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[Oni Changas]

Havok is a Turian with Popeye nades and Cryo Blast. In no way is his dps low. I just find his powers a little boring. HS is great but suffers greatly off host, and being that it doesnt regen shields like Biotic Charge makes it worse. Havok can wreck with any weapon just as well as any Turian, only he can Flying Headbutt dudes before unloading a clip in an enemies' face with weapon synergy.

[Oni Changas]

If you want a tough Quarksman, Cylclonic IV and Stronghold Package gives him Turian levels of tankiness. Honestly, what else would you put in those slots?

Marksman gives you headshot damage and stability.
His cd isnt terrible, even with Sabo.
His speed is decent.
His powers dont do damage (not any worth buffing anyways).
With Pulse, you basically get free 5 second Geth Scanner minus the HUD.

[Kislitsin]

OniTYME wrote...

Havok is a Turian with Popeye nades and Cryo Blast. In no way is his dps low. I just find his powers a little boring. HS is great but suffers greatly off host, and being that it doesnt regen shields like Biotic Charge makes it worse. Havok can wreck with any weapon just as well as any Turian, only he can Flying Headbutt dudes before unloading a clip in an enemies' face with weapon synergy.

The sole reason why you OUGHT to spec into HS

[tonnactus]

SpaceV3gan wrote...

Soldiers are the most fun class and probably most diverse. Also my favorite class.

The absolute worst in my opinion is the Havoc. The Quarian comes second worst. The Vorcha comes third. All those characters lack synergy.

Since when the Vorcha lacks synergy? Flame enemies, follow with carnage, and you have a fire explosion...

[Wizard of Ox]

Vortcha, because Flamer. And he's a Vortcha. 

Modifié par KroGan_eRRanT, 28 décembre 2013 - 09:35 .

[VaultingFrog]

OniTYME wrote...

If you want a tough Quarksman, Cylclonic IV and Stronghold Package gives him Turian levels of tankiness. Honestly, what else would you put in those slots?

Marksman gives you headshot damage and stability.
His cd isnt terrible, even with Sabo.
His speed is decent.
His powers dont do damage (not any worth buffing anyways).
With Pulse, you basically get free 5 second Geth Scanner minus the HUD.

And I can put those two mods on any other soldier and just improve their basic tankyness. Straight up with out the mods he is far less of a tank than anything else out there in the soldier class. His powers can go to hell for all I care, his ability to tank like the other soldiers is sorely lacking which is why I feel he is the last.

If you have to depend on the mods to make him equivalent to the other soldiers in terms of being a tank then there is something wrong with him.

[The One True Crash]

If you need the qms to be a tank you are doing it wrong. Just because a class doesn't fit your opinion of what that class should be does not make it the worst. Marksman alone makes the qms good.

Modifié par CrashUrStox, 29 décembre 2013 - 01:14 .

[VaultingFrog]

CrashUrStox wrote...

If you need the qms to be a tank you are doing it wrong. Just because a class doesn't fall into the preconceived notion of what it should be to you does not make it the worst. Marksman alone makes the qms good.

It just doesn't seem to fit the "design" for the class to me. They are ment to be in the thick of it constantly, taking hits and giving it right back. Quarksman just doesn't do that to me.

Is it a bad kit? Absolutely not, just not the best "soldier" in my eyes.

[Evil]

VaultingFrog wrote...

CrashUrStox wrote...

If you need the qms to be a tank you are doing it wrong. Just because a class doesn't fall into the preconceived notion of what it should be to you does not make it the worst. Marksman alone makes the qms good.

It just doesn't seem to fit the "design" for the class to me. They are ment to be in the thick of it constantly, taking hits and giving it right back. Quarksman just doesn't do that to me.

Is it a bad kit? Absolutely not, just not the best "soldier" in my eyes.

Try thinking of the quarksman as a ME1 era infiltrator (combat+tech), rather than as a soldier, if that helps.

[VaultingFrog]

Evil Mastered wrote...
Try thinking of the quarksman as a ME1 era infiltrator (combat+tech), rather than as a soldier, if that helps.

My ME1 infiltrator would make the Quarksman feel ashamed to exist. That being said, I understand that idea of yours. Doesn't really change how I feel about him though.

[dumdum2]

I would have to say Chuck Norris.

[HolyAvenger]

VaultingFrog wrote...

CrashUrStox wrote...

If you need the qms to be a tank you are doing it wrong. Just because a class doesn't fall into the preconceived notion of what it should be to you does not make it the worst. Marksman alone makes the qms good.

It just doesn't seem to fit the "design" for the class to me. They are ment to be in the thick of it constantly, taking hits and giving it right back. Quarksman just doesn't do that to me.

Is it a bad kit? Absolutely not, just not the best "soldier" in my eyes.

 

I don't think they're meant to be that. I think they're meant to be sustained-DPS weapons masters. You don't like the Quarksman, that's fine. But your reading of what the soldier class is meant to be like is pretty off-base.

[The One True Crash]

HolyAvenger wrote...

VaultingFrog wrote...

CrashUrStox wrote...

If you need the qms to be a tank you are doing it wrong. Just because a class doesn't fall into the preconceived notion of what it should be to you does not make it the worst. Marksman alone makes the qms good.

