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[Miniditka77]

The three best are the N7 Paladin, the Asari Valkyrie, and the Vorcha.  Honestly, I think if you go by raw killing power, the Vorcha is the best.  He has two of the most awesome powers on the game, one of which is on a scaling cooldown, and one of which has no cooldown.  And he has health regeneration and great mobility.  The Valkyrie is the best against bosses though.

As much as I love the Turian Sentinel, he's pretty far back of the top 3.  He's a great all-around character, but he just doesn't have the raw killing power that the top 3 have.

[MGW7]

Batsent because he is both a true sentinel and because I prefer his abilities to that of the Tsent, but it is close

[chcknwng]

MGW7 wrote...

Batsent because he is both a true sentinel and because I prefer his abilities to that of the Tsent, but it is close

 

um did I read that right? You prefer SubNet to Overload, and Shcokwave to warp? o.0

[corporal doody]

tough question. toss up between volus merc, paladin, and valkyrie

[billpickles]

MGW7 wrote...

Batsent because he is both a true sentinel and because I prefer his abilities to that of the Tsent, but it is close

I love me some Batarians, but I think you missed where this thread asks for the best Sentinel.  You seem to have answered the opposite question.

[TheNightSlasher]

Miniditka77 wrote...

The three best are the N7 Paladin, the Asari Valkyrie, and the Vorcha.  Honestly, I think if you go by raw killing power, the Vorcha is the best.  He has two of the most awesome powers on the game, one of which is on a scaling cooldown, and one of which has no cooldown.  And he has health regeneration and great mobility.  

So true about the vorcha sentinel. A true power house kit.

[Kislitsin]

Miniditka77 wrote...

As much as I love the Turian Sentinel, he's pretty far back of the top 3.  He's a great all-around character, but he just doesn't have the raw killing power that the top 3 have.

what do you mean by raw killing power?
Have you tried using weapons on him?  He is well rounded and he has just "enough" raw killing power with a good weapon to:
Oneshot any mook with claymoar/wraith/arc/talon
Oneclip most plat bosses with PPR/Phoon/arc

And your "top 3" are:
Kit that broken in 2 of his powers and melee, and can perform well only because of glitched prime-all detonate-all Spam Cheeze. Not to mention how annoying his splosions are.
Kit that is an ultimate scrub with flamer and lolnades, despite that fact severly lacking in tankiness and CC. Not to mention how happy your teammates are to have a flamer and screenshake in one match.

TSent is a good well rounded weapon platform with perfect offense/defense/CC/Tankiness/Mobility ratio, and I feel myself much more comfortable on u/u/platinum with him (wihout CMs) than with any of mentioned above (with CMs).
Valkire is cool, she is TSents little sister in arms shifted a bit on the offence and mobility side. 

[Kislitsin]

But as I mentioned, vorcha sent is a great disposable TSents little helper...

[Miniditka77]

Kislitsin wrote...

Miniditka77 wrote...

As much as I love the Turian Sentinel, he's pretty far back of the top 3.  He's a great all-around character, but he just doesn't have the raw killing power that the top 3 have.

what do you mean by raw killing power?
Have you tried using weapons on him?  He is well rounded and he has just "enough" raw killing power with a good weapon to:
Oneshot any mook with claymoar/wraith/arc/talon
Oneclip most plat bosses with PPR/Phoon/arc

And your "top 3" are:
Kit that broken in 2 of his powers and melee, and can perform well only because of glitched prime-all detonate-all Spam Cheeze. Not to mention how annoying his splosions are.
Kit that is an ultimate scrub with flamer and lolnades, despite that fact severly lacking in tankiness and CC. Not to mention how happy your teammates are to have a flamer and screenshake in one match.

TSent is a good well rounded weapon platform with perfect offense/defense/CC/Tankiness/Mobility ratio, and I feel myself much more comfortable on u/u/platinum with him (wihout CMs) than with any of mentioned above (with CMs).
Valkire is cool, she is TSents little sister in arms shifted a bit on the offence and mobility side. 

What I mean is that it's great that the TSent can OSK any mook with the Claymore.  But in the time you OSK that single mook and reloaded, the Vorcha has sprayed an entire crowd with Flamer, then chucked in a couple of Cluster Grenades for multiple 6x6 fire explosions and probably a Killstreak.  I've gotten a Killstreak with a single Cluster Grenade from the Vorcha against Reapers before.

EDIT: Or the Paladin has destroyed an entire group of mooks with a broken Cryo Explosion.  And the Valkyrie's killing power against bosses is one of the best in the game.  Warp debuff + AF debuff + a high-DPS weapon like the Piranha + periodic BEs thrown in, and she eats armor for breakfast.

Modifié par Miniditka77, 27 décembre 2013 - 05:16 .

[Kislitsin]

Miniditka77 wrote...

