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[Toasted Llama]

Lebdood wrote...

I wouldn't take it, but I'm sure some people regularly roleplay douchey people. (Slavery is douchey no matter what the time frame, don't kid yourselves. Socially acceptable does not equate non-douchey).

I'd like to argue that. Slavery wasn't douchy back in the time of the Roman Empire and ancient Greece. Or, well, it really depended on the owner whether or not it was douchy and how early or how late in that time period you were a slave. If you are a douchy, then obviously, you are going to treat your slaves badly. But there were actually also owners that provided their slaves with food, shelter and occasionally a small fee in exchange for labour. While yes, they didn't have the same rights as any other civilian, their occasional fee would be enough to PURCHASE their freedom (yes, you heard me correct. Slaves could buy themselves free and gain rights.).

Alot of slaves however, volunteeringly stayed with their masters. They still were slaves as, obviously, they still didn't have rights and their owner could do whatever they wanted with them, but some felt that they were much better of serving an owner (they often also trust) as opposed living on the streets and relying for people's generosity for food. Hell, back in those days, slavery was a great alternative for otherwise death. (Considering slaves were usually non-Roman civilians)

Slaves could occupy highly skilled jobs as some were very well educated, they could have their own properties.

Also want to note that one of Cicero's slaves, Tiro, eventually became a freed man and was able to retire to an estate and died at the age of 99. Yes. 99. I wouldn't mind changing places with that fella

[Lebanese Dude]

Toasted Llama wrote...

Lebdood wrote...

I wouldn't take it, but I'm sure some people regularly roleplay douchey people. (Slavery is douchey no matter what the time frame, don't kid yourselves. Socially acceptable does not equate non-douchey).

I'd like to argue that. Slavery wasn't douchy back in the time of the Roman Empire and ancient Greece. Or, well, it really depended on the owner whether or not it was douchy and how early or how late in that time period you were a slave. If you are a douchy, then obviously, you are going to treat your slaves badly. But there were actually also owners that provided their slaves with food, shelter and occasionally a small fee in exchange for labour. While yes, they didn't have the same rights as any other civilian, their occasional fee would be enough to PURCHASE their freedom (yes, you heard me correct. Slaves could buy themselves free and gain rights.).

Alot of slaves however, volunteeringly stayed with their masters. They still were slaves as, obviously, they still didn't have rights and their owner could do whatever they wanted with them, but some felt that they were much better of serving an owner (they often also trust) as opposed living on the streets and relying for people's generosity for food. Hell, back in those days, slavery was a great alternative for otherwise death. (Considering slaves were usually non-Roman civilians)

Slaves could occupy highly skilled jobs as some were very well educated, they could have their own properties.

Also want to note that one of Cicero's slaves, Tiro, eventually became a freed man and was able to retire to an estate and died at the age of 99. Yes. 99. I wouldn't mind changing places with that fella

Hey I'm not saying everyone who owned a slave was inherently a douche. It was a "necessity" of the time, at least for those of wealthy means. I use quotations because it wasn't actually a necessity but merely a luxury. 

Still, the concept of owning another human has never been universally good. The mere existence of slave rebellions proves this. Slaves were never truly happy with their lot and they were almost always treated as sub-humans. You cannot argue that this was "good" in any context.

Furthermore, there is a stark difference between slavery and indentured servitude. Some people would willingly sell themselves temporarily to pay off debts. This is indentured servitude as it was not forced upon them by someone else.
Also, "good" masters (those with a conscience) would treat their slaves as indentured servants, providing them with a comfortable life in return for faithful service with a prospect of eventual release.

Life was hard back in the day and it is true that some people preferred remaining slaves to living on the streets.
However, that is more akin to the human nature of acclimation. If you lived your whole life as a slave, it becomes normal to you. You don't necessarily like it, but you are content in living in the known rather than experience the unknown.

If you gave that slave the same job but actually paid him for it, do you not think they would take the money in a heartbeat?

Modifié par Lebdood, 26 décembre 2013 - 05:50 .

[BouncyFrag]

Throw in most of the DA2 companions as potential 'candidates' and I'm in. I have an iron mask that would make Merrill even more adorable.

[Hellion Rex]

You have got to be kidding me. Why is there a thread for this?

[Lebanese Dude]

eluvianix wrote...

You have got to be kidding me. Why is there a thread for this?

Why wouldn't there be?

Slavery exists in Thedas and is therefore a proper topic to discuss.

[Hellion Rex]

And yet, we all know that this thread is going to burn down horribly.

[Killdren88]

eluvianix wrote...

And yet, we all know that this thread is going to burn down horribly.

Because people get upset when this game gets away from the Politically correct art project that some people want when they forget  Thedas is a mirrior for Medival times where things like Slavery, and inequality happened.

[BouncyFrag]

Let's not forget the mountain of dead bodies we've accumulated in the first two games as well.

[thats1evildude]

Slavery is considered immoral and is technically a hanging offfense in most of Thedas, with the exception of the Tevinter Imperium.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Maybe could be like that skyrim mod, whip & put a slave collar on people

[Killdren88]

thats1evildude wrote...

Slavery is considered immoral and is technically a hanging offfense in most of Thedas, with the exception of the Tevinter Imperium.

