain if it turns out the game sucks.
Why is the (Fortunately not going to happen) switch to exclusively Digital at all a good thing for me? or even just a neutral thing?

[Rusty Sandusky]

J. Reezy wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

MevenSelas wrote...

I prefer physical copies of games. It makes me feel like I actually own something.

You actually do not own the game. You merely purchased a licence to play the game.

Pfft. Yeah right. I'd like to see somebody from any company dictate how I legally use a game I've purchased. I mean, that's what you're implying isn't it? That a company, whether that be SEGA, Epic Games, EA, or Nintendo, has some measure of control over the product that you purchased from them, through whatever legal avenues.

*cough*DRM*cough*

[wolfsite]

I have limited bandwidth so I prefer physical discs.  Even if I didn't have Limited bandwidth I would still get a physical disc as I like having a physical item to pu on my physical shelf.

[DragonRacer]

I'm a bit split on it, to be honest.

I prefer discs on my console and prefer digital download for my laptop.

[Rusty Sandusky]

DragonRacer wrote...

I'm a bit split on it, to be honest.

I prefer discs on my console and prefer digital download for my laptop.

Pretty much this, though I do feel as though digital is less substantial. Example: I have 39 games on Steam and 39 PS3/360 games that I own but it feels as though I have more games on console because they take up space.

[berelinde]

I like to have a physical copy of the disk, but there are practical reasons to continue to offer both digital and physical formats.

Not everyone has lightning-fast, reliable internet. Some users have monthly DL quotas. As long as these conditions exist, games will continue to be made available in disk form.

Edit: Also, we have four gamers in my house sharing one internet connection. We're going to be purchasing four copies of the game. Typical DL rates for our DSL are in the 300Kbs range, and there's nothing we can do about that. Four digital downloads would take days.

Modifié par berelinde, 26 décembre 2013 - 02:01 .

[The Spirit of Dance]

Not a PC gamer but even if I was I'd still prefer physical copies since they take up less space on my HD. I know I can delete it and re-download later but what happens if the server or my internet is down?

[fchopin]

All you have to do op is download the game from GOG without DRM then burn to DVD and you have both versions. You will have a hard copy and a downloadable version any time you need to reinstall.

[Si-Shen]

Disc copies are far from dead, according too a some executives a few years ago, you should not be able to buy physical copies of movies now but you can.
Frankly if I had to download a game, I'd be sending a massive bill too the publisher to compensate, amazingly enough there is still a very large portion of the world that does not have massive data limits or unlimited data for their internet connections.

I think those that feel physical copies are "done" live in a magical place where the world is much further along technologically then it really is. We are still a long way off from a purely digital world for media.

[DPSSOC]

David7204 wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...
Yes there should be physical copies, because otherwise we have no appreciable measure of hoards. I bring someone over and say, "These are my games" and I've got 50 things on a shelf that's something grounded, it's real, and as such can be reacted to. You say, "These are my games" and show somebody a list and it doesn't have the same effect.

It's like showing somebody your bank balance vs having a wad of cash.

And yet everyone has a bank account instead of keeping their cash in their mattress.

Not everyone no.  I know plenty of people who refuse to deal with banks, solely on the grounds of service fees in some cases.  However the point is you don't show off your account balance, you do show off a wad of cash.  Similarly people might install and store games digitally but you can't show off a list of downloads, you can show off shelves of games though.

David7204 wrote...
Even if these objections were true, they're only temporary. It's only a matter of time before the vast majority of the industrialized world has easy access to internet with bandwidth on the level of Google Fiber or something like that. (Which is about 1 Gigabyte every 10 seconds.) Likely less than a decade.

Ha.  You seem to be confusing access with affordability.  Yeah that might be widely available within a decade but it won't be widely affordable.  Even so you're being highly optimistic about this.  To this day my dad can only get access to dial-up internet because none of the ISP's he has access to are willing to foot the bill to run the necessary infrastructure out there.

David7204 wrote...
Efficiency always wins. I can't think a single product in history that remained in mass use despite a clearly more efficient alternative with no drawbacks aside a lack of familiarity and nostalgia.

Cars, movie theatres, sporting events (actually going there)

[Little Princess Peach]

I rather have it on a Disk because digi downloads sometimes take forever

[Slayer299]

Yes, there *needs* to be a disc copy for DAI.For all that digital is used nowadays there are times I don't have access to the internet to download it or even the patience to wait for it when its running slow over a wireless connection.

Besides I like owning the game on physical disks and having the box on my shelf to look at when I'm deciding what to install or even to play.

What I do know is that I don't want to sit at my PC for several hours while waiting for it to download a 16GB file to install *any* game.

[Sanunes]

Physical copies aren't going to go away soon, there are many areas that don't have access to good high speed internet service yet because they live in a more rural environment. The other problem is some people are also stuck on a small bandwidth cap or having an unreliable internet connection.

Personally if games get as big as the disks they are using with the PS4/XB1 I am going to go back to physical copies for I don't want to spend a week downloading the newest game and then have to do it all over again if I go back to the game after thinking I was done with it.

[Vort3xX]

Matters not to me, RIP origin i will never install another one of these damn clients on my PC and Origin have nothing i want to play either so that's it but i can't see the benfits of discs anymore even with GoG, that's why i have external harddrives.

Modifié par Vort3xX, 26 décembre 2013 - 04:17 .

[AlanC9]

crazychris153 wrote...
2nd. The download speed is not particularly great here either, capping at (Maybe) 2mbps, but usually in the hundreds of kilobytes range, so considering that it averages at about 500 Kbs a second, for a 5 gig game that will take... about an hour and 20 minutes, on my PC, so as DAI will probably not be only 5 gigs, I effectively have to free up the bandwidth for an afternoon just to download the game, assuming I don't get it on console.

Why not download it overnight? That's how I pulled in the DA:O DLCs back in the day on a 56k modem.

3rd, Who exactly benefits from digital only?, ........ the only big difference I can see is that it is now If I finish it in a weekend (Happened before) I can't benefit from my Local stores offer to fully refund a games price within the first week, or even the ability to get back a small bit of money after a few weeks. 

Yep. This is why the switch to digital might happen before absolutely everyone has tolerable broadband. The publishers have no reason to support the used game market; if anything, they have an incentive to kill it. I don't think we're at that tipping point this year, or next. 2015? Maybe.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if discs hang on for a long time. Game stores serve a marketing function the way bookstores do, and the publishers may not want to kill that ecosystem. That's something people are worried about in the orint world.

[Jaulen]

Personally for me, I like the digital copies.

I had first played DA:O on the PS2. And only got one very quick playthough done before I had to leave town for work. When I got to where I was going to be for three weeks, by myself, I looked for a disk for my work laptop....nobody had a PC copy.....husband told me I could buy and download. So I did. While I was out on the drilling rig, I had my laptop downloading DA:O.....

For me, the reason I like the digital copies is, I used to travel a LOT for work.....and change laptops rather regularly. Having all my games in one spot digitally, and able to downloaded and install on any comnputer and play is a plus. But I di think, the games shouldn't be required to remain online/connected while playing.....roe those times where internet connections are not consistent.

[t0mm06]

I generally go for Digital copies BUT that is due to steam sales and humble bundle and stuff like that, for bigger games i try and buy on disc as; 1. My internet connection isnt great, Its much faster to download a 100MB patch then it is a 15GB Game.
2. I've found that brand new games cost me £40 to digital download... if i but the PC disc they generally sell for £30, dont ask me why but Game, Amazon, Green Man Gaming, Tesco. All seem to sell Pc games cheaper on Disc