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[JCAP]

Oghren might not give a rat ass

[thats1evildude]

Morrigan also despises confinement, and slavery is basically a form of confinement.

[The Baconer]

Seems like it would undermine a lot of what you would set out to accomplish in the game. If I'm correct, a good deal of it will focus around making other factions acknowledge the authority of the Inquisition, but if you come around with a harem of slaves they'd probably just tell you to go plough yourself. And, like someone else said, most of your companions would probably abandon you.

[Fast Jimmy]

MisterJB wrote...

Here in southern Thedas we prefer the term "peasants". It gives the illusion of freedom, you see.

Pretty much this.

This isn't a democratic society, where the masses are educated and live equitable lives. Real life third world countries have it better than Thedas. Literacy is nearly unheard of for the gentry. 

The line between "arl" and "slave plantation owner" is thin, at best. 

[MidnightsFury]

ThisOnesUsername wrote...

Now to play the waiting game

Oooo we also need that gif of that guy with the popcorn.

[JCAP]

MidnightsFury wrote...

ThisOnesUsername wrote...

Now to play the waiting game

Oooo we also need that gif of that guy with the popcorn.

[MidnightsFury]

Oh you really went all out, many thanks! Well we may need that much popcorn. Storm's a comin!

[Fortlowe]

Slavery and pedophilia are in the same category if you ask me. If you're okay with one form of abuse, you're probably okay with the other. As so many pro slavery posters have pointed out, slavery was considered acceptable in the past. As was pedophilia. In fact, the two overlapped far more often than not.

Slavery is bad. About as evil as it gets. You you want to roleplay that evil? To each there own. Please do acknowledge just how evil that is, though.

[JCAP]

MidnightsFury wrote...

Oh you really went all out, many thanks! Well we may need that much popcorn. Storm's a comin!

The better part is there someone is actually trying to prove slavery isn't evil. Oh ya, this thread is going places!!!

[thats1evildude]

Despite their low station, a peasant can still advance within society. They might become a merchant or a solider. Loghain became a noble for his service to Ferelden and he was basically a bandit.

In Tevinter, a slave stays a slave forever. Even when freed, they aren't considered citizens of the Imperium and aren't afforded the same rights.

[Vit246]

 Maybe an indentured servant or two.

I think you people need to realize that Tevinter-style slavery is NOT the only type of slavery.

Please expand beyond the European / American style slavery.

Modifié par Vit246, 26 décembre 2013 - 07:26 .

[JCAP]

Fortlowe wrote...

Slavery and pedophilia are in the same category if you ask me. If you're okay with one form of abuse, you're probably okay with the other. As so many pro slavery posters have pointed out, slavery was considered acceptable in the past. As was pedophilia. In fact, the two overlapped far more often than not.

Slavery is bad. About as evil as it gets. You you want to roleplay that evil? To each there own. Please do acknowledge just how evil that is, though.

Remember the time when nobles married 12 year old daughters to 40 old nobles? Ahhh, good times...

Modifié par JCAP, 26 décembre 2013 - 07:15 .

[GnusmasTHX]

This is another one of those things that are incredibly unlikely because of your position. Unless they're secret slaves, no one is going to make a slave owner the Inquisitor.

[Killdren88]

I think your blowing this out of proportion. It's a damned video game you are comparing it to real life.

[Fortlowe]

Killdren88 wrote...

I think your blowing this out of proportion. It's a damned video game you are comparing it to real life.

I think you're underestimating how abhorrent the topic is.

[Fast Jimmy]

JCAP wrote...

MidnightsFury wrote...

Oh you really went all out, many thanks! Well we may need that much popcorn. Storm's a comin!

The better part is there someone is actually trying to prove slavery isn't evil. Oh ya, this thread is going places!!!

Evil is an insanely loaded word. Is making an enemy combatant a slave instead of killing them evil? A different kind of evil? Even an acceptable form of mercy? 

Is providing protection against marauders and opposing nations, shelter and food in exchange for work (the essential framework for serfdom, a form of slavery) evil? What if you had people begging at your gates for this very deal, because of how dangerous things were? And you didn't have enough resources to feed everyone, let alone pay them a fair wage? Would you save a dozen and pay them a fair wage, or would you bring in 100 and pay them only in food?

Slavery is a terribly damaging practice. But so is stealing. And murder. And prostitution. And it has varying degrees - not all slaves were doomed to have their children enslaved forever as well, nor where all slaves bound for life, or uneducated, or reduced to manual or degrading labor. So to call it, completely out of hand, evil, is a bit silly. If you can justify murder as not evil (as has been done countless times, with nearly every war in the history of mankind), then how can someone say "having someone work without monetary wage is evil?"

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 26 décembre 2013 - 07:29 .

[GnusmasTHX]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

JCAP wrote...

MidnightsFury wrote...

Oh you really went all out, many thanks! Well we may need that much popcorn. Storm's a comin!

The better part is there someone is actually trying to prove slavery isn't evil. Oh ya, this thread is going places!!!

Evil is an insanely loaded word. Is killing an enemy combatant instead of making them a slave evil? A different kind of evil? Even an acceptable form of mercy? 

Is providing protection against marauders and opposing nations, shelter and food in exchange for work (the essential framework for serfdom, a form of slavery) evil? What if you had people begging at your gates for this very deal, because of how dangerous things were? And you didn't have enough resources to feed everyone, let alone pay them a fair wage? Would you save a dozen and pay them a fair wage, or would you bring in 100 and pay them only in food?

