How different are your Warden, Hawke, and Inquisitor from eachother?
#51
Posté 28 décembre 2013 - 09:25
#52
Posté 28 décembre 2013 - 11:40
#53
Posté 28 décembre 2013 - 11:59
#54
Posté 29 décembre 2013 - 05:08
I tend to develop chars with an "author" type mentality and I hope they don't alter any happenings in dao or da2 tht would undermine the importance of warden or hawkes stories and having them go Mia is one thing, because it is a wide scope of possibilities that don't belittle the warden or hawks story. If their story is done then I hope bioware means its done and they aren't altering it after the fact.
#55
Posté 29 décembre 2013 - 06:24
They also had their silly sides. Both were humorous when appropriate.
If I had to classify whether they were "helpful" or "aggresive", I'd say they were neutral. A good balence between the two, depending on the situation.
I imagine my main Inquisitor will be this way as well. Always willing to help those who are genuinely worth the effort, yet will take crap from nobody (murder knife anyone?). Also going to be a mage
Modifié par ElementalFury106, 29 décembre 2013 - 06:25 .
#56
Posté 29 décembre 2013 - 09:00
#57
Posté 30 décembre 2013 - 01:50
Human male mage. Practices bloodmagic and uses it to heal team members. He is a spirit healer too. Does some shady things, but is generally nice to people around him. Rather indifferent to many things. He was such a cool guy before being a warden, then he kind of went off the handle and into the tents of assassins and the caves of architects. He's used his 'kindness' to trick people into doing things for him before, but usually doesn't really intend to hurt anybody. He mostly helps people because, sure whatever. A bit qunari-like, i guess, unless you're one of his comrades. He was nicer in DA:A, though also more apathetic to the whole darkspawn situation.
He's more of a calm, serious guy who like some alone time and reading books, sitting outside by the fire or inside by the candle light and listening to people talk in the background while being in his own bubble, occasionally talking to the people around him.
Main Hawke:
Also a male mage, pretty much the same face. Kind of did start off where I ended. Also a spirit healer, but no blood mage. He actually disapproves a bit of blood magic and is very hostile to demons. He is nice to his companions and is of the kind/diplomatic personality and is much more social too. Will gladly help people, or so he'd say. He's more passionate about things I suppose, though he rather not pick sides with many other things.
Enjoys fighing and also got with an elf. Much happier guy, who likes being with friends and family in the city, at the bar, at the coast, exploring, adventuring, just much livelier. Gets more serious later on, but still remains open and kind, despite having lost some trust in the people of Kirkwall.
In short: Warden - Human blood mage+spirit healer. Doesn't care about things, only about some close friends and himself. Does things, because why not. Kind of reckless and introverted.
Hawke - Spirit healer. Cares about family, friends and acquaintances. Reckless, naive, kind and extroverted. Does things, because "why not?" and likes it. Smiles a lot more.
Possible main Inquisitor:
Possibly a male mage Qunari. Will be more like the warden, if possible, only a bit more caring, even if he doesn't clearly show it.
I really have no idea of knowing how my first/main inquisitor will turn out. The first character I play always just sort of becomes. That's how my first shepard became a tough paragade mama bear who likes guns and enjoys head butting krogans(and is totally in love with the mako).
#58
Posté 30 décembre 2013 - 02:35
My Hawke was sarcastic and felt a little more neutral morally. She had no qualms at all about helping Martin set up shop, gave Isabela the book, told Aveline where to go when the elves took justice into their own hands and ran to the qunari, lied to Ser Karras about the mages and most importantly spared Anders because she loved him, even though she was appalled that he murdered innocents and had it been anyone else she would have turned him over to the law, if there was any.
I don't know what decisions The Quiz is going to face but I'll probably just do what seems like the best idea at the time, in essence, rp'ing myself. I don't always take the high road and I certainly don't always make the wisest decisions so I can't wait to see how she shapes up. I'll probably muck it up so badly that I wind up starting a new game with a different character.
