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[Rotward]

I can't support bhelen. Every time I go to work with him, I find yet another reason he's a terrible person. He might, in fact, be a good ruler. I just can't let that person rule, he doesn't deserve it.

[Legbiter]

Bhelen with a Golem army. Man's a beast of a politician.

[Nerevar-as]

superdeathdealer14 wrote...

I had tried the dwarf noble origin story and after I finished it I instantly knew that I would always choose Harrowmont I kept using Harrowmont for at least 3 playthroughs and I couldn't understand why I kept getting a "bad ending" for Orzammar.

Until for my main character I finally tried choosing Bhelen that and my main character has the same douchebag nature of Bhelen, and after seeing how choosing Bhelen over Harrowmont has a better ending, I always go for Bhelen now. Oh sure Bhelen is a douche but at least he is a benefit to Orzammar instead of making it an even worse cesspit then before.

If you ask in the shaperate, the master tells you Harrowmount is a convinced traditionalist, while Bhelen had been inquiring about doing changes to the cast system. In the end, Harrowmount is no better than Bhelen (probably even worse), he is just better educated with those he sees as his equals. I haven´t tried commoner dwarf, but I doubt he´s as nice with him/her as with my Cousland.

[WidePaul]

I never leave the anvil of the void intact regardless of who's king, I play nice guys and I'm not risking having that kind of blood on my hands.

[superdeathdealer14]

Nerevar-as wrote...

superdeathdealer14 wrote...

I had tried the dwarf noble origin story and after I finished it I instantly knew that I would always choose Harrowmont I kept using Harrowmont for at least 3 playthroughs and I couldn't understand why I kept getting a "bad ending" for Orzammar.

Until for my main character I finally tried choosing Bhelen that and my main character has the same douchebag nature of Bhelen, and after seeing how choosing Bhelen over Harrowmont has a better ending, I always go for Bhelen now. Oh sure Bhelen is a douche but at least he is a benefit to Orzammar instead of making it an even worse cesspit then before.

If you ask in the shaperate, the master tells you Harrowmount is a convinced traditionalist, while Bhelen had been inquiring about doing changes to the cast system. In the end, Harrowmount is no better than Bhelen (probably even worse), he is just better educated with those he sees as his equals. I haven´t tried commoner dwarf, but I doubt he´s as nice with him/her as with my Cousland.

You sir may have proven me wrong, but I stand by my decision nonetheless.

[BobZilla84]

My Dwarf Noble and Dwarf Commoner both sided with Bhelen now that I think all my Characters do Bhelen FTW.

[Asdrubael Vect]

WidePaul wrote...

I never leave the anvil of the void intact regardless of who's king, I play nice guys and I'm not risking having that kind of blood on my hands.

by destroing anvil-the last hope to retrieve the thaigs and deep roads you became a murderer of dwarven race)))) and Harromount only making things worst

Harromount is much worst than Belen, and do not think that he is a really good person because he is not.

if someone want a good future for dwarves then you need to choose Belen as king and ALWAYS save the Anvil

[superdeathdealer14]

Dark Korsar wrote...

WidePaul wrote...

I never leave the anvil of the void intact regardless of who's king, I play nice guys and I'm not risking having that kind of blood on my hands.

by destroing anvil-the last hope to retrieve the thaigs and deep roads you became a murderer of dwarven race)))) and Harromount only making things worst

Harromount is much worst than Belen, and do not think that he is a really good person because he is not.

if someone want a good future for dwarves then you need to choose Belen as king and ALWAYS save the Anvil

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[TheKomandorShepard]

Dark Korsar wrote...

WidePaul wrote...

I never leave the anvil of the void intact regardless of who's king, I play nice guys and I'm not risking having that kind of blood on my hands.

by destroing anvil-the last hope to retrieve the thaigs and deep roads you became a murderer of dwarven race)))) and Harromount only making things worst

Harromount is much worst than Belen, and do not think that he is a really good person because he is not.

if someone want a good future for dwarves then you need to choose Belen as king and ALWAYS save the Anvil

Well i don't think that saving anvil that deliver fate worse than death and giving that to already hungry power ass** who snaps when gets crown is good idea.But about Harrowmont i agree still i chose behlen but destroyed anvil and get good ending.  

