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[Veruin]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

So yes magic is curse because as i said provides a little and penalties are huge.

Magic itself is a gift.  A powerful one.

The demons are where the curse comes in.  Never knowing a moment's peace.  The constant whispers. Just terrible.

[thetinyevil]

Veruin wrote...

Willowhugger wrote...
It was probably something like, "Do you want me to be with you forever and ever?"

As for Connor, yeah, that's right.

Yea, I don't buy the idea that if you don't agree with a demon on anything, you're immune to possession.  I just don't believe that.


Ah, our residential brat has returned.  I wonder what idiocy  and blatant bias she will enlighten us to.

thetinyevil wrote...

There ARE children in the circle. They are, and I use this word very losely, raised in the circle and if an ROA is called for they are slaughter as mercilessly as the rest. Thought they are probably the easiest for the templars they are the least able to fight back and if one of these children actaually hides good enough not to get stabbed in the gut and left to bleed out then they get the brand.

If magic manifests around puberty, how are there children in the circle?

it manifest between the ages of 6 and 12 sometimes younger. Remember Anders talking about how most mages were taken from their families so young that they don't remember their families. If you were taken from you family at pubrity you would remember. Wynne was like 7 or 8 when her magic manifested. Actaully anyone over the age 10 manifesting magic seems to be unusual.

Modifié par thetinyevil, 23 janvier 2014 - 07:52 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

So people are just freely omitting facts thst happened in game, such as uldred not sending his full force down at Wynne because he was turning the rest of the captured circle into abominations, or Gregory stating his reasons for doing what he did as waiting for reinforcements to fully storm the tower against the demons, in order to make their fanfiction beliefs seem more valid.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 23 janvier 2014 - 07:52 .

[Veruin]

thetinyevil wrote...

it manifest between the ages of 6 and 12 sometimes younger. Remember Anders talking about how most mages were taken from their families so young that they don't remember their families. If you were taken from you family at pubrity you would remember. Wynne was like 7 or 8 when her magic manifested. Actaully anyone over the age 10 manifesting magic seems to be unusual.

I just remembered Wynne's case, so I'll retract what I said.

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So people are just freely omitting facts thst happened in game, such as uldred not sending his full force down at Wynne because he was turning the rest of the captured circle into abominations, or Gregory stating his reasons for doing what he did as waiting for reinforcements to fully storm the tower against the demons, in order to make their fanfiction beliefs seem more valid.

Were you expecting less?

Modifié par Veruin, 23 janvier 2014 - 07:53 .

[Lulupab]

Wynne is shown very weak and I don't like it. Spirits of Faith are stronger than spirits of Justice (according to wiki). Maybe it has to do with her old age, its the only reasonable explanation.

[Willowhugger]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So people are just freely omitting facts thst happened in game, such as uldred not sending his full force down at Wynne because he was turning the rest of the captured circle into abominations, or Gregory stating his reasons for doing what he did as waiting for reinforcements to fully storm the tower against the demons, in order to make their fanfiction beliefs seem more valid.

Next you'll be telling me my Warden couldn't persuade Anora to be Leliana curious or the Arishok and Meredith weren't secretly in love.

[ianvillan]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So people are just freely omitting facts thst happened in game, such as uldred not sending his full force down at Wynne because he was turning the rest of the captured circle into abominations, or Gregory stating his reasons for doing what he did as waiting for reinforcements to fully storm the tower against the demons, in order to make their fanfiction beliefs seem more valid.

He could of still waited for his full force while protecting Wynne who was the only one who was holding off the Abominations.

The Templars let Wynne fight an Abomination on her own, if she died the barrier would of fell and the demons would of escaped before the reinforcement arrived, if any did at all.

They also could of kept the children with them to protect them like they swore they would.

[Veruin]

Rassler wrote...

Wynne is shown very weak and I don't like it. Spirits of Faith are stronger than spirits of Justice (according to wiki). Maybe it has to do with her old age, its the only reasonable explanation.

Wynne outright states the spirit is getting weaker.  Using that special ability of hers weakens it further.

[Veruin]

ianvillan wrote...
He could of still waited for his full force while protecting Wynne who was the only one who was holding off the Abominations.