#59
Posté 30 décembre 2013 - 03:44
#60
Posté 30 décembre 2013 - 04:15
World 1 (The 'Badass Rogues')- Both are dual wielding rogues. Warden is a city elf while Hawke's mercenary background make them both rather similar. They both romanced an elf (Zevran/Fenris). The Warden had more tact and preferred to see the bigger picture (sparing Loghain for more resources, not trusting Morrigan's dark ritual and what it entailed) while Hawke had more vengeance, siding with the templars ruthlessly after losing Leandra. Still Hawke had a soft side for Bethany (as his sister) and spared Anders since he helped save Bethany's life (only to kill Anders later). Warden was neutral good while Hawke was more just neutral.
World 2 ('Warrior Women')- Both are human female warriors that wield two handed weapons. But that's where the similarities end. Cousland was a lawful good Warden who used diplomacy, willing to see multiple sides of an issue, and generally did what was right even if it meant sacrificing personal satisfaction (leaving Leliana to marry Alistair for the good of Ferelden). Hawke was a true mercenary who enjoyed benefiting off of others and taking what she could get. Very different personalities.
World 3 ('Mage Power')- Both are human male mages. Both were vested in the 'darker arts' of sorcery. Amell was more of a hedonistic type that relished in his personal power while Hawke was more about what benefited those close to him (including his Anders). Hawke was also aggressive and generally not a nice person while Amell was more manipulative.
World 4 ('Humans & Elves Unite in Love')- Warden is a female Dalish elf rogue (archer) and Hawke is a sarcastic male rogue (dual wielding). Both are chaotic good and more liberal-leaning. Both are against the Annulment and corrupt Templars (not the Chantry itself!) and very supportive of elven rights. Warden romanced Alistair while Hawke romanced Merrill, so both romances were human male/elf woman.
World 5 ('Holy Paladins')- Warden is a lawful good dwarven commoner who rose from literally nothing to a Paragon upon his death, sacrificing himself for the good of all. Very supportive of the Chantry and surface world, which gave him a new life and outlook. His faith is strengthened since he romanced Leliana, and sees the good in the Chantry and templars, even specializing (first dwarven templar???). Hawke was a diplomatic warrior who supported the templars to keep the law but despises unfair treatment of mages. She is also pro-Chantry. Married Sebastian.
World 6 (no real theme)- Warden was a Lawful Evil dwarven noble who did what it took to win. He wasn't about romance, catering to anyone's feelings, or even cared about the dilemmas of others. He wanted to end the Blight and return to Orzammar to his rightful place among the nobility. Hawke was a sarcastic female mage who rivalmanced Fenris. Unlike the more serious, apathetic Warden, Hawke was pretty much in her own little world and somewhat sociopathic (betraying Isabela for fun).
World 7 (no real theme)- Warden is a hedonistic female elven mage who romanced everything she could, from hitting on Cullen to flings with the Desire Demon, Cammen, Leliana, Zevran and Isabela. Very enveloped in personal power (blood magic!) but more chaotic neutral than outright evil. Hawke is a diplomatic male warrior who is on the side of good, sided with the templars after being forced to pick a side (and because he dislikes blood magic), saw the good in Isabela and encouraged her to turn a new leaf via rivalmance, and was a generally caring guy. I'd say they're pretty different.
#61
Posté 30 décembre 2013 - 04:31
#62
Posté 30 décembre 2013 - 05:00
But as for their alignments, it really depends on their own personality.
Sometimes it's based on each other's personalities, but my 2nd, 3rd and 4th Wardens were all evil, while my 1st was good... or was he neutral?
1st: either Neutral Good or Lawful Neutral (I think it was the latter)
2nd: Neutral Evil
3rd: Chaotic Evil
4th: Lawful Evil
Unfortunately, my Hawke's alignments were mostly based on the 3 set personalities.
