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[Hellion Rex]

KainD wrote...

Threat300 wrote...

A pride demon with a big army of abominations & blood mages would take orders from a mortal?

I don't need him to take orders, I need his help, which is in his interests as well, darkspawn wouldn't leave him alone. 

Unchecked, I don't think darkspawn could even really harm a full blown pride demon.

[General TSAR]

Demons are malicious opportunistic predators....the pride demon's best interest is to feed on the panicked populace while the army is getting pushed back by the Darkspawn and fighting a civil war as well.

Why would it assist you?

Modifié par General TSAR, 31 décembre 2013 - 09:59 .

[KainD]

eluvianix wrote...

Unchecked, I don't think darkspawn could even really harm a full blown pride demon.

Oh they totally could. 

[Red Panda]

KainD wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Unchecked, I don't think darkspawn could even really harm a full blown pride demon.

Oh they totally could. 

Water can erode stone. I agree.

[KainD]

General TSAR wrote...

Demons are malicious opportunistic predators....the pride demon's best interest is to feed on the panicked populace while the army is getting pushed back by the Darkspawn and fighting a civil war as well.

Why would it assist you?

No, the best interest is to survive the taint, and not to return to the fade because of it. 
By all means, do away with your maliious plans afterwards. 

I assume that Uldred would only reason with the PC if PC was a mage and sympathised to an extent with his ideas, which I did. 

[General TSAR]

KainD wrote...
]By all means, do away with your maliious plans afterwards. 

You don't seem to understand the threat of Demons at all. 

I assume that Uldred would only reason with the PC if PC was a mage and sympathised to an extent with his ideas, which I did. 

Being turned into abominations is something worth sympathising with?

You off your rocker?

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

KainD wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Demons are malicious opportunistic predators....the pride demon's best interest is to feed on the panicked populace while the army is getting pushed back by the Darkspawn and fighting a civil war as well.

Why would it assist you?

No, the best interest is to survive the taint, and not to return to the fade because of it. 
By all means, do away with your maliious plans afterwards. 

I assume that Uldred would only reason with the PC if PC was a mage and sympathised to an extent with his ideas, which I did. 

Would likely turn a mage wardan that sympathised into another abomination for it's army.

[TheKomandorShepard]

daveliam wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

dude i don't know in what version of da 2 you played as far i renember you could count non-blood mages on fingers when i don't have anything against blood magic but it seems that 99/100 blood mages are insane psychopaths who are drunk with power. 

You can't actually think that because there were only a dozen mages milling about in that scene in the game that means that 99% of all mages are blood mages.  Yes, there were A LOT of blood mages in Kirkwall, I get it.  However, those mages were meant to indicate that there were non-blood mages who were rallying behind Hawke. 

They were also mostly identical character models.  Do you think that this means that they were identical octuplets?  Or do you recognize that it's a limitation of the game engine?  It's the same thing with that scene.  They couldn't have put dozens of mages there for obvious reasons.  It's just like in the scene with the Arishok at the end of Act 2.  There were a bunch of duplicate nobles there (all said, only about a dozen).  Do you think that this means that all of the nobles in Kirkwall were killed outside of 6 sets of identical twins?

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
I just love how many make excuse for cullen because he turn on meredith after they slaughtered mages and hawke wanted kick their ass it was like hey
A)lets go rape this person
B)ok
After rape
Policeman) hands on your head
B)oh you criminal sucm you deserve go to prison you monster! I will help you dear policeman this person
is mad!

I wasn't making excuses for Cullen.  He was wrong up to the point where he defected from Meredith.  I'm hoping that this means that his character won't use the absolutist thinking that leads to the slaughtering of innocents in the next story.  If he does, I won't be able to have him as a companion because I won't support those views.  That was my point.

And you scenario happens all the time.  Criminals turn on a former partner and they receive a lighter sentence.  That happens, whether you agree with it or not.

Letse see
non-blood mages
Bethany
This brat in tavern
few mages who we protect in mage ending (perhaps)

Blood mages (abomnations count as well)
Every other mage in game (something about 200 or more)
This is even acknowledge by characters in game like hawke mentioning that i would be nice see sane mage or not walk into abomnation at least for one week.
Here from neutral ending that was removed
So i can say this why because number of blood mages just crushes number non-blood mages.

2.Where he did it already he didn't stop meredith because she hurted mages only because she wanted fight with hawke and well guy knows that in mage ending when he ended with dirty pants and was too afraid to stop us.

Well i wasn't pointing that criminals sell other criminals just how that looks his "redemption" .

[KainD]

General TSAR wrote...
You don't seem to understand the threat of Demons at all. 

They are alive and an be reasoned with. They can be a threat, but they can also be allies. 

General TSAR wrote...
Being turned into abominations is something worth sympathising with?

You off your rocker?

It's a choice one can take. I don't exactly approve of forced abominations, I think the joining is better, but I don't care too much either. 

[General TSAR]

Actually Anders might technically be a blood Mage (bear with me for a moment), look up Martyr in his skill tree.