What I mean is that it's great that the TSent can OSK any mook with the Claymore.  But in the time you OSK that single mook and reloaded, the Vorcha has sprayed an entire crowd with Flamer, then chucked in a couple of Cluster Grenades for multiple 6x6 fire explosions and probably a Killstreak. 

vs bawsess we are 1v1. TSent wins in weapon damage, tankiness and CC, while loose on mobility and mook clearing ability. Any grenade kit kills the mooks faster, it doesn't make the kit a good sentinel.

And if we talk "raw power" 6x6 fire splosions are not the best tool vs mooks (cuz shields) and in comparison with DrellDept VSent sucks so hard in room clearing.

And in the time your scrubby little friend sprayed the crowds with flamer, arc-pistol TSent got 5HS medal with his first five kills.  Seriously, Max Dmian uncovered an abomination.

[megawug]

N7 Paladin, but the Batarian hate-surfing is way more fun.

[MGW7]

wngmv wrote...

MGW7 wrote...

Batsent because he is both a true sentinel and because I prefer his abilities to that of the Tsent, but it is close

 

um did I read that right? You prefer SubNet to Overload, and Shcokwave to warp? o.0

At long range, obviously no, but I don't enjoy fighting at range as much as I do up close

But in CQB, the batsent is far superior to the tsent,
The bastsent has superior mobility, and is very tanky, his melee is far better, his powers are all about close range CC,  and he isn't completely lacking in weapons output, as neither can dodge his higher base mobility gives him quite the advantage

Modifié par MGW7, 27 décembre 2013 - 05:47 .

[SoulRebel_1979]

Turian, he's a really cool guy.

[WestLakeDragon]

OG Krogan Sentinel is best Sentinel.

[Miniditka77]

Kislitsin wrote...

Miniditka77 wrote...

What I mean is that it's great that the TSent can OSK any mook with the Claymore.  But in the time you OSK that single mook and reloaded, the Vorcha has sprayed an entire crowd with Flamer, then chucked in a couple of Cluster Grenades for multiple 6x6 fire explosions and probably a Killstreak. 

vs bawsess we are 1v1. TSent wins in weapon damage, tankiness and CC, while loose on mobility and mook clearing ability. Any grenade kit kills the mooks faster, it doesn't make the kit a good sentinel.

And if we talk "raw power" 6x6 fire splosions are not the best tool vs mooks (cuz shields) and in comparison with DrellDept VSent sucks so hard in room clearing.

And in the time your scrubby little friend sprayed the crowds with flamer, arc-pistol TSent got 5HS medal with his first five kills.  Seriously, Max Dmian uncovered an abomination.

First, the fact that you underlined "sentinel" makes it seem like you and I are talking about different things.  Yes, the TSent is the most "pure" sentinel on the game.  He's also not "scrubby" as you say (aka, he doesn't have any OP powers).  He's far from the most powerful sentinel though.  TSent + Arc Pistol is going to get more headshots, this is true.  He will still kill fewer things than the Vorcha in the same amount of time.  And the Vorcha's Flamer more than makes up for having lower weapon damage than the Turian, when you're talking about boss-killing.

Also, the DA isn't a Sentinel, so I don't know what the point of even bringing him up is.  Yes, he's awesome.  That doesn't make the Vorcha Sentinel any less awesome.  The Vorcha has better survivability and better boss damage with Flamer, and the DA is better with weapons and better at mook killing.

Modifié par Miniditka77, 27 décembre 2013 - 06:37 .

[Kislitsin]

@Miniditka77 Following you logic, QME and RM spamming DI are better killers than GI (which isn't true).

TSent is better vs bosses even the "fair" (warp/ap ammo) way, while he is a great mook killer. He can hold his ground and two experienced players on gold/plat will perform eqally well with either vorcha or tsent.
If you have at least some aim, you can do better with TSent (including bosses) if you can't/don't want to aim - Vorcha (dont forget the reeger than).

And I underlined sentinel because I see the class as a "heavy support". I don't think that screenshaking nades and blinding flamer are trully supportive.
Moreover, TSent performs equally well at any range, while vorcha needs CQC (as do AVS and pally).

Indeed, Senturians strength is a lack of weaknesses.

Lastly, I gave example of the real "raw-killer", which DA is, to point out that there are a lot of much better "raw killers" (whatever it means), while vorcha doesn't fullfill his sentinels duty (tank, take aggro, debuff).

PS: the amount of mooks killed wih arc pistol in a given time depends only on how fast you can switch between targets.

Modifié par Kislitsin, 27 décembre 2013 - 07:00 .

[DHKany]

MGW7 wrote...

wngmv wrote...

MGW7 wrote...