Yeah, so unless we get to spend some time in Tevinter I doubt will see much that deals with Slavery. At best  will come across some sort of Slavery operation like in DA:O and can either stop it or walk away.

[Toasted Llama]

Lebdood wrote...

Hey I'm not saying everyone who owned a slave was inherently a douche. It was a "necessity" of the time, at least for those of wealthy means. I use quotations because it wasn't actually a necessity but merely a luxury. 

Still, the concept of owning another human has never been universally good. The mere existence of slave rebellions proves this. Slaves were never truly happy with their lot and they were almost always treated as sub-humans. You cannot argue that this was "good" in any context.

Furthermore, there is a stark difference between slavery and indentured servitude. Some people would willingly sell themselves temporarily to pay off debts. This is indentured servitude as it was not forced upon them by someone else.
Also, "good" masters (those with a conscience) would treat their slaves as indentured servants, providing them with a comfortable life in return for faithful service with a prospect of eventual release.

Life was hard back in the day and it is true that some people preferred remaining slaves to living on the streets.
However, that is more akin to the human nature of acclimation. If you lived your whole life as a slave, it becomes normal to you. You don't necessarily like it, but you are content in living in the known rather than experience the unknown.

If you gave that slave the same job but actually paid him for it, do you not think they would take the money in a heartbeat?

Some slaves in the Roman Empire were getting paid. I know slavery is viewed as something bad and I agree to a certain degree, but I don't think it is a terrible thing so long as the slave has an option to, at some point, earn the option to quit or if this situation better than what (s)he might otherwise be doing or could achieve.
Some people were unfortunate enough they don't really know or are capable of taking care of themselves as well as the rich could.

Though this is often not the case and I know that if it that isn't the case, then slavery is simply bad. I just don't like it when people say "all/everyone/everything is bad" when there are cases where it definitely isn't bad.

[AlexanderCousland]

Lol @ people shedding a "good light" on slavery.

[franciscoamell]

Todd23 wrote...

And hopefully they'll be more attractive.

If that's the case, maybe they could do more than cleaning the house as well.

[werewoof]

Orkfaeller wrote...

Getting a bit annoyed when people consider slavery ( or other topic ) in games like this as "evil".

Owning someone else in ancient/medieval times wasn't evil, it was natural ( if you were a person of power ),

So yeah, I'd hope slavery/thraldom will be a thing, but not exclusivly to sadistic, "evil" characters.

yeah i mean it was only

literally owning another person

them being considered something on the same scale as furniture

being able to abuse them at will because hey nobody cares if you kick your couch

no big deal 

Modifié par tiktac, 26 décembre 2013 - 06:30 .

[Afro_Explosion]

This thread makes me want to watch django unchained again.

Modifié par mx_keep13, 26 décembre 2013 - 06:41 .

[werewoof]

please set this thread on fire i swear to god

[Toasted Llama]

FreshIstay wrote...

Lol @ people shedding a "good light" on slavery.

Lol @ people with only one perspective and refusing to actually read history.



Good god, moral justice knights ruin EVERYTHING.

"Oh my god a thread that is against the opinion of the majority! Blasphemy and obviously not true because the majority says so! Quick, burn and lock this thread!"

[MisterJB]

Here in southern Thedas we prefer the term "peasants". It gives the illusion of freedom, you see.

[JCAP]

Toasted Llama wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Lol @ people shedding a "good light" on slavery.

Lol @ people with only one perspective and refusing to actually read history.



Good god, moral justice knights ruin EVERYTHING.

"Oh my god a thread that is against the opinion of the majority! Blasphemy and obviously not true because the majority says so! Quick, burn and lock this thread!"

Why don't you volunteer to be a slave? I heard it does wonders for your body. Muscle development and all that. AND BETTER! Your master saves a lot of money.

[werewoof]

diggin the people who want sexy lady slaves "for roleplaying an evil character" like yeah the value of the narrative is what you're concerned about, sure, i totally buy that

[9TailsFox]

MichaelStuart wrote...

9TailsFox wrote...

 If slave funny like Vette. Together we rule the galaxy. Fenris could learn alot from Vette.

I found the only thing funny about Vette is the sound she makes when you use the shock collar.


I don't mind if there is or isn't a slave character as long as they are well written.

How could you? I instantly took collar off. I am good. So my plans. First kill my master. Then become emperor Vette empress, if dark council don't like it I make new one. Destroy republic and bring peace to the galaxy.

[thats1evildude]

There are very practical reasons for not allowing slavery as an option. Besides the fact it's hideously illegal, I can't think of a single Dragon Age companion that would be OK with the main character owning slaves. Maaaaaybe Sten, but that's only because he views everything about bas society as immoral.

[MisterJB]

Morrigan might say that if you are not strong enough to free yourself from the chains, that you deserve them.

[Fast Jimmy]

thats1evildude wrote...

There are very practical reasons for not allowing slavery as an option. Besides the fact it's hideously illegal, I can't think of a single Dragon Age companion that would be OK with the main character owning slaves. Maaaaaybe Sten, but that's only because he views everything about bas society as immoral.

I can't imagine Shale caring all that much, honestly. Meat bags are meat bags. 

But your point still stands.