[Asdrubael Vect]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Dark Korsar wrote...

WidePaul wrote...

I never leave the anvil of the void intact regardless of who's king, I play nice guys and I'm not risking having that kind of blood on my hands.

by destroing anvil-the last hope to retrieve the thaigs and deep roads you became a murderer of dwarven race)))) and Harromount only making things worst

Harromount is much worst than Belen, and do not think that he is a really good person because he is not.

if someone want a good future for dwarves then you need to choose Belen as king and ALWAYS save the Anvil

Well i don't think that saving anvil that deliver fate worse than death and giving that to already hungry power ass** who snaps when gets crown is good idea.But about Harrowmont i agree still i chose behlen but destroyed anvil and get good ending.  

well think about this...

do you really think that send thousand of dwarves to die in deeep roads is better than sending a hundred golems(1 golem cost as 10-20 soldiers) who is not know fear, rest, do not need food, water and do not infected by blight or be poisoned..and who will serve(and they can do many things like be builders) for more than 1000 years?

if dwarves still will kill/execute their peoples(especially castless) why not replace execution by turning into golem who will protect dwarves and save muсh more lifes..i think even death legion and some Grey Wardens(those who will die because of blight) will aprove turning themselfs into golems to fight darkspawns


the good ending of Belen without golems will still cost a hundreds-thousand lifes of dwarves-castless, and as we know after some time darkspawns will back as they always do.

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 31 décembre 2013 - 09:23 .

[Kalas Magnus]

behlen

i liked his ambition.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Dark Korsar wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Dark Korsar wrote...

WidePaul wrote...

I never leave the anvil of the void intact regardless of who's king, I play nice guys and I'm not risking having that kind of blood on my hands.

by destroing anvil-the last hope to retrieve the thaigs and deep roads you became a murderer of dwarven race)))) and Harromount only making things worst

Harromount is much worst than Belen, and do not think that he is a really good person because he is not.

if someone want a good future for dwarves then you need to choose Belen as king and ALWAYS save the Anvil

Well i don't think that saving anvil that deliver fate worse than death and giving that to already hungry power ass** who snaps when gets crown is good idea.But about Harrowmont i agree still i chose behlen but destroyed anvil and get good ending.  

well think about this...

do you really think that send thousand of dwarves to die in deeep roads is better than sending a hundred golems(1 golem cost as 10-20 soldiers) who is not know fear, rest, do not need food, water and do not infected by blight or be poisoned..and who will serve for more than 1000 years?

if dwarves still will kill/execute their peoples(especially castless) why not replace execution by turning into golem who will protect dwarves and save mush more lifes..i think even death legion and some Grey Wardens(those who will die because of blight) will aprove turning themselfs into golems to fight darkspawns

Eee caradin said already that anvil delivered fate worse than death and he learned that when he ended as victim of this (and he keept his minds) i don't see giving already power hungry dwarf who after geting to his hand crown gets nuts and drunk with power.So we give him possibility abuse that and sending everyone who he don't like (that did last king who had anvil) to made him golem so even maybe it will bring back dwarven empire but good luck if you think that will be better than before it will be just another tevinter or even worse...     

and I want to remind that behlen killed entire harrowmont family for evil even not having golems so no i don't think that giving him unstoppable army that he control is good idea. 

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 31 décembre 2013 - 09:25 .

[Ieldra]

In my main playthroughs, Bhelen is king. Walk around in Orzammar and you'll that what it most needs is a revolution and a overturning of the traditionalist ways. If you support Harrowmont, you support the continuation of the caste system and the isolation of Orzammar, while Bhelen softens the caste system and he's open to more contact with the surface dwarves. That he's a tyrant is regrettable but I think you'd need to be a tyrant to push those changes through against the traditionalists.

Oddly, my Dwarf Noble also makes Bhelen king. She wants the throne back eventually, and since she's a surface dwarf now, having Bhelen's reforms succeed is a prerequisite. Of course, in the end she becomes a Paragon and the queenship becomes irrelevant. Take that, backstabbing brother!

