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[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Last 5 posts made me a happy Dalish Ranger (excluding Shark17676's comment though!)

[St. Victorious]

I actually don't think this choice matters. Neither will be on the throne as Bhelen is a tyrant and a target for assassination and Harrowmont is old and feeble. I'm throwing out there that the Dace family will rule the dwarf empire and flavor text will fill in the blanks.

Either way, I have a Harrowmont and a Bhelen playthrough.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Human Noble chose Bhelen because he's a prince. (and I metagamed a bit. Don't judge me!)
Elf Mage chose Bhelen because my elf mage is a morally grey area and a little crazy.
Dwarf Noble chose Harrowmont because of the origin story.
Dwarf Commoner chose Bhelen because of his sister.
City Elf chose Harrowmont because he's a nice guy.

If I had an ideal playthrough, which is impossible, I'd give Bhelen the crown, keep the Anvil, and ruthlessly murder  that buffoon Branka.  Sorry, Oghren.  I can't her spreading her stupidity.

Simply put, Bhelen > Harrowmont.

Modifié par Neverwinter_Knight77, 04 janvier 2014 - 08:34 .

[In Exile]

EntropicAngel wrote...
Bhelen sends people to fight in the provings. Unless the game didn't make it clear, fighting is what the Dwarves do. It's almost their nature. So that isn't surprising in any way. Harrowmont, on the other hand, promises the same land to two different people. He's a dishonest person. The only thing you could say about Bhelen is that he's a fighter--which isn't surprising, nor considered intrinsically dishonest.

? 

Bhelen faked that evidence. You can see that if you go to the Shaperate. 

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Han Shot First wrote...

Bhelen: Bad Man, Good King

Harrowmont: Good Man, Bad King

I went with Bhelen.

http://en.wikipedia..../Utilitarianism

[Sylvius the Mad]

Without knowing Bhelen or Harrowmont's motives for becoming King, we can't really judge their moral character.

In Exile wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Bhelen sends people to fight in the provings. Unless the game didn't make it clear, fighting is what the Dwarves do. It's almost their nature. So that isn't surprising in any way. Harrowmont, on the other hand, promises the same land to two different people. He's a dishonest person. The only thing you could say about Bhelen is that he's a fighter--which isn't surprising, nor considered intrinsically dishonest.

? 

Bhelen faked that evidence. You can see that if you go to the Shaperate.

Something not all characters both doing, apparently.

There are good reasons to choose either.  I love this choice in DAO.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Wulfram wrote...

Why would non-Dwarf wardens expect Harrowmont to favour isolation?  Why should he abandon a millenia of commercial tradition?

They wouldn't.  But they do have reason to expect Bhelen to favour more open trade.

Choosing between a good outcome and an uncertain outcome, I favour the good one.

[smoke and mirrors]

After Bhelen tried to kill me no way was i making him king ... Harrowmont every time .

[TiiMMAH]

I chose Harrowmont, I don't let the epilogue ever dictate my choices as my Warden can't know the future lol.

[daniel_schold]

Bhelen in most playthroughs, apart from the ones where my warden is a dwarf noble

[DarthSliver]

I usually choose Harrowmont, but I recently started a playthrough where I plan to choose Bhelen as the king.

[Addai]

Wow we're getting all the old DAO arguments back again for another round, eh?

I pretty much always choose Bhelen. Did so from the first playthrough onward, because of overhearing the town crier talking about Bhelen supporting troops to fight the Blight, and Zevran pointing out that Harrowmont is so weak his own men won't stay loyal. Bhelen is a weasel but he's the stronger king and introduces necessary reforms.

My Aeducan also put Bhelen on the throne, after fighting in the provings to show she still has the ancestors' favor. It was pretty priceless, the look on Bhelen's face. Anyway she wasn't going to be the one to remove House Aeducan from power just for her revenge.

Modifié par Addai67, 05 janvier 2014 - 09:38 .

[Asdrubael Vect]

Uhh.. Jonah wrote...
When I found out about my terrible ending for Orzammar for the first time all I could think was: **** it. And that is my mindset for every playthrough when I go underground. Screw every little dwarf that I spent SO LONG HELPING because it turns out whenever I leave everything goes to ****. I mean even that poor dwarf that I helped open up the chantry was slaughtered. Ugh. Whatever.

1)good ruler is not the same as good person)))

2)you are not help dwarf when you choose weak and old Harromount(we see and know that he is incompetent without playing as Aeducan and knowing future) and/or destroying the Anvil

3)Orlais Chantry missioners open Chantry in Orzammar? someone does not remember history with Dales))) this Chantry trick with killed missioners always work.

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 05 janvier 2014 - 11:17 .

[Asdrubael Vect]

Ser Bard wrote...

My Cousland choose Harrowmont because unlike Bhelen he seemed like a man of his word and through him she would get her dwarven troops, beyond that she didn't care happened. Also she suspected Bhelen to be too ambitious and a strong dwarf king might not be the best thing for Ferelden.