The Templars let Wynne fight an Abomination on her own, if she died the barrier would of fell and the demons would of escaped before the reinforcement arrived, if any did at all.

They also could of kept the children with them to protect them like they swore they would.

He can't protect Wynne because he doesn't know Wynne is alive....The bodies in the dormitory heavily indicate that the Templars already retreated before Wynne set up camp there.

Modifié par Veruin, 23 janvier 2014 - 07:56 .

[Hellion Rex]

Rassler wrote...

Wynne is shown very weak and I don't like it. Spirits of Faith are stronger than spirits of Justice (according to wiki). Maybe it has to do with her old age, its the only reasonable explanation.

Faith's power was used to bring a woman back from the dead, and sustained her life. And did you not read Asunder? She wiped the floor with a Pride demon within the Fade.

[Willowhugger]

Faith's power was used to bring a woman back from the dead, and sustained her life. And did you not read Asunder? She wiped the floor with a Pride demon within the Fade.

I think Wynne was getting weaker and weaker but that was due to overexertion. She's recovered by the time of Asunder.

[Cainhurst Crow]

ianvillan wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So people are just freely omitting facts thst happened in game, such as uldred not sending his full force down at Wynne because he was turning the rest of the captured circle into abominations, or Gregory stating his reasons for doing what he did as waiting for reinforcements to fully storm the tower against the demons, in order to make their fanfiction beliefs seem more valid.

He could of still waited for his full force while protecting Wynne who was the only one who was holding off the Abominations.

The Templars let Wynne fight an Abomination on her own, if she died the barrier would of fell and the demons would of escaped before the reinforcement arrived, if any did at all.

They also could of kept the children with them to protect them like they swore they would.

Your using hindsight that only you know about to try and condemn someones actions. Nobody knew wynne had erected a barrier,  in fact in gzme it sounds like she died in the initial attack and was then revived by the spirit of hope. Given those facts, gregor had no reason to believe anyone was still alive. And no one in wynnes group tried to contact them to let them know anyway, so where is the evidence gregor could have acted on to let him know there was a barrier or survivors to even defend?

[Hellion Rex]

Willowhugger wrote...

Faith's power was used to bring a woman back from the dead, and sustained her life. And did you not read Asunder? She wiped the floor with a Pride demon within the Fade.

I think Wynne was getting weaker and weaker but that was due to overexertion. She's recovered by the time of Asunder.

That being said, Faith seems to be on a different level than Justice. Faith, I'm pretty sure, seems to be the strongest spirit we have encountered thus far.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Veruin wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

So yes magic is curse because as i said provides a little and penalties are huge.

Magic itself is a gift.  A powerful one.

The demons are where the curse comes in.  Never knowing a moment's peace.  The constant whispers. Just terrible.

Yeah i had to miss that power when their ass was wiping floor with help of well pretty much every oponent that mage faced.If i have to count mage victories and when they lose well prety much i m sure that would be long win for their sucking...

perhaps without demon that would be gift but small one because their ass still is kicked by everything...

as i said damage caused by mages and their help well damage wins prerfect victory

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 23 janvier 2014 - 08:00 .

[ianvillan]

Veruin wrote...

ianvillan wrote...
He could of still waited for his full force while protecting Wynne who was the only one who was holding off the Abominations.

The Templars let Wynne fight an Abomination on her own, if she died the barrier would of fell and the demons would of escaped before the reinforcement arrived, if any did at all.

They also could of kept the children with them to protect them like they swore they would.

He can't protect Wynne because he doesn't know Wynne is alive....The bodies in the dormitory heavily indicate that the Templars already retreated before Wynne set up camp there.

I got the impression that he knew Wynne was alive but no one else past the barrier.

If he did not know Wynne was alive and holding off the demons and was hold up by the front door as a last stand he did a poor job of setting up a defence.

[dragonflight288]

Willowhugger wrote...

Faith's power was used to bring a woman back from the dead, and sustained her life. And did you not read Asunder? She wiped the floor with a Pride demon within the Fade.

I think Wynne was getting weaker and weaker but that was due to overexertion. She's recovered by the time of Asunder.

At least until she is no longer possessed by Faith as Faith goes from Wynne to Evangeline, and Wynne dies almost immediately. 

