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[SomeoneStoleMyName]

After the previous DA games, some of the criticism was "No real intelligent antagonists", no dialogue - just mindless monsters. 

But with the architect and corypheus (or w/e he is called) we are seeing a more intelligent side to darkspawn. Personally I loved the ancient tevinter mage, and lorewise it wasnt a problem. Because a magister of his power should and could retain his mind after being turned darkspawn.

The architect though wasnt to my liking... imo it ruined the mystery, darkness and malevolence to the darkspawn abit. Just like (Attack on titan spoiler!!! ) in the shingeki/attack on titan series when the monstrous enemies were suddenly also humans - it ruined the dread and malevolence of the enemy and imo took the series in the complete wrong direction.

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Looking at darkspawn as an own race, and choosing to let the intelligent antagonists be darkspawn themed, I really dont like it personally.

What do you guys think? Should intelligent enemies be seeded in other places? Or are you guys fine with it if the inquisition continues to make dark spawn more sentinent?

[Axdinosaurx]

As long as they don't hop around like the flying monkeys from the Wizard of Oz again (DA2), I'm okay with some intelligent darkspawn.

Modifié par Axdinosaurx, 27 décembre 2013 - 03:10 .

[vaire]

Actually I really liked the Architect. What I liked the most was how he wasn't neither "good" nor "killing baby seals evil".
He could be neither because he was "alone" among his fellows: a mutation of unknown origins and a stunningly high intelligence trying to create a standard of behavior that would allow his brethren to coexist with others. I liked the fact he seemed alien to most human concepts and struggling to understand the world around him.
In my opinion he didn't spoil at all the darkspawn, quite the contrary, he made them more interesting, allowing the player to understand there was something brewing. Without him Coripheus would have seemed "cartoonish" to me.
Naturally this is just my opinion, but, heck, even Tolkien's orcs are intelligent enough to have their language and they are the definition of monodimentional "evil"! XD

[Dutchess]

I'm not sure, to be honest. It could be interesting if they are actually going somewhere with the intelligent darkspawn thing, but I'm not sure anymore whether the writers know where they are going with a lot of plot threads. I think it would be most interesting to discover more about the ancient magisters/Corypheus. Perhaps now that he's been freed, Cory will start digging for his old colleagues?

[Ziegrif]

Yes.
I want a darkspawn comic relief character.
Course what I want is usually really really crazy.

[Vortex13]

Not so much the Architect and Corypheus, but I did find the Awakened Darkspawn very interesting. Not just from the fact that one helps the player (the Messenger) and lends credence to the possibility of Awakened allies, but because of their 'alien' nature to Thedas and the Darkspawn overall.

Having an ubermensch character is standard procedure when the plot wants to add something new or different to an established faction. "This character can do this thing because he is the Architect."
What I liked about the Awakened was that they are normal Darkspawn, given sentience; they are the cannon fodder given purpose.

Its not so much the previously unknown force/character, that I find interesting, its the things that no one even looks at twice, suddenly gaining power, intelligence, or some added degree of personality that I find fascinating.

[Nefla]

I liked corypheus, I didn't like the architect or the other talking darkspawn. I think it's better to keep some things mysterious, alien, and terrifying. Trying to assign human thought and motivations really messed up the reapers in ME3 in my opinion and was one of the things that made me hate the game.

[Naughty Bear]

I agree with the Attack on Titan spoiler, I loved the horror the standard Titans emanate, the creepiness that oozes from that with their frozen faces that are heavily twisted and smiling as the mindlessly eat people alive like zombies.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 27 décembre 2013 - 03:44 .

[Toasted Llama]

I'm interested where it will lead.

Though I was always a bigger fan of intelligent antagonists with a sort of philosophy you could get behind (such as Saren and TIM), instead of mindless"BAAAGGHHH IM EVIL. MUST KILL BAAGGHHH" type of enemy.

[Potato Cat]

I want more intelligent antagonists. I don't want more intelligent darkspawn.

For the record, I think the Architect and Corypheus, (as well as any other of the 'surviving' Magisters who might appear), are all well and good, but people seem to want an intelligent darkspawn as a companion which baffles me.

[SeekerOfLight]

I agree that having intelligent darkspawn as enemies in awakenings, considering the fact that their tactics (if you could call them that) revolved around charge and charge until the other side runs out of people to charge at, having intelligent darkspawn would be a nightmare scenario especially for orzamar.

And as a foil to the warden the architect was good, because as mentioned before he is a mutation of the darkspawn and he is just trying to 'save' his people.

