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[KainD]

BTW, the fact that someone who is possessed wrecks havoc, is NOT a direct indication of demon taking over and annihilating the host soul. It might be in many possessed peoples own interest to do something ''evil'' towards the populace, when they get the power.

[Peer of the Empire]

OperatingWookie wrote...

I'm sick of templars and mages.


Clearly the only solution is to mandate a templar-mage breeding program. Perhaps that will make things more peaceful.

Templars do not want the curse

[draken-heart]

If I had to choose, I would choose to be a reaver and kill any in my way of the ultimate fight.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Jaison1986 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Wether you suport it or not, sometimes such things have to be done.

Sacrificing few for the many is not a choice people usually WANT to make, it's one they HAVE to make. You're not supposed to like it. I don't like it.

Yet, in Gregoirs shoes I'd do the same thing.

Gregoir and his templars were weak in my opnion, even thought he had dozens of templars at his disposal, he was too afraid to wipe out the abominations himself, and all small 4 man team got the job done for him.

Your logic is flawed. The player and his team can defeat any opponent because they are the palyer and his team, in a game designed so the player CAN win.
Just becaue a player can defeat a dragon 1-on-1 doesn't mean a dragon realisticly couldn't wipe out an entire army.

In other words, the players exploits are irrelevant and not a benchmark for anything, given they have the power of reload and instant health regeneration and shurring off of wounds that should kill a man 10 times over.

Lore-wise, abominations are incredibly dangerous. That is stated several times over. Gameplay-wise, they are wuses and it's something DG admited was a problem.

Gregoir was smart. He was not about to risk abominations getting out. Why should he? Better to keep them contained untill the reinforceemnts arrive than to charge in in a (futile) attempt to kill them all.
Oh, he wanted to, but he couldn't risk it. Especially when chances of any survivors were so low.

And about your argument, some mage supporters feel the same about
sacrificing few for the sake of many, but in their case the ones being
sacrificed are the templars, instead of the mages for the greater good.

Again, a flawed logic since mages are a minority in any case. Tempalrs are more numerous.
And mage freedom endangeres the rest of the populace.
Of course, many mages refuse to accept that.

[Lotion Soronarr]

PinkysPain wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Sacrificing few for the many is not a choice people usually WANT to make, it's one they HAVE to make. You're not supposed to like it. I don't like it.

In cRPGs I sacrifice the world for principle ... if I want misery I'll read the paper, in cRPGs I play like there is objective morality and a moral universe which in the end rewards good and punishes evil (no matter how the short term results might suggest otherwise, just got to have faith).

But isn't THAT evil?
Sacrificing everyone and everytihng for an idea that might not even be true?

Or alternatively, sacrificing everyone for a misguided conviction of "doing the right thing". Or to feel good?

Are your actions guided by your conviction in such absolute morals, or by your own avoidance of guilt, or feeling of pride (in which case it would be a very selfish thing).

Such utter unwiligness to compromise, EVER is not what I would call admirable, especially given what you're willing to sacrifice (the world)
After all, exceptions prove the rule. "Do not kill" has cases in which it's not considered immoral to kill. So how can one take such an absolutist stance in light of that?

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 03 janvier 2014 - 08:04 .

[Magdalena11]

All I can say is that I won't be playing MP because of the haters. A stand alone game with NPCs whose views are abhorrent I expect. I don't want anything to do with other PCs who act simply out of their own spite. They can make any justifications they like but I won't be listening.  They can troop around killing anyone they like in their own games but they won't exist in my world.  Listening to the same broken record over and over again is getting old.

Modifié par Magdalena11, 02 janvier 2014 - 11:28 .

[Peer of the Empire]

Can't wait to slaughter heretics and demons in MP

[Magdalena11]

MasterScribe wrote...

Which side pays more? Do either of them offer a decent reitrement plan?

Or is there an expectation that you could die at any moment, so that payment and future plans are unnecessary?

I choose neither.

The templars offer a retirement plan.  All the lyrium you like, forever.  You'll have to kill a few stray mages on the way whose only crime is existing but you'll be set.  Quaff up.

It's not good or bad.  It's right or wrong.  You won't cnange my mind.

[General TSAR]

KainD wrote...
BTW, the fact that someone who is possessed wrecks havoc, is NOT a direct indication of demon taking over and annihilating the host soul. It might be in many possessed peoples own interest to do something ''evil'' towards the populace, when they get the power.

Headcanon ftw.

Modifié par General TSAR, 03 janvier 2014 - 01:27 .

[KainD]

General TSAR wrote...

KainD wrote...
BTW, the fact that someone who is possessed wrecks havoc, is NOT a direct indication of demon taking over and annihilating the host soul. It might be in many possessed peoples own interest to do something ''evil'' towards the populace, when they get the power.

Headcanon ftw.

I'm not saying it's never the case, I'm saying it's not always. It's common sense, not headcanon. 

[AresKeith]

KainD wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

KainD wrote...
BTW, the fact that someone who is possessed wrecks havoc, is NOT a direct indication of demon taking over and annihilating the host soul. It might be in many possessed peoples own interest to do something ''evil'' towards the populace, when they get the power.

Headcanon ftw.

I'm not saying it's never the case, I'm saying it's not always. It's common sense, not headcanon. 

lol

[General TSAR]

AresKeith wrote...

lol

Indeed.

I'm still waiting for evidence of Demons serving as allies or defending people.

Modifié par General TSAR, 03 janvier 2014 - 01:38 .

[BlueMagitek]

To be fair, they do seem to be bound to places fairly often, serving to guard it, and then turning on the Mage or his allies at the first opportunity. I offer Warden's Keep and Honnoleth as evidence.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Why you guys feeding the troll?

By now it should be obvious he's fishing.

[Invisible Man]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Why you guys feeding the troll?

By now it should be obvious he's fishing.

I guess some people just like dropping explosives in the water. I guess people like me. lol

[Element Engine]

Jaronking wrote...

hipacrerte

[Red Panda]

General TSAR wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

lol

Indeed.

I'm still waiting for evidence of Demons serving as allies or defending people.

Uldred was pretty nice.

He was like Dragon Age's version of Santa Claus with his gifts.