 

1)Belen gives you more troops thant Harromount and he keeps his word

2)the only thing that Belen care is his kingdom and fight with Darkspawns

PS. Harromount does not give throne for Aeducan child and never will

[Gorkanus]

Bhelen,even as Aeducan,throught i refused his attempt at reconcilation,Throught it funny that Bhelen The Chess master can be surprised, if you want to try it: As aeducan work entire Time for harrowmont, then give the crown to bhelen,The look on that Jerk face was rewarding.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Bhelen. Harrowmont is a nice guy who genuinely cared about me, but my Aeducan still loved Orzammar with all his heart, even though it had betrayed and rejected him. Thus, he had to put Orzammar's best interests before his own.

Here's hoping he won't murder his Paragon brother's love child.

[Kikidori]

In Exile wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...
Bhelen sends people to fight in the provings. Unless the game didn't make it clear, fighting is what the Dwarves do. It's almost their nature. So that isn't surprising in any way. Harrowmont, on the other hand, promises the same land to two different people. He's a dishonest person. The only thing you could say about Bhelen is that he's a fighter--which isn't surprising, nor considered intrinsically dishonest.

? 

Bhelen faked that evidence. You can see that if you go to the Shaperate. 

But both of them agrees that, they had a deal of getting that land, it is not like they would say "Hey, I didn't have a deal with Harrowmont for this land " So from my understanding, it is not forged, as the dwaves didn't say that they didn't even do the deal. Or are they so stupid they forgotten the deal they had made? 

[LobselVith8]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Vote for Thorin Aeducan! (me)

You have my Dalish Inquisitor's vote, Thorin.

[dragonflight288]

LobselVith8 wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Vote for Thorin Aeducan! (me)

You have my Dalish Inquisitor's vote, Thorin.

Huzzah!

Now...to get your dalish Inquisitor to become a member of the Assembly so it will be legal....

[LobselVith8]

dragonflight288 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

You have my Dalish Inquisitor's vote, Thorin.

Huzzah!

Now...to get your dalish Inquisitor to become a member of the Assembly so it will be legal....

What you really need is a Paragon and a Crown...

Your ascension aside, I'm thinking Kal-Sharok might come into play during Inquisition. Wonder how Renvil Harrowmont is doing over there.

Also, the monopoly on lyrium would likely make Orzammar invaluable during the Mage-Templar War; both probably want to curry favor with the King.

[dragonflight288]

LobselVith8 wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

You have my Dalish Inquisitor's vote, Thorin.

Huzzah!

Now...to get your dalish Inquisitor to become a member of the Assembly so it will be legal....

What you really need is a Paragon and a Crown...

Your ascension aside, I'm thinking Kal-Sharok might come into play during Inquisition. Wonder how Renvil Harrowmont is doing over there.

Also, the monopoly on lyrium would likely make Orzammar invaluable during the Mage-Templar War; both probably want to curry favor with the King.

True. Bhelen would probably go to the highest bidder, or use lyrium to garner favors, like aiding them against darkspawn or something like that, whereas Harrowmont would probably stay out of the conflict as much as possible.

Then again, Harrowmont was Enderin's High Genera, so he may have some military insight Bhelen lacks from inexperience, even if he's completely isolationist and elderly, and not particularly politically saavy.

That would be an interesting twist. Bhelen being the preferred choice to make Orzammar stronger, but Harrowmont actually being the better choice in the event of a conflict with the surface. Yes, I know that's unlikely but it's a fun thought.

[Master Warder Z_]

dragonflight288 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

You have my Dalish Inquisitor's vote, Thorin.

Huzzah!

Now...to get your dalish Inquisitor to become a member of the Assembly so it will be legal....

What you really need is a Paragon and a Crown...

Your ascension aside, I'm thinking Kal-Sharok might come into play during Inquisition. Wonder how Renvil Harrowmont is doing over there.

Also, the monopoly on lyrium would likely make Orzammar invaluable during the Mage-Templar War; both probably want to curry favor with the King.

True. Bhelen would probably go to the highest bidder, or use lyrium to garner favors, like aiding them against darkspawn or something like that, whereas Harrowmont would probably stay out of the conflict as much as possible.

Then again, Harrowmont was Enderin's High Genera, so he may have some military insight Bhelen lacks from inexperience, even if he's completely isolationist and elderly, and not particularly politically saavy.

That would be an interesting twist. Bhelen being the preferred choice to make Orzammar stronger, but Harrowmont actually being the better choice in the event of a conflict with the surface. Yes, I know that's unlikely but it's a fun thought.

Would it even count as a conflict really though when all they need to do is lay siege to the front gate and then the city starves?

[Phoenix_Fyre]

Never picked Harrowmont and this is my 4th run.

However I am giving Behlen the anvil this time around, since I'm playing a dwarf noble

[MadCat221]

Bhelen Aeducan is only following in the footsteps of his paragonic ancestor: strong-arming the obstinate members of society into compliance so the society as a whole can even survive.

Yes, he's a tyrant.  But considering how self-centered and cutthroat the Nobles are, and how badly stratified the society is... he's absolutely necessary.

He's kinda like Julius Caesar: He has the adulation of the Plebians, and the loathing of the Patricians.

Modifié par MadCat221, 05 janvier 2014 - 11:27 .

[Phoenix_Fyre]

So when Behlen dissolves the Assembly.... how did that go over? I'm surprised there were revolutions after that

What does that entail for the Aeducan monarchy? Endrin Jr. is the rightful king? The Adeucan line is now the permanent monarchy? What about a DN Warden? He/She is by right the 3rd heir to the throne