[Veruin]

ianvillan wrote...
If he did not know Wynne was alive and holding off the demons and was hold up by the front door as a last stand he did a poor job of setting up a defence.

Going by Petra's dialogue, that indicates that Wynne died and only brought back by the spirit.

"We were prepared for one or two abominations....not the horde that followed."

He also tells you outright it's not foolproof.  It's just to buy time for reinforcements so he can storm the tower.

Modifié par Veruin, 23 janvier 2014 - 08:06 .

[Lulupab]

eluvianix wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Wynne is shown very weak and I don't like it. Spirits of Faith are stronger than spirits of Justice (according to wiki). Maybe it has to do with her old age, its the only reasonable explanation.

Faith's power was used to bring a woman back from the dead, and sustained her life. And did you not read Asunder? She wiped the floor with a Pride demon within the Fade.

I was mainly talking about the game. If we are taking novels and stories into consideration Anders was like *snap* a dozen of Templars along with entire patrol of grey wardens turned into blood and bones. We don't see this happen in the game. Amusingly Anders's eyes glow and his skin shatters and blue lights came out of them front of meredtih, she only refers to him "explain yourself mage". LOL. Even the fact that he is possessed is not seen least of all him being powerful because of it

[thetinyevil]

eluvianix wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

There ARE children in the circle. They are, and I use this word very losely, raised in the circle and if an ROA is called for they are slaughter as mercilessly as the rest. Thought they are probably the easiest for the templars they are the least able to fight back and if one of these children actaually hides good enough not to get stabbed in the gut and left to bleed out then they get the brand.

I was talking about newborn babies, fresh from the womb, that have not shown a single sign of magical talent. If you had bothered to look at my post a few spots later, I had clarified what I was talking about.

You're right I didn't read all the way through the post to see your clarifiction you just pissed me off. Also did it ever occur to you that if there were babies in the circle that the mages would a hell of lot more careful with their spells and also give the mages an actual reason to want to stay in the circle you know to protect their children from the outside world.

Modifié par thetinyevil, 23 janvier 2014 - 08:09 .

[Willowhugger]

That being said, Faith seems to be on a different level than Justice. Faith, I'm pretty sure, seems to be the strongest spirit we have encountered thus far.

I'm not so sure given Wynne can die just as easily as any other character in DA:O.

[Hellion Rex]

Willowhugger wrote...

That being said, Faith seems to be on a different level than Justice. Faith, I'm pretty sure, seems to be the strongest spirit we have encountered thus far.

I'm not so sure given Wynne can die just as easily as any other character in DA:O.

Because Faith's power was being used to sustain Wynne's life and body when she would otherwise be dead.

Edit: We also have gameplay limitations as well that could prohibit Wynne's power from showing off.

Modifié par eluvianix, 23 janvier 2014 - 08:06 .

[Lulupab]

Willowhugger wrote...

That being said, Faith seems to be on a different level than Justice. Faith, I'm pretty sure, seems to be the strongest spirit we have encountered thus far.

I'm not so sure given Wynne can die just as easily as any other character in DA:O.

In general in order of power:

Spirits of Hope>Faith>Justice>Valor>Compassion. But their powers may vary individually. So yeah maybe the faith we know is weaker than other faiths, falling behind Justice spirits.

[Hellion Rex]

Rassler wrote...
In general in order of power:

Spirits of Hope>Faith>Justice>Valor>Compassion. But their powers may vary individually. So yeah maybe the faith we know is weaker than other faiths, falling behind Justice spirits.

But how do you rank Justice as being higher than Faith in this regard? I agree that individual spirits being different in terms of power, but I still think Faith is stronger than Justice/Vengeance.

[Lord Raijin]

cjones91 wrote...

Gotto love how people blame all mages for something only a few did.

In the mean time mundanes like Loghain Mac Tir, Knight-Commander Meredith and Knight-Commander Martel go without notice. It seems to me that mages are not the problem but the mundanes. You don't need to wield magic to be dangerous after all

[Veruin]

Lord Raijin wrote...
In the mean time mundanes like Loghain Mac Tir, Knight-Commander Meredith and Knight-Commander Martel go without notice. It seems to me that mages are not the problem but the mundanes. You don't need to wield magic to be dangerous after all

You still can't tell the difference between a man with an army following and a single mage who can do the same thing?