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[KainD]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

What, you mean you guys can't trick people into giving you their bodies?

Ever friday night. 

[Axdinosaurx]

After the DA2 nonsense I'm content to let them just kill each other off. When my inquisition comes through any fighting mages and templars better get in line, or get the hell out of my way.

[Uccio]

Mages ftw, and even more. Tevinter needs to rule over the whole of Thedas, bring order and get rid of qunari. For good.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Ukki wrote...

Mages ftw, and even more. Tevinter needs to rule over the whole of Thedas, bring order and get rid of qunari. For good.

That wouldn't happen, the qunari would crush the imperium if they really wanted to, fenris even says that.

[KainD]

Threat300 wrote...

Ukki wrote...

Mages ftw, and even more. Tevinter needs to rule over the whole of Thedas, bring order and get rid of qunari. For good.

That wouldn't happen, the qunari would crush the imperium if they really wanted to, fenris even says that.

Need to convince the broken circles to join Tevinter. Slaves and land in return for millitary training and war against Qunari. 

[The Elder King]

You're assuming that the former Circle mages want to be part of the Tevinter system. Or that the magisters are somehow willing to share their power.

Modifié par hhh89, 01 janvier 2014 - 01:58 .

[KainD]

hhh89 wrote...

You're assuming that the former Circle mages want to be part of the Tevinter system. Or that the magisters are somehow willing to share their power.

Both need to see the light. It's the best life circle mages will ever have, and by sharring some power magisters will all gain a lot more in the long run. 

[The Elder King]

Considering that most mages in Tevinter still lives in Circles, If I were you I wouldn't get my hopes up.

[KainD]

hhh89 wrote...

Considering that most mages in Tevinter still lives in Circles, If I were you I wouldn't get my hopes up.

Those are different kind of circles. You can leave at any time, and you can have possessions outside. 

[AresKeith]

KainD wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

You're assuming that the former Circle mages want to be part of the Tevinter system. Or that the magisters are somehow willing to share their power.

Both need to see the light. It's the best life circle mages will ever have, and by sharring some power magisters will all gain a lot more in the long run. 

And you think a Mage and Templar middle ground/compromise is not possible 

[KainD]

AresKeith wrote...
And you think a Mage and Templar middle ground/compromise is not possible 

How does that relate?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

KainD wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
And you think a Mage and Templar middle ground/compromise is not possible 

How does that relate?

Because you are suggesting that the darwinistic Tevinter Imperium will be willing to share power with the other mages, and that the other mages will want to oppress people like they were oppressed. Neither group will want to do that, so it is more unlikely than the Mages and Templars finding a compromise.

That's my take from his comment, anyway.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 01 janvier 2014 - 02:18 .

[Texhnolyze101]

Threat300 wrote...

Ukki wrote...

Mages ftw, and even more. Tevinter needs to rule over the whole of Thedas, bring order and get rid of qunari. For good.

That wouldn't happen, the qunari would crush the imperium if they really wanted to, fenris even says that.

Fenris is a idiot and a FF character anything that comes out of his mouth should be taking with a grain of salt.

[KainD]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Because you are suggesting that the darwinistic Tevinter Imperium will be willing to share power with the other mages, and that the other mages will want to oppress people like they were oppressed. Neither group will want to do that, so it is more unlikely than the Mages and Templars finding a compromise.

That's my take from his comment, anyway.

Nah, it is a lot more likely. Mages should realize by now that it's either opress or be opressed, and then they would fit right in with the Tevinter folk. 
Tevinter should see the opportunity for themselves. It's like I said, helping out the mages innitially will make THEM, more rich and more powerful in the long run, it is an investement. 

[AresKeith]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Threat300 wrote...

Ukki wrote...

Mages ftw, and even more. Tevinter needs to rule over the whole of Thedas, bring order and get rid of qunari. For good.

That wouldn't happen, the qunari would crush the imperium if they really wanted to, fenris even says that.

Fenris is a idiot and a FF character anything that comes out of his mouth should be taking with a grain of salt.

Just like Anders 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Threat300 wrote...

Ukki wrote...

Mages ftw, and even more. Tevinter needs to rule over the whole of Thedas, bring order and get rid of qunari. For good.

That wouldn't happen, the qunari would crush the imperium if they really wanted to, fenris even says that.

Fenris is a idiot and a FF character anything that comes out of his mouth should be taking with a grain of salt.

I think you meant he is an idiot, not a idiot. If you're going to insult someone else's intelligence, it's best if you use the right words. 

[The Elder King]

KainD wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Considering that most mages in Tevinter still lives in Circles, If I were you I wouldn't get my hopes up.