But, from my point of view (as a human, mage warden) the darksapwn are far too dangerous a foe to just trust his word. Also, considering that once they are awakened the 'spawn don't have to agree with the architects' goals (see the mother), just having him bumbling about experimenting (on grey wardens because their blood is the catalyst to awaken other spawn) just seems like a disaster to me.

Not to mention his 'plan' to end the blights.

So from a narrative perspective I can see their appeal as antagonists, but as a player no.

Besides they're darkspawn i'm a grey warden, I kill them on general principle.

[Fast Jimmy]

I did find the storylines that show how different types of beings deal with their newfound sentience. How some, like the Messenger, sought to become more noble, while others, like the Mother, hated it and wished to return to a mindless existence.

However, the problem with the Darkspawn is their own lore, how the mere presence of them causes the Taint that courses through them to kill, distort and destroy. If The Messenger (or any Awakened Darkspawn) were to become a companion, it would require some type of hand waving how anyone who is not a Grey Warden doesn't become sick or dead over time.

If the writers could implement something that nerfs this inherent sickness that they would pass to everyone and everything they spent time around, then I think it has much more potential. As it is, Darkspawn can only be used sparingly in roles outside of enemies.

[Ziegrif]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I did find the storylines that show how different types of beings deal with their newfound sentience. How some, like the Messenger, sought to become more noble, while others, like the Mother, hated it and wished to return to a mindless existence.

However, the problem with the Darkspawn is their own lore, how the mere presence of them causes the Taint that courses through them to kill, distort and destroy. If The Messenger (or any Awakened Darkspawn) were to become a companion, it would require some type of hand waving how anyone who is not a Grey Warden doesn't become sick or dead over time.

If the writers could implement something that nerfs this inherent sickness that they would pass to everyone and everything they spent time around, then I think it has much more potential. As it is, Darkspawn can only be used sparingly in roles outside of enemies.

Well first thing that comes to mind for an easy way to hand waive the disease would be an even BIGGER grey warden blood coktail. Also why not just have some awakened join the grey wardens? It'd be a purpose for some who decide to strive for a nobler existence. They might also be a more effective weapon against the darkspawn than Grey Wardens.

[Medhia Nox]

I suppose the "technical" answer is yes.

But, ultimately - the only smart Darkspawn I want are ancient Tevinter Magisters or someone, who somehow, manages to breach the Black City and becomes a Darkspawn.

But no intelligent "regular" Darkspawn...

Perhaps though, I could see Wardens who "somehow" survive in the Deep Roads long enough - becoming intelligent Darkspawn also.

And I like the fact that they're anathema to other races - I don't want everything turned vanilla fantasy.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 27 décembre 2013 - 04:40 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

I rather have the darkspawn to be driven by some kind of intelligence than have them completely dumb. Otherwise they would be nothing more than zombies. Besides, they do have weapons and armor, so they can't be that mindless.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Yes absolutely. The Awakened Darkspawn are a subplot I definitely want to see more of. Especially since Awakening proves they are a total wildcard. Not that I want all darkspawn to become intelligent but I think the story of the intelligent ones is very interesting and should be continued.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 27 décembre 2013 - 04:46 .

[Cutlass Jack]

The Messenger was awesome and should come back again. I love how he became Batman at the end of Awakening.

[daveliam]

I would like to see a continuation of the storyline because it was such a big part of Awakening and, to a lesser degree, DA2. It only makes sense to continue with the storyline. However, I do NOT want to see an awakened darkspawn as a companion. Perhaps as an agent, but definitely not in the party.

[TK514]

No. I think the amount we had is just enough. I prefer the Darkspawn, and the Archdemons, as a 'force of nature' type threat. There are more than enough intelligent factions in Thedas already to provide us with tension and drama for decades to come.

[GnusmasTHX]

I could go for smarter villains, that's about it.

[LinksOcarina]

I gives them more motivations outside of being pure evil. I can only say its a boon.

[The Spirit of Dance]

I say keep intelligent darkspawn as a rare occurrence since I kind of like the endless hordes of feral darkspawn and seeing an intelligent darkspawn every once in a while,

Modifié par supremebloodwolf, 27 décembre 2013 - 05:58 .

[Dutchess]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

The Messenger was awesome and should come back again. I love how he became Batman at the end of Awakening.

A Batman who makes the people he tries to help sick?

[Dabrikishaw]

I can take or leave it.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

As someone said, I want intelligent antagonists, not intelligent darkspawn.

The Darkspawn are like zombies, or predatory animals. Like a virus. They're doing what their nature rules for them to do.