Sarcastic Male: Lawful (or was it True?) Neutral
Aggressive: Lawful (or was it Neutral?) Evil
Diplomatic: Lawful Good
Sarcastic Female: True Neutral
I have pretty much no idea about the Inquisitor... it's still too early.
Overall, mine are fairly different, but my first 3 canon games use all 3 different classes (first warrior, then mage, then rogue), which don't change between PCs. However, my 4th canon game alternates between classes.
Modifié par Orian Tabris, 30 décembre 2013 - 05:07 .
#63
Posté 30 décembre 2013 - 05:11
My diplo Hawke was a thoughtful man who sometimes had to make hard decisions (think King Arthur lol); my sarcastic Hawke was a "I really could care less" kind of guy. (That Feynriel dialogue option was the BEST!)
I have three canon Inquisitors in mind... all elves because I have an elf problem >.> I think they'll be similar to my Wardens. Sort of like the characters the first game never really let me create.
#64
Posté 30 décembre 2013 - 06:28
Warden and Hawke were both rogues, and both had archery and dual-wield talents. Hawke was more balanced, though, whereas my Warden's talents were predominantly melee-oriented. Inquisitor, though, will be a warrior.
All my canon characters are chaotic-neutral. Warden Mahariel starts out very anti-human, to almost "evil" levels of hatred, but eventually comes to accept them. After begrudingly leaving the clan with Duncan for a cure to the blight poisoning, he was initially more interested in proving Dalish superiority to the humans than his official duty to the 'Wardens. Over time, however, he becomes more dedicated to the best interests of the nation of Fereldan, in hopes of using his position and reputation among them to benefit his people. He joined Morrigan through the Eluvian, suspecting she had something big planned, and wanting to be part of it. With each passing day bringing him close to the 30-year mark, though, he grows more and more preoccupied with where his people are headed and securing their place in Thedas. If there is indeed such a choice on the matter, it will be interesting to see if my Inquisitor turns out kind to them or not.
Hawke's first name is Ilda, meaning "battle-maiden," and it describes her aptly. She's tough as nails, strong and fierce. Ilda's main interest in the world is family and loved-ones. Without them, there's nothing. Having had an apostate mage father and sister, Ilda is sympathetic to mages, but never fully commits to helping them through the events of DA2, for fear of bringing the Templars and Knight-Commander Meredith's wrath down on her loved ones. However, when forced to pick a side at the end of the story, Hawke chooses the mages, mainly due to the emotional baggage she has attached to them (Anders and Bethany). Now, I imagine she's on the run from mage-hunters with sister Bethany -- just like old times -- and her beau.
(Damn but Anders is one lucky bastard in my DA canon).
The Inquisitor will be a warrior who lacks flashy combat talent, but his leadership a thing of legends, paving the road to victory by being a mighty field-general. Again, I generally go for a chaotic-neutral profile, and he will be no different.
Modifié par HYR 2.0, 30 décembre 2013 - 06:31 .
#65
Posté 30 décembre 2013 - 06:52
Not to burst your bubble, but it sounds like Ilda Hawke is actually somewhere between lawful neutral and lawful good. A chaotic neutral person would not care about loved ones. If you've played Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, you would know that both games consider chaotic neutral characters to be insane, loony and unpredictable. Your character has a moral system that only someone of lawful and/or good alignment would have. In fact, chaotic neutral characters often don't have a moral system at all.HYR 2.0 wrote...
All my canon characters are chaotic-neutral.
Hawke's first name is Ilda, meaning "battle-maiden," and it describes her aptly. She's tough as nails, strong and fierce. Ilda's main interest in the world is family and loved-ones. Without them, there's nothing. Having had an apostate mage father and sister, Ilda is sympathetic to mages, but never fully commits to helping them through the events of DA2, for fear of bringing the Templars and Knight-Commander Meredith's wrath down on her loved ones. However, when forced to pick a side at the end of the story, Hawke chooses the mages, mainly due to the emotional baggage she has attached to them (Anders and Bethany). Now, I imagine she's on the run from mage-hunters with sister Bethany -- just like old times -- and her beau.