It just doesn't seem to fit the "design" for the class to me. They are ment to be in the thick of it constantly, taking hits and giving it right back. Quarksman just doesn't do that to me.

Is it a bad kit? Absolutely not, just not the best "soldier" in my eyes.

 

I don't think they're meant to be that. I think they're meant to be sustained-DPS weapons masters. You don't like the Quarksman, that's fine. But your reading of what the soldier class is meant to be like is pretty off-base.

Said it better than I ever could, thank you. 

[VaultingFrog]

HolyAvenger wrote...

I don't think they're meant to be that. I think they're meant to be sustained-DPS weapons masters. You don't like the Quarksman, that's fine. But your reading of what the soldier class is meant to be like is pretty off-base.

Taken from the soldier class description on Mass Effect Wiki (not a great source but one at hand immediately):

Gameplay focus is on getting into the thick of the fight, picking the right weapon for tactical situations, and outlasting opponents.

Sounds like exactly what I was talking about to me....

Modifié par VaultingFrog, 29 décembre 2013 - 02:07 .

[Alex_Dur4and]

BF3 soldier

[Heldarion]

OniTYME wrote...

Havok is a Turian with Popeye nades and Cryo Blast. In no way is his dps low. I just find his powers a little boring. HS is great but suffers greatly off host, and being that it doesnt regen shields like Biotic Charge makes it worse. Havok can wreck with any weapon just as well as any Turian, only he can Flying Headbutt dudes before unloading a clip in an enemies' face with weapon synergy.

Every other soldier has a broken-in-half grenade/steorid power/debuff/CC power (usually a combination of 2)

Turian Soldier - Proxy Mine, Marksman, CS
Human Soldier/BF3 soldier - Adrenaline Rush, Frags, CS/Carnage
Quarksman - Tac scan and Marksman
Batarian - Inferno nades, also CC with Ballistic blades
Destroyer - Multi-Frags, toggled DM
Geth Trooper - lolflamer and Hunter Mode sweetness bonuses, a weapons platform of choice for many
Krogan Soldier - Inferno nade, Carnage
Juggernaut - sticks out of this, but is exorbitantly tanky (and probably still has higher DPS output than Havoc)
Vorcha - flamer, bloodlust, carnage

Havoc? Havoc strike, which is a worse Biotic Charge, Stim Packs that give a negligible gun bonus and a debuff that does no damage. I honestly don't ever see him outDPS-ing other soldiers.

[Kislitsin]

@Heldarion: with all due respect, I can not agree with you.

CB does no damage but provides 25% debuff.

Stims recover shieldgate and provide lots of frames.

His passives are better than jugs.

He can easily outDPS jugg and outsurvive him in most circumstances.
Havok strike provides enough iframes and has a great force.

Modifié par Kislitsin, 29 décembre 2013 - 08:43 .

[Mad Scientist]

My vote goes to Turian Havoc. So bland and boring.

[Argent Xero]

The cool thing about Havoc Strike, is that upon activation it has Invincibility Frame which can take an Atlas missile. Biotic Charge, on the other hand can't.

If you're using the Venom on him, you can aim and release your shot at the target you're about to Havoc Strike. Turian Havoc isn't the worst Soldier.

Quarian Marksman imo, is the worst Soldier. I'm not saying he's a bad kit, but he's the one that doesn't synergize well with all 3 of his powers.

I just don't understand why he has Sabotage.

(btw my vote is based on playability and not "DPS")

I also found out that he has less Shields than any other Quarian. Only scrubs have less Shields then they're supposed to.

Modifié par ArgentN7, 29 décembre 2013 - 01:27 .

[Heldarion]

Kislitsin wrote...

@Heldarion: with all due respect, I can not agree with you.

CB does no damage but provides 25% debuff.

Stims recover shieldgate and provide lots of frames.

His passives are better than jugs.

He can easily outDPS jugg and outsurvive him in most circumstances.
Havok strike provides enough iframes and has a great force.

Well yes, I did just look at numbers and Havoc's passive provides 2.5% more damage than Jugg's. He has a debuff, and a temporary weapon buff in HS, alright. But that's only one Soldier out of 9. iFrames are a great argument in survivability, but other soldiers increase their survivability by killing enemies a lot faster.

Yes, Havoc can get into the thick of it and survive, but so can Juggernaut. However, that makes them better tanks than Soldiers.

[sr2josh]

Turian

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

Makai81 wrote...

Turian

Yeah, the Havoc ain't anything special. Not the worst, though.

[sr2josh]

FatherOfPearl wrote...

Makai81 wrote...

Turian

Yeah, the Havoc ain't anything special. Not the worst, though.

Ironically, the Havoc is my favorite barely over the Destroyer.

[chcknwng]

ArgentN7 wrote...

The cool thing about Havoc Strike, is that upon activation it has Invincibility Frame which can take an Atlas missile. Biotic Charge, on the other hand can't.

*snip*

um, say what? 

[GriM_AoD]

Vorcha, probably followed by the Havoc



QMS and the Juggy are both good... and if you think otherwise, Ima just go ahead and say you are wrong.