Slavery is a terribly damaging practice. But so is stealing. And murder. And prostitution. And it has varying degrees - not all slaves were doomed to have their children enslaved forever as well, nor where all slaves bound for life, or uneducated, or reduced to manual or degrading labor. So to call it, completely out of hand, evil, is a bit silly. If you can justify murder as not evil (as has been done countless times, with nearly every war in the history of mankind), then how can someone say "having someone work without monetary wage is evil?"

There should be things you should know without need of a three paragraph attempt at explanation on a video game forum.

[Fast Jimmy]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

JCAP wrote...

MidnightsFury wrote...

Oh you really went all out, many thanks! Well we may need that much popcorn. Storm's a comin!

The better part is there someone is actually trying to prove slavery isn't evil. Oh ya, this thread is going places!!!

Evil is an insanely loaded word. Is killing an enemy combatant instead of making them a slave evil? A different kind of evil? Even an acceptable form of mercy? 

Is providing protection against marauders and opposing nations, shelter and food in exchange for work (the essential framework for serfdom, a form of slavery) evil? What if you had people begging at your gates for this very deal, because of how dangerous things were? And you didn't have enough resources to feed everyone, let alone pay them a fair wage? Would you save a dozen and pay them a fair wage, or would you bring in 100 and pay them only in food?

Slavery is a terribly damaging practice. But so is stealing. And murder. And prostitution. And it has varying degrees - not all slaves were doomed to have their children enslaved forever as well, nor where all slaves bound for life, or uneducated, or reduced to manual or degrading labor. So to call it, completely out of hand, evil, is a bit silly. If you can justify murder as not evil (as has been done countless times, with nearly every war in the history of mankind), then how can someone say "having someone work without monetary wage is evil?"

There should be things you should know without need of a three paragraph attempt at explanation on a video game forum.

To paraphrase the words of TreeBeard, I find myself not saying things unless its worth taking a very long time to say.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 26 décembre 2013 - 07:34 .

[MisterJB]

thats1evildude wrote...

Morrigan also despises confinement, and slavery is basically a form of confinement.

Morrigan despises being in confinement but she was all for the Right of Annulment because, from her viewpoint, the mages deserved it for accepting the Circle.
She is a staunch proponent of the law of the jungle.

Modifié par MisterJB, 26 décembre 2013 - 07:37 .

[AlexanderCousland]

Toasted Llama wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Lol @ people shedding a "good light" on slavery.

Lol @ people with only one perspective and refusing to actually read history.



Good god, moral justice knights ruin EVERYTHING.

"Oh my god a thread that is against the opinion of the majority! Blasphemy and obviously not true because the majority says so! Quick, burn and lock this thread!"

Why so angry man? Lol

Modifié par FreshIstay, 26 décembre 2013 - 07:58 .

[thats1evildude]

As far as I'm concerned, 'this is a thing that happened in real life' is not an actual argument: Thedas is not reflective of real world history, unless I fell asleep during that one class that talked about the darkspawn invasion of Europe.

What matters is the cultural values of Thedas, and in most of Thedas, slavery is both hideously illegal and immoral. Perhaps you should lobby for a game set in the Tevinter Imperium instead.

[ThatGamerWithSouvlaki285]

If the addition of taking part in slavery serve a purpose beyond just making the pc look bad for the sake of bad in the sense of the betterment of the story or support established lore then sure. I dont support slavery in.general but there is a deference in allowing in in real.life and doing a story involving it and as the story doesn't directly act to support slavery as it's overall message, and necessary for a the story then I have nothing to complain about it.

Modifié par steph285, 26 décembre 2013 - 07:46 .

[Fast Jimmy]

MisterJB wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

Morrigan also despises confinement, and slavery is basically a form of confinement.

Morrigan despises being in confinement but she was all for the Right of Annulment because, from her viewpoint, the mages deserved it for accepting the Circle.
She is a staunch proponent of the law of the jungle.

The Bear Neccessities? The simple Bear Neccessities?

Forget about your worries and your strife...?

[JCAP]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Evil is an insanely loaded word. Is making an enemy combatant a slave instead of killing them evil? A different kind of evil? Even an acceptable form of mercy? 

Well, tell what do you think. If I was that said combatant, I would prefer to be put down right there. I don't want to live without rights or hope.

Is providing protection against marauders and opposing nations, shelter and food in exchange for work (the essential framework for serfdom, a form of slavery) evil? What if you had people begging at your gates for this very deal, because of how dangerous things were? And you didn't have enough resources to feed everyone, let alone pay them a fair wage? Would you save a dozen and pay them a fair wage, or would you bring in 100 and pay them only in food?

That is employment my friend. Slaves are men and women stripped from their land and forced to work. They only receive food just to keep working.

If someone agrees to work for me for food, that is not slavery. You don't need to pay in money to employ someone.

And slavery often means you either work or die. What do you think would happen to one fugitive slave? They can't just quit you know?

Slavery is a terribly damaging practice. But so is stealing. And murder. And prostitution. And it has varying degrees - not all slaves were doomed to have their children enslaved forever as well, nor where all slaves bound for life, or uneducated, or reduced to manual or degrading labor. So to call it, completely out of hand, evil, is a bit silly. If you can justify murder as not evil (as has been done countless times, with nearly every war in the history of mankind), then how can someone say "having someone work without monetary wage is evil?"

I have a question for you: Do you live to work or do you work to live? Think about it for a minute.

[Hellion Rex]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

Morrigan also despises confinement, and slavery is basically a form of confinement.

Morrigan despises being in confinement but she was all for the Right of Annulment because, from her viewpoint, the mages deserved it for accepting the Circle.
She is a staunch proponent of the law of the jungle.

The Bear Neccessities? The simple Bear Neccessities?

Forget about your worries and your strife...?

Glad to know I'm not the only one who thought of that.