The decision about the anvil is unrelated but I tend to keep it. There's no way I'd destroy something that might help reclaim the Deep Roads from the darkspawn. I just wish Bioware's stories weren't *always* written in a way that these things end up in the hands of crazies.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 31 décembre 2013 - 09:28 .

[Phoenix_Fyre]

Gonna go for Behlen with the anvil on my FDN run, I never picked Harrowment in all of my runs

[Asdrubael Vect]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Dark Korsar wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Dark Korsar wrote...

WidePaul wrote...

I never leave the anvil of the void intact regardless of who's king, I play nice guys and I'm not risking having that kind of blood on my hands.

by destroing anvil-the last hope to retrieve the thaigs and deep roads you became a murderer of dwarven race)))) and Harromount only making things worst

Harromount is much worst than Belen, and do not think that he is a really good person because he is not.

if someone want a good future for dwarves then you need to choose Belen as king and ALWAYS save the Anvil

Well i don't think that saving anvil that deliver fate worse than death and giving that to already hungry power ass** who snaps when gets crown is good idea.But about Harrowmont i agree still i chose behlen but destroyed anvil and get good ending.  

well think about this...

do you really think that send thousand of dwarves to die in deeep roads is better than sending a hundred golems(1 golem cost as 10-20 soldiers) who is not know fear, rest, do not need food, water and do not infected by blight or be poisoned..and who will serve for more than 1000 years?

if dwarves still will kill/execute their peoples(especially castless) why not replace execution by turning into golem who will protect dwarves and save mush more lifes..i think even death legion and some Grey Wardens(those who will die because of blight) will aprove turning themselfs into golems to fight darkspawns

Eee caradin said already that anvil delivered fate worse than death and he learned that when he ended as victim of this (and he keept his minds) i don't see giving already power hungry dwarf who after geting to his hand crown gets nuts and drunk with power.So we give him possibility abuse that and sending everyone who he don't like (that did last king who had anvil) to made him golem so even maybe it will bring back dwarven empire but good luck if you think that will be better than before it will be just another tevinter or even worse...     

Caridin could always kill himself for thousand years, and he is not have erased memory as others golems...he is just watch then dwarven thaigs was conquer and females raped by darkspawns...4 blights he is just whine about himself and no more

Caridin close his anvil after ~7-20 years of its opening and 1 blight was not ended

it better will be another Ancient Tevinter that blight wasteland populated by darkspawns


kings and smiths CAN be replaced but Anvil is not

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 31 décembre 2013 - 09:41 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Dark Korsar wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Dark Korsar wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Dark Korsar wrote...

WidePaul wrote...

I never leave the anvil of the void intact regardless of who's king, I play nice guys and I'm not risking having that kind of blood on my hands.

by destroing anvil-the last hope to retrieve the thaigs and deep roads you became a murderer of dwarven race)))) and Harromount only making things worst

Harromount is much worst than Belen, and do not think that he is a really good person because he is not.

if someone want a good future for dwarves then you need to choose Belen as king and ALWAYS save the Anvil

Well i don't think that saving anvil that deliver fate worse than death and giving that to already hungry power ass** who snaps when gets crown is good idea.But about Harrowmont i agree still i chose behlen but destroyed anvil and get good ending.  

well think about this...

do you really think that send thousand of dwarves to die in deeep roads is better than sending a hundred golems(1 golem cost as 10-20 soldiers) who is not know fear, rest, do not need food, water and do not infected by blight or be poisoned..and who will serve for more than 1000 years?

if dwarves still will kill/execute their peoples(especially castless) why not replace execution by turning into golem who will protect dwarves and save mush more lifes..i think even death legion and some Grey Wardens(those who will die because of blight) will aprove turning themselfs into golems to fight darkspawns

Eee caradin said already that anvil delivered fate worse than death and he learned that when he ended as victim of this (and he keept his minds) i don't see giving already power hungry dwarf who after geting to his hand crown gets nuts and drunk with power.So we give him possibility abuse that and sending everyone who he don't like (that did last king who had anvil) to made him golem so even maybe it will bring back dwarven empire but good luck if you think that will be better than before it will be just another tevinter or even worse...     