[KainD]

Threat300 wrote...
Would likely turn a mage wardan that sympathised into another abomination for it's army.

Would likely seak out an interesting demon to join with myself if I had a chance. 100% Tranquil proof, and other benefits. 

But it is my choice, and again, if reasoned with properly, Uldred would understand. 

[Invisible Man]

@TheKomandorShepard
why would you count abominations as blood mages? they can possess unwilling non-bloodmages too, and even templars.

Modifié par Invisible Man, 31 décembre 2013 - 10:16 .

[General TSAR]

KainD wrote...
They are alive and an be reasoned with. They can be a threat, but they can also be allies. 

WHEN?!

It's a choice one can take. I don't exactly approve of forced abominations, I think the joining is better, but I don't care too much either. 

........
Yeah nice choice when you're being shocked by a psychopath.

[AresKeith]

KainD wrote...

Threat300 wrote...
Would likely turn a mage wardan that sympathised into another abomination for it's army.

Would likely seak out an interesting demon to join with myself if I had a chance. 100% Tranquil proof, and other benefits. 

But it is my choice, and again, if reasoned with properly, Uldred would understand. 

Too bad you'll be turned into a monster

[daveliam]

Invisible Man wrote...

@TheKomandorShepard
why would you count abominations as blood mages? they can possess unwilling non-bloodmages too, and even templars.

Because it lends numbers to his argument.  And, to an absolutist, it wouldn't make a difference.  He's in favor of wiping out all mages anyway, so why would he make a distinction between abominations, blood  mages, or innocents.

It's the same with the line of argument that 99% of the mages are evil.  Well, given that we don't actually enter the Gallows before the rebellion, we don't have business with non-blood mage circle mages in the story.  That's why we don't see them.  In DA: O, we see the Circle Tower before Uldred takes over so we see how many non-blood mages are there.  In DA 2, we never see the Gallows in the same state.  We only deal with apostates and blood mages because of the story.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

[quote]General TSAR wrote...

[quote]KainD wrote...
They are alive and an be reasoned with. They can be a threat, but they can also be allies. 
[/quote]
WHEN?!
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This ^ demons ain't allies & i really doubt a pride demon could be controlled like lesser demons can.

Modifié par Threat300, 31 décembre 2013 - 10:30 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Invisible Man wrote...

@TheKomandorShepard
why would you count abominations as blood mages? they can possess unwilling non-bloodmages too, and even templars.

technically abomnation is monster controled by demon and exmage for other it is possessed mage but templars and non-mages don't count as abomnation. But my point is when i say about blood mage i have rather problem with insane cartoon evil guy because it seems that only few blood mages is somehow sane and avoid going nust. So ultimately i put blood mages with abomnations because both are insane and dangerous.

daveliam wrote...

Invisible Man wrote...

@TheKomandorShepard
why would you count abominations as blood mages? they can possess unwilling non-bloodmages too, and even templars.

Because
it lends numbers to his argument.  And, to an absolutist, it wouldn't
make a difference.  He's in favor of wiping out all mages anyway, so why
would he make a distinction between abominations, blood  mages, or
innocents.

It's the same with the line of argument that 99% of
the mages are evil.  Well, given that we don't actually enter the
Gallows before the rebellion, we don't have business with non-blood mage
circle mages in the story.  That's why we don't see them.  In DA: O, we
see the Circle Tower before Uldred takes over so we see how many
non-blood mages are there.  In DA 2, we never see the Gallows in the
same state.  We only deal with apostates and blood mages because of the
story.

I explained why i put them to one sack above.Yes you see guilty and innocent (well it lies in your morality who is who) and i see group of extremely dangerous peoples where majority is insane and corrupted and even those who aren't still are dangerous for world so ultimately every mage is one sack called "extremely dangerous and unstable" .

And as i said ultimately almost every mage turn out to be blood mage or abomnation (which mean insane and "evil") and gallows in the end proves that even their leader was nuts who help insane guy with necromancy.And still watch ending that i linked... 

[KainD]

General TSAR wrote...
WHEN?!

When you have a plan and treat them with respect. 

[General TSAR]

KainD wrote...

When you have a plan and treat them with respect. 

So you're talking out your bum? Good to know. 

[KainD]

General TSAR wrote...

So you're talking out your bum? Good to know. 

I am not talking out of my bum. I am using logic and the information I have available. 

[AresKeith]

KainD wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

So you're talking out your bum? Good to know. 

I am not talking out of my bum. I am using logic and the information I have available. 

Logic on demons? lulz

And what information?

[KainD]

AresKeith wrote...

Logic on demons? lulz

And what information?

Demons are not that different from people.

[TheKomandorShepard]

KainD wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Logic on demons? lulz

And what information?

Demons are not that different from people.

That same thing said merril before crying above keeper body and was screwd by demon ahaha:lol:

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 01 janvier 2014 - 12:30 .

[AresKeith]

KainD wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Logic on demons? lulz

And what information?

Demons are not that different from people.

Your funny Kain 

[Cainhurst Crow]

What, you mean you guys can't trick people into giving you their bodies?