Modifié par Starsyn, 27 décembre 2013 - 02:19 .
Fast Jimmy wrote...
If the Anvil is ancillary slavery (since some of the epilogue slides indicate that they extend far beyond volunteers, even extending to raiding parties for surfacers), but creating the golems is done for the greater good, then is slavery always evil?
Zkyire wrote...
The Inquisitor has no in-game reason for owning slaves. The game isn't set in Tevinter.
Vitlen wrote...
Zkyire wrote...
The Inquisitor has no in-game reason for owning slaves. The game isn't set in Tevinter.
DA2 wasn`t in Tevinter but it was possible to have a elf slave
FreshIstay wrote...
Evil - Profoundly immoral or malevolent
^ That's the definition of Evil.
Some poster's here are making the case Slavery isn't "pure" evil.
So... What do some of you find immoral or malevolent?
I guess owning a Human life doesnt qualify with some of you.
Modifié par Starsyn, 27 décembre 2013 - 02:50 .
Starsyn wrote...
It can be a tricky slippery slide down the road of rationalization. What can start off as being for the "greater good" can become unspeakably awful.
Try not to be too hard on each other. I'll be in back, with the popcorn that seems to be going around.
Oh, and this is the elf slave some folks were talking about. You can save her during "A Bitter Pill," and you can keep her as a slave. I always paid her, but you can keep her in slavery.
http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Orana
Modifié par MevenSelas, 27 décembre 2013 - 02:56 .
KainD wrote...
FreshIstay wrote...
Evil - Profoundly immoral or malevolent
^ That's the definition of Evil.
Some poster's here are making the case Slavery isn't "pure" evil.
So... What do some of you find immoral or malevolent?
I guess owning a Human life doesnt qualify with some of you.
''Evil is a word used by the ignorant and the weak. It is all about survival. It's about unleashing your inner power. It is about glorifying the strength of the individual.'' - Darth Talon
FreshIstay wrote...
Well... Im sure you thought that quote was wise:mellow:
vaire wrote...
OperatingWookie wrote...
Evil is such a relative word. I wouldn't even call slavery mean either. It seems as though it has been the norm in human history. One warlike group takes over another and makes them into their labor force. They won, the slaves lost. The strong control the future of the weak. The only reason one would see that as wrong and evil is if they live in a society that is stuck to idealizations and self-righteousness.
Actually what you call "idealization" and "self righteousness" is what allows six and a half (more or less) billion people to live on the same planert without disaster; in the past we would have started killing each other well before reaching this number.
Granted, the system is far from perfect, but giving more value to human life and freedom actually happens to discourage violence. Besides, what you are not mentioning is that every time that slavery as existed there also have been bloody revenges and people opposing slavery (or some of its forms).
Let's put it like that: a more scientifically developed society allows for a better standard of life, thus I'd rather avoid complaining about the good sides (human rights), which do not damage anybody and avoid harming people whenever possible (which slavery does, since it deprives them of choice).
Modifié par The Woldan , 27 décembre 2013 - 04:26 .
Starsyn wrote...
I'm not going to justify slavery, so I'll just approach it like this. If BW decides to give Inquisitors the ability to gather slaves, then they should have consequences. For example, having various factions start ambushing you because they've heard whispers of what you were doing. The life of a slaver Inquisitor should be a little difficult, since so many groups oppose slavery.
It is an interesting idea, for those that want to be a purely evil and/or pragmatic character. There hasn't been too many opportunities to play an evil character in games at all since BG. It would be another option for those players that like evil characters.
Just my two coppers on the subject. A slavery option is not for me, but I can understand it for RP purposes. I wouldn't do it, since I usually play good aligned characters.
dismissing others' concerns about the implications of this feature on the grounds that it's just a gameModifié par tiktac, 27 décembre 2013 - 04:30 .
tiktac wrote...
agreed.
my problem with this thread is less people who think it'd be a valid narrative device and more the people who are
a) demanding it because they just need to play a slave owning character
c) asking for sexy female slaves (seriously don't even try and pretend you want that for story reasons, you just want a bunch of half naked women to obey your every whim which is gross as hell)
if it was implimented in a way that didn't try to frame it in a positive light (which a disturbing amount of people are doing here) and had consequences, then i could see it working out in the story. i wouldn't partake because it horrifies me quite a bit but whatever.
Modifié par Vit246, 27 décembre 2013 - 05:05 .
tiktac wrote...
KainD wrote...
tiktac wrote...
agreed.
my problem with this thread is less people who think it'd be a valid narrative device and more the people who are
a) demanding it because they just need to play a slave owning character
c) asking for sexy female slaves (seriously don't even try and pretend you want that for story reasons, you just want a bunch of half naked women to obey your every whim which is gross as hell)
if it was implimented in a way that didn't try to frame it in a positive light (which a disturbing amount of people are doing here) and had consequences, then i could see it working out in the story. i wouldn't partake because it horrifies me quite a bit but whatever.
Please..
Let every person decide for themselves whether owning female slaves is gross or not, and whether slavery looks like something positive or negative. k?
Vitlen wrote...
KainD wrote...
tiktac wrote...
agreed.
my problem with this thread is less people who think it'd be a valid narrative device and more the people who are
a) demanding it because they just need to play a slave owning character
c) asking for sexy female slaves (seriously don't even try and pretend you want that for story reasons, you just want a bunch of half naked women to obey your every whim which is gross as hell)
if it was implimented in a way that didn't try to frame it in a positive light (which a disturbing amount of people are doing here) and had consequences, then i could see it working out in the story. i wouldn't partake because it horrifies me quite a bit but whatever.
Please..
Let every person decide for themselves whether owning female slaves is gross or not, and whether slavery looks like something positive or negative. k?
No way! Some people just can`t let others to decide for themselves what`s right or wrong and what they have to like or hate.
You like slavery?
MevenSelas wrote...
KC_Prototype wrote...
Sure, for an evil play through but only for Humans and Qunari, it be weird as **** if an elf had slaves.
KainD wrote...
MevenSelas wrote...
Let's assume that the answer is yes. Now what?
Modifié par MevenSelas, 27 décembre 2013 - 05:45 .
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