Caridin could always kill himself for thousand years, and he is not have erased memory as others golems...he is just watch then dwarven thaigs was conquer and females raped by darkspawns...4 blights he is just whine about himself and no more

Caridin close his anvil after ~7-20 years of its opening and 1 blight was not ended

it better will be another Ancient Tevinter that blight wasteland populated by darkspawns

Cardin had own will other golems don't have it and still despite what he shows want destroy anvil he created that and felt how that works on his own skill so there is no better opinion than him on that matter.
And as far i renember dwarves stars remain deep roads without it just slowly and i bet you didn't want be resident of old dwarven empire even nobles weren't save there and slavery was legal.

[Asdrubael Vect]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Cardin had own will other golems don't have it and still despite what he shows want destroy anvil he created that and felt how that works on his own skill so there is no better opinion than him on that matter.
And as far i renember dwarves stars remain deep roads without it just slowly and i bet you didn't want be resident of old dwarven empire even nobles weren't save there and slavery was legal.

do you thing that dwarves is care about Caridin(who is immortal and can always kill himself) feeling then they lost 90% of their population and their empire and they still fight for every piece of what remains of that

do you thing that they ok with Caridin betrayal of his race then they will know that he close his anvil and left them die for 5 blights

and you still not see the cost of this "victory's" who sooner will be lost after darspawns will return to those survivors who conquer lost thaigs and roads

before 5 blight Orzammar have 150000(Denerim population was 70000, Ferelden-1 million) dwarves and ~20 golems who was cared and was the last line of defense...now some of dwarves from Orzammar conquer and live in Kal-Hirol

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 31 décembre 2013 - 10:01 .

[sylvanaerie]

I don't care one way or the other, I just find the Provings much more entertaining than the dirty smear campaign and dungeon crawl Vartag sends me on. If I want Bhelen on the throne, I still put him there, regardless of which side's quests I do, though I usually do Harrowmont's quests because I prefer doing them.

The only times I've done Bhelen's quests were on my DC (who put Bhelen on the throne for the sake of her sister and nephew) and my DN (who needed to get the evidence to prove Bhelen killed Trian--then sided with Harrowmont).

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 31 décembre 2013 - 10:02 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Dark Korsar wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Cardin had own will other golems don't have it and still despite what he shows want destroy anvil he created that and felt how that works on his own skill so there is no better opinion than him on that matter.
And as far i renember dwarves stars remain deep roads without it just slowly and i bet you didn't want be resident of old dwarven empire even nobles weren't save there and slavery was legal.

do you thing that dwarves is care about Caridin(who is immortal and can always kill himself) feeling then they lost 90% of their population and their empire and they still fight for every piece of what remains of that

do you thing that they ok with Caridin betral of his race then he close his anvil and left them die for 5 blights

and you still not see the cost of this "victory's" who sooner will be lost after darspawns will return to those survivors who conquer lost thaigs and roads

I don't think that dwarves care about anyone than themelsves thats why anvil shouldn't be in their control that they want power is pretty much another reason.

I don't think many cried after old empire who lived there and now many don't know what even was old empire... 

I see but i also see cost of anvil branka , harowmmont and behlen got drunk with power both with anvil and behlen even without it and in behlen ending with anvil branka gets golems for herself so thats your good ending for empire.

With great power comes great insanity...

ultimately you replacing one hell with another... and both anvil endings prove it.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 31 décembre 2013 - 10:04 .

[Kikidori]

I tried to find out what both wanted in game and I heard Bhelen wanted to expand the dwarven territory and give more oppertuinty for the casteless. So I went with him.

[dsl08002]

I choose harrowmont every time i play DAO

[Heimdall]

My "canon" Warden chose Bhelen, largely because he was a naive Dalish that didn't quite perceive the true nature of the dwarf. He destroyed the Anvil because Caridin asked and it was too easy to abuse.

[Trolldrool]

My first Warden, a Dalish, chose Harrowmount because he seemed like the more honourable and admirable choice. My second Warden, a dwarf noble chose Bhelen to keep the throne in the Aeducan family.

After that I've always cheated and chosen Bhelen regardless of what my Warden's personality is. Simple truth of the matter is that dwarf politics are horrible, detestable things and any king that wants to have hope of getting anything done needs to be equally ruthless and horrible.

[Raven489]

 I chose Bhelen.