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[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Unfortunately, I don't metagame.   But if I did, I'd choose Bhelen every time.  He might be a jerk on a personal basis, but he's an excellent king.

[Sylvius the Mad]

MasterScribe wrote...

This is the problem with the Orzammar portion. Once you know both outcomes, you will ALMOST always choose Bhelen from that point on. Unless you want the dwarves to suffer.

Unless you don't metagame.

My Aeducan Warden chose Harrowmont in order to deny Bhelen victory.  Bhelen had begun his war for the throne by attacking my character, and my character was absolutely not going to let him win.  Bhelen chose the battlefield.  Bhelen chose the sides.  Bhelen chose the outcome.  Orzammar's ultimate failure under Harrowmont was therefore Bhelen's fault.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

I had my dwarf noble pretend to support Bhelen, and then betray him when it came time to hand the crown over.  Interesting though, how your perspective changes while playing as a dwarf commoner.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I would generally expect non-dwarf Wardens to favour Bhelen. The surfacers have nothing to gain from dwarven isolation.

[Hellion Rex]

Bhelen. Always Bhelen.

[Androme]

I went for Harrowmont to preserve dwarven way of life and culture. There are things more important than $$$$$

Pick Harrowmont and save the Anvil, that way, the Dwarves will have a strong army and good defense and not be dependant on the other races to prosper and survive.

Modifié par Androme, 03 janvier 2014 - 09:44 .

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Androme wrote...

I went for Harrowmont to preserve dwarven way of life and culture. There are things more important than $$$$$

Pick Harrowmont and save the Anvil, that way, the Dwarves will have a strong army and good defense and not be dependant on the other races to prosper and survive.

There's just one problem with sparing the anvil.  Keeping it means sparing Branka's life, and there's no way in hell that I could ever do that.  Her stupidity grates on my nerves so much.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Androme wrote...

I went for Harrowmont to preserve dwarven way of life and culture. There are things more important than $$$$$

Pick Harrowmont and save the Anvil, that way, the Dwarves will have a strong army and good defense and not be dependant on the other races to prosper and survive.

There's just one problem with sparing the anvil.  Keeping it means sparing Branka's life, and there's no way in hell that I could ever do that.  Her stupidity grates on my nerves so much.

Doesn't Harrowmont send a army of golems to kill every castless living in dust town if given the anvil too?

[satunnainen]

EntropicAngel wrote...

I don't metagame that portion at all, and I can't imagine choosing Harrowmont.

Bhelen sends people to fight in the provings. Unless the game didn't make it clear, fighting is what the Dwarves do. It's almost their nature. So that isn't surprising in any way. Harrowmont, on the other hand, promises the same land to two different people. He's a dishonest person. The only thing you could say about Bhelen is that he's a fighter--which isn't surprising, nor considered intrinsically dishonest.

Playing a moral character (who isn't a dwarf noble--I've heard than an Aeducan Origin alone has a different position on him), Bhelen is the no-brainer choice.

On the other hand, if you play a moral character with brains, you will easily figure out, that Bhelen forged the documents that show Harrowmount promising the same deed to 2 different families. Also its Harrowmount, who sends the player to provings. 

[Sylvius the Mad]

MasterScribe wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I would generally expect non-dwarf Wardens to favour Bhelen. The surfacers have nothing to gain from dwarven isolation.

I would like to point out that dwarf Wardens ARE surfacers, since they left Orzammar for the surface. 

They might not view themselves as such.  Also, an Aeducan warden may well still feel some responsibility toward the people of Orzammar.

[ShawDawg94]

I made my warden pick Harrowmont even though I knew Bhelen was the better choice. My warden's only human (or elf), he's not perfect. It kind of made me like my character more knowing he still makes mistakes.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Always Bhelen.

He wants what is best for the common folk as opposed to protecting nonsense like tradition and the elites...So no matter how much of a jerk he is, my Wardens are capable of seeing through all that..

After all, if I took revenge on Bhelen, with me being a Dwarf Noble and knowing what his aims for Orzammar is as a king as opposed to Harrowmont's....

It would just make my Dwarf Noble Warden as bad as Bhelen...& at the end of the day, I prefer having moral / ethical superiority....

[Fortlowe]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I would generally expect non-dwarf Wardens to favour Bhelen. The surfacers have nothing to gain from dwarven isolation.

I would like to point out that dwarf Wardens ARE surfacers, since they left Orzammar for the surface. 

They might not view themselves as such.  Also, an Aeducan warden may well still feel some responsibility toward the people of Orzammar.