Those are different kind of circles. You can leave at any time, and you can have possessions outside. 

I don't actually think they work that way, except for high-ranking mages in the Circles or mages from Noble families. Most mages are stuck in the Circles, from what I know.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Threat300 wrote...

Ukki wrote...

Mages ftw, and even more. Tevinter needs to rule over the whole of Thedas, bring order and get rid of qunari. For good.

That wouldn't happen, the qunari would crush the imperium if they really wanted to, fenris even says that.

Fenris is a idiot and a FF character anything that comes out of his mouth should be taking with a grain of salt.

The qunari battled every nation to a standstill, if they really wanted to destroy the imperium alone then they would.

[KainD]

hhh89 wrote...

I don't actually think they work that way, except for high-ranking mages in the Circles or mages from Noble families. Most mages are stuck in the Circles, from what I know.

It does. Not all mages are a part of the circle. Being in a circle is considered a privilage. 

[The Elder King]

KainD wrote...

It does. Not all mages are a part of the circle. Being in a circle is considered a privilage. 

It's not, actually, I found this post of Gaider: http://social.biowar...index/4546148/2
Mages can reach more power and freedom in Tevinter (and the ones born in Altus families already had), but they are still forced in the Circles, with a system and hierarchy similar to the White Circle system (according to the wikia, the FE role as well as the SE exist).  The main difference is that the mages watch over themselves, but they still use templars to control the Circle, and the mages aren't free to leave it when they wish. They have to rise in the hierarchy or become the apprentice of a magister.
I don't have doubts that mages for Altus families are free to live when they want, but the majority are still forced to leave there. And again, I doubt that the magisters and the Altus families are willing to share their power with the Circles mages. I find it very unlikely, and I doubt it's going this scenario is going to happen.

Modifié par hhh89, 01 janvier 2014 - 02:39 .

[KainD]

hhh89 wrote...

It's not, actually, I found this post of Gaider: http://social.biowar...index/4546148/2
Mages can reach more power and freedom in Tevinter (and the ones born in Altus families already had), but they are still forced in the Circles, with a system and hierarchy similar to the White Circle system (according to the wikia, the FE role as well as the SE exist).  The main difference is that the mages watch over themselves, but they still use templars to control the Circle, and the mages aren't free to leave it when they wish. They have to rise in the hierarchy or become the apprentice of a magister.
I don't have doubts that mages for Altus families are free to leave when they want, but the majority are still forced to leave there. And again, I doubt that the magisters and the Altus families are willing to share their power with the Circles mages. I find it very unlikely, and I doubt it's going this scenario is going to happen.

So I was talking specifically about the Altus group then? Will keep in mind in the future. 

I still think it is a time of opportunity though. Altus families should see it. 

Look at the sith from Star wars. They are ver selfish, yet happily accept converts all the time to bolster their ranks. And even though those converts and other young sith do not have the living conditions of a sith lord, they are still much better off than the avarage joe. 

Modifié par KainD, 01 janvier 2014 - 02:46 .

[KainD]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Fenris is a idiot and a FF character anything that comes out of his mouth should be taking with a grain of salt.

Heeey.. Don't hate on the beautiful men! 

[thetinyevil]

Happy New Year everyone.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Oh man... KainD is willing to destroy himself just to make meatsuit for a demon... I thought he was a mage supremacist, but it turns out he is just plain ol' stupid...

(And so far this new year is quite happy though I am hungover as al hell at the moment thetinyevil )

[Lotion Soronarr]

daveliam wrote...

Invisible Man wrote...

@TheKomandorShepard
why would you count abominations as blood mages? they can possess unwilling non-bloodmages too, and even templars.

Because it lends numbers to his argument.  And, to an absolutist, it wouldn't make a difference.  He's in favor of wiping out all mages anyway, so why would he make a distinction between abominations, blood  mages, or innocents.

It's the same with the line of argument that 99% of the mages are evil.  Well, given that we don't actually enter the Gallows before the rebellion, we don't have business with non-blood mage circle mages in the story.  That's why we don't see them.  In DA: O, we see the Circle Tower before Uldred takes over so we see how many non-blood mages are there.  In DA 2, we never see the Gallows in the same state.  We only deal with apostates and blood mages because of the story.

By that logic, you only seee abusive templars because of the story, and in reality 99% of them are good.
Which is actually closer to the truth.

We can all agree Bio made a huge mistake by making it rain bandits/demons/blood mages.
The Kirkwall Circel and the templars were both a mess.

Frankly, if someone thinkshhte Circle was corrupted and needed purging, he's got solid grounds to stand on. It is a valid conclusion.