Your Warden might be chaotic neutral, although,I reckon that he might be more true neutral or neutral good since he cares about his people, and care enough to do what he thought was best for Ferelden.
I think a good Dragon Age example of a chaotic neutral character would be Bartrand Tethras. He can be very rude and rough towards others, but he has things that matter to him (things that remind him of Orzammar), even though they may not mean as much to him as others, inspite of what you might expect (his family mightn't mean as much to him as treasure/money). Bartrand is highly strung - a lot more than his brother - and is difficult to get along with (through mere conversation or through bonds/like interests).
#66
Posté 30 décembre 2013 - 09:09
Orian Tabris wrote...
Not to burst your bubble, but it sounds like Ilda Hawke is actually somewhere between lawful neutral and lawful good. A chaotic neutral person would not care about loved ones. If you've played Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, you would know that both games consider chaotic neutral characters to be insane, loony and unpredictable. Your character has a moral system that only someone of lawful and/or good alignment would have. In fact, chaotic neutral characters often don't have a moral system at all.
Your Warden might be chaotic neutral, although,I reckon that he might be more true neutral or neutral good since he cares about his people, and care enough to do what he thought was best for Ferelden.
Their causes are worthy, sure, but their approach to them is not always nice nor particularly by-the-book.
Mahariel kills three likely-harmless human explorers not one minute into the story, because he didn't want them giving away the clan's location. He does it to protect his loved ones -- a good thing -- but it's far from a lawful or good act. Similarly questionable things: killing Connor, annuling the Circle of Magi, siding with the Baroness, burning Amaranthine, etc...
And Ilda's rivalry with Aveline is probably all the proof I need to dispel the notion that she is lawful, lol.
If you want specifics, though, she steals from a little boy trying to make ends meet and allies with Varnell/Petrice.
Modifié par HYR 2.0, 30 décembre 2013 - 09:12 .
#67
Posté 30 décembre 2013 - 09:35
I don't classify my protagonists in general terms like "good".Generic Guy wrote...
Given that each sort of picks up from where the other leaves off, are they the same personality wise (good warden leads to good Hawke and now good inquisitor), or do you throw in someone who would be antagonistic to the previous hero?
As for the question, personalities vary but within one DAO/DA2 sequence, protagonists will tend to make "compatible" decisions. Compatible, that is, in regard to certain themes of my personal philosophy, attitudes towards exploration of the unknown and the "other", knowledge, personal ascension and consequentialism. That connects decisions like "Save the Anvil", "Do the Dark Ritual", "Choose Bhelen" and the pro-mage options in DA2 in one sequence, while the other sequence would combine their opposites.
Of course, with about ten Wardens and six Hawkes things vary quite a bit, but this is the general tendency. I think my first two Inquisitors will follow the same pattern.
#68
Posté 30 décembre 2013 - 09:51
Modifié par Androme, 30 décembre 2013 - 09:52 .
#69
Posté 30 décembre 2013 - 10:14
My canon Warden. Circle mage male Human. Was happy left circle, but after what don't realy care about mages vs templars because think darkspawn is more important problem and all must be killed. Generally good help people. Don't have problem to make evil people suffer. Would sacrifice himself if there is no escape.
Hawke male mage. Sarcastic want fun in life. Morality same as warden exept wants freedom for mages Anders best friend, Was angry on Anders because he didn't told his plan. Even if i don't want kill every templar on spot still would helped Anders. I just want templars gtfo and let circle be school not prison.
Inquisitor first blind play through. rogue male Human. Morality same. Try to make my organization as much powerful as possible, because of my good nature try to help everyone, waste my money and fail. Not sure about mage vs templar. Depends on in game content, companions....
#70
Posté 30 décembre 2013 - 11:41
Aedan Cousland: Male, Human Noble, Warrior, specializations are Champion, Templar and Spirit Warrior, otherwise prefers to use sword and shield and general Warrior abilities.