Batsent because he is both a true sentinel and because I prefer his abilities to that of the Tsent, but it is close

 

um did I read that right? You prefer SubNet to Overload, and Shcokwave to warp? o.0

At long range, obviously no, but I don't enjoy fighting at range as much as I do up close

But in CQB, the batsent is far superior to the tsent,
The bastsent has superior mobility, and is very tanky, his melee is far better, his powers are all about close range CC,  and he isn't completely lacking in weapons output, as neither can dodge his higher base mobility gives him quite the advantage

Have you heard of Chain Overload? Like at all? 
Not saying subnet or shockwave aren't decent CC powers, just that Chain Overload pretty much outdoes both of those powers handily. 

Modifié par DHKany, 27 décembre 2013 - 07:15 .

[DHKany]

Kislitsin wrote...


PS: the amount of mooks killed wih arc pistol in a given time depends only on how fast you can switch between targets.

PS: the amount of mooks killed with any of the other sentinels mentioned above requires markedly less effort for an arguably better gain. 

[Miniditka77]

Kislitsin wrote...

@Miniditka77 Following you logic, QME and RM spamming DI are better killers than GI (which isn't true).

TSent is better vs bosses even the "fair" (warp/ap ammo) way, while he is a great mook killer. He can hold his ground and two experienced players on gold/plat will perform eqally well with either vorcha or tsent.
If you have at least some aim, you can do better with TSent (including bosses) if you can't/don't want to aim - Vorcha (dont forget the reeger than).

And I underlined sentinel because I see the class as a "heavy support". I don't think that screenshaking nades and blinding flamer are trully supportive.
Moreover, TSent performs equally well at any range, while vorcha needs CQC (as do AVS and pally).

Indeed, Senturians strength is a lack of weaknesses.

Lastly, I gave example of the real "raw-killer", which DA is, to point out that there are a lot of much better "raw killers" (whatever it means), while vorcha doesn't fullfill his sentinels duty (tank, take aggro, debuff).

PS: the amount of mooks killed wih arc pistol in a given time depends only on how fast you can switch between targets.

The Vorcha can kill more enemies in a shorter period of time than the Turian.  That is what I mean by "raw killing power."  The Turian may be slightly better against individual enemies, but that's only assuming you don't also use your Grenades on individual enemies.  And PS, the mook-killing rate of the Arc Pistol is limited by the charge time and your aiming skills.  With perfect aiming (impossible), the TSent can kill one mook per second, assuming they're not possessed.  The Vorcha has no such limits with Flamer and Clusters.

If you want to argue that the Turian is better for reasons like survivability and picking off individual mooks at longer ranges, then go ahead.  But arguing damage output potential is just a losing argument.

 Also, I don't want to sound rude, but it's completely, totally irrelevant which one fits your "vision" for the class better.  I'm talking about which one is better at killing things.  And it is completely, totally irrelevant whether some other classes are better than the Vorcha Sentinel.  We're arguing about the Turian Sentinel, not the Drell Adept.  By your logic, the GI is better than the Turian Sentinel, therefore you lose.

Modifié par Miniditka77, 27 décembre 2013 - 08:27 .

[SpaceV3gan]

MasterReefa wrote...

Miniditka77 wrote...

The three best are the N7 Paladin, the Asari Valkyrie, and the Vorcha.  Honestly, I think if you go by raw killing power, the Vorcha is the best.  He has two of the most awesome powers on the game, one of which is on a scaling cooldown, and one of which has no cooldown.  And he has health regeneration and great mobility.  The Valkyrie is the best against bosses though.

As much as I love the Turian Sentinel, he's pretty far back of the top 3.  He's a great all-around character, but he just doesn't have the raw killing power that the top 3 have.

Agreed 100%

This.

[FluffyCannibal]

WARNING!!! What is written below is MY opinion, not yours, so if you don't like it, please lock yourself in the reactor room.
For me there are only five classes, because the Sentinels bore the hell out of me.

EDIT: Well, I'm in lurve with the Vorcha Sentinel:wub:, but let's face it, he's not really a Sentinel.

Modifié par FluffyCannibal, 27 décembre 2013 - 08:54 .

[ToaOrka]

The vanilla Krogan, obviously.

[Kislitsin]

@Miniditka
Mind you, It's not me but you started this 'kill faster' discussion. That is why I took DA as an example. 
If TTK was an ultimate and single characteristic, than class doesn't matter,  GI would have been the only kit.

TTK matters a lot, yes, and I've tried to point it out to you, that with some effort, TSent can be a killing machine despite lack of flamer or nades. While being tanky. I.e he has just enough killing power. 
Isn't the initial point of being a sentinel is to be a master of everything.

And you completely ignored all the "universality" arguments. TSent is good with any decent weapon and loadout in most circumstances. Vorcha is CQC mostly. 
For Glacier Reaper speedruns Vorcha is much better.
For U/U/Plat I will choose TSent all the day every day.

I feel like you never played TSent, or played him long ago back on silver.