My dwarf playthroughs (common and noble) tend to favor Bhelen. Otherwise, I always select Harrowmont. The reasoning being, the dwarves have more context. The humans can only see a domineering jerk, Bhelen, and a kindly old soldier, Harrowmont. The dwarves see a ruthless reformer and a soft old aristocrat, respectively.

My noble dwarf is as progressive as Bhelen, just not into fratricide, patricide, and slander. He picks Bhelen because he knows him and even though he hates him and won't forgive him, he knows Bhelen will be what's best for Orazammar. 

My common dwarf chooses Bhelen, simply because the caste system has to be weakened and Bhelen is the best shot at it.

[Patchwork]

My Cousland choose Harrowmont because unlike Bhelen he seemed like a man of his word and through him she would get her dwarven troops, beyond that she didn't care happened. Also she suspected Bhelen to be too ambitious and a strong dwarf king might not be the best thing for Ferelden.

Aeducan secured herself the anvil, a paragon, her own paragonship and the grudging gratitude of the brother who set her up. Her new status allowed her to name Gorim her steward, his child her heir until she birthed her own and send them back to Orzammar to set up her house. Brother and sister then spend the rest of their lives alternating between ally and enemy while the nobles dance on Aeducan strings.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I don't meta game at all. BHELEN IS THE SUPPORTER OF PLEBS... KILL HIM!

[Uhh.. Jonah]

I chose Harrowmont. 1. Bhelen is a dick and he is mean and I don't want someone like that to win anything, ever. 2. I enjoy cutting off Bhelen's head. 3. Bhelen is mean.

When I found out about my terrible ending for Orzammar for the first time all I could think was: **** it. And that is my mindset for every playthrough when I go underground. Screw every little dwarf that I spent SO LONG HELPING because it turns out whenever I leave everything goes to ****. I mean even that poor dwarf that I helped open up the chantry was slaughtered. Ugh. Whatever.

[Wulfram]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I would generally expect non-dwarf Wardens to favour Bhelen. The surfacers have nothing to gain from dwarven isolation.

Why would non-Dwarf wardens expect Harrowmont to favour isolation?  Why should he abandon a millenia of commercial tradition?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Threat300 wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Androme wrote...

I went for Harrowmont to preserve dwarven way of life and culture. There are things more important than $$$$$

Pick Harrowmont and save the Anvil, that way, the Dwarves will have a strong army and good defense and not be dependant on the other races to prosper and survive.

There's just one problem with sparing the anvil.  Keeping it means sparing Branka's life, and there's no way in hell that I could ever do that.  Her stupidity grates on my nerves so much.

Doesn't Harrowmont send a army of golems to kill every castless living in dust town if given the anvil too?

I strongly doubt he goes that far. The Assembly is aware that the casteless are needed to do work that none of the castes can legally do: we have that from the Codex. My interpretation of that slide is that he just makes a seriously brutal example of them.

[Fishy]

Harrowmont all the time. Bhelen just see the casteless has meatshield for the army. He's a fracticide, Liar,Murderer,Fatherkiller,con artist and he has bad breath. Good thing I destroyed him with my hammer of doom. His skull cracking was music to my ear.

He's a tyrant. The end.

Modifié par Suprez30, 04 janvier 2014 - 12:14 .

[Androme]

Threat300 wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Androme wrote...

I went for Harrowmont to preserve dwarven way of life and culture. There are things more important than $$$$$

Pick Harrowmont and save the Anvil, that way, the Dwarves will have a strong army and good defense and not be dependant on the other races to prosper and survive.

There's just one problem with sparing the anvil.  Keeping it means sparing Branka's life, and there's no way in hell that I could ever do that.  Her stupidity grates on my nerves so much.

Doesn't Harrowmont send a army of golems to kill every castless living in dust town if given the anvil too?

He ends a rebellion, and part of ending that rebellion was destroying Dust Down and rebuilding it. He's doing his best to strenghten the dwarves as a whole while at the same time staying in touch with the dwarven ways.

[Shark17676]

I always sided with Bhelen. He's a D-bag, yes, but at least he's honest about it. Furthermore, the man is a strong leader and has vision.

Harrowmont, on the other hand, struck me as being quite incompetent and narrow-minded, and seemed shady as hell.

And considering the endings, I know I made the right choice.

[Augustei]

Kaiser Arian wrote...

I don't meta game at all. BHELEN IS THE SUPPORTER OF PLEBS... KILL HIM!

Rofl, dude you almost killed me. I was eating chips when I read this and nearly started choking. Funny stuff though,.You make a valid point..Don't want those dirty plebs actually thinking they have a place