My Warden is an intelligent man with an aloof and witty personality, but beneath that snarky, uncaring stoicism he deeply cares for his dead famliy and does try to achieve good rather than bad, and he views his newfound duty the Grey Wardens very seriously. He understands the threat the Darkspawn poses, and is not above usingmanipulation, deception and ruthless prioritizing to get there, but he also goes to great lenghts to avoid unecessary bloodshed and suffering. Among some things he did, was picking the ruthless but efficient Bhelen over Harrowmont and allowing the manipulative Anora to sit on the throne, but saves the Mages and destroys the Anvil of the Void.
Garrett Hawke: Male, Mage, specializations are Blood Mage and Force Mage, otherwise prefers to use elemental spells involving Ice and Fire.
My Champion is with a kind, careful and responsible man who loves and looks after what remains of his family (though some occasional snark seeps through when dealing with the madness that is Kirkwall), and he prefers to use diplomacy when solving problems. Being a long time resident of Kirkwall and later given the title of Champion, he strives to make the lives of the city's citizens better, though is reluctant to get involved in the schism between Templars and Mages, and is wary of their their increasing hostility. In the end, he, being a mage himself, feels forced to step in to protect the mages when Meredith calls for the Right of Anullment.
My Inquisitor... well, his story has yet to begin, but being a part of the Inquisition will probably affect him.
#71
Posté 30 décembre 2013 - 11:43
Don't know about inquisitor, though first playthrough will again likely be broadly following my ideas of what is right and wrong.
Modifié par Wulfram, 30 décembre 2013 - 11:44 .
#72
Posté 31 décembre 2013 - 12:28
I wasn't suggesting that Ilda Hawke is probably lawful, just that she is more likely to be between or including lawful good and lawful neutral. Like, she sounds like she'd be lawful good, neutral good, chaotic good or lawful neutral. If her siding with Petrice and Varnell are in direct conflict in what she believes in, then she is probably chaotic neutral, but if she had actual reasons for siding against Qunari or for siding with them, then she could easily be at least lawful neutral... even true neutral, but only if she lacks opinions on them.HYR 2.0 wrote...
Orian Tabris wrote...
Not to burst your bubble, but it sounds like Ilda Hawke is actually somewhere between lawful neutral and lawful good. A chaotic neutral person would not care about loved ones. If you've played Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, you would know that both games consider chaotic neutral characters to be insane, loony and unpredictable. Your character has a moral system that only someone of lawful and/or good alignment would have. In fact, chaotic neutral characters often don't have a moral system at all.
Your Warden might be chaotic neutral, although, I reckon that he might be more true neutral or neutral good since he cares about his people, and care enough to do what he thought was best for Ferelden.
And Ilda's rivalry with Aveline is probably all the proof I need to dispel the notion that she is lawful, lol.
If you want specifics, though, she steals from a little boy trying to make ends meet and allies with Varnell/Petrice.
#73
Posté 31 décembre 2013 - 12:50
#74
Posté 31 décembre 2013 - 01:11
#75
Posté 31 décembre 2013 - 02:54
My main Hawke: Religious but celibate (and a virgin as well as asexual). Very aggressive and even extreme in some situations. To the point and stoic but he would always help a person out in the end even if he was rude to them. He has a cold exterior but is a good guy inside and always took the righteous route even if he fit the "anti-hero" type more. He takes his religion seriously and lives solely to serve The Maker. He was pro-chantry and didn't take many risks with mages although he sympathized with a few. He also loves a good drink. My idea is that he either spent his spare time at the Chantry or drinking wine in solitude while reflecting philosophically on things. The fact he had a taste for drink is supported by the fact that people cheered his name when he entered The Hanged Man....
My main Inquisitor: He would probably be a combination of the two or maybe something totally different!
Personally I'm not sure my Warden and Hawke would get along although they wouldn't be enemies.





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