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[Br3admax]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Veruin wrote...

Muttonchops = evil/bad. That's like, one of the rules of facial hair.

Except for "Friendly muttonchops" which include a moustache element. 

This man speaks the truth. 

[sandalisthemaker]

Br3ad wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Veruin wrote...

Muttonchops = evil/bad. That's like, one of the rules of facial hair.

Except for "Friendly muttonchops" which include a moustache element. 

This man speaks the truth. 

I know my facial hair. 

[Rotward]

How did this turn into a discussion of facial hair, and is it wrong that I'm aroused right now?

[Hellion Rex]

This is the REAL Tranquil Solution:

[thetinyevil]

Oh my God that is so horrible! But I can't stop laughing!

[Veruin]

eluvianix wrote...

This is the REAL Tranquil Solution:

I don't know what's better.  Those pesky emotions or that Owain is the spokesperson.

"I find this poultice to be most effective."

Modifié par Veruin, 24 janvier 2014 - 04:24 .

[dragonflight288]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Thedosian reliance on magic is what is preventing technological advancements.

Do you have evidence to support this? I don't recall seeing any in the games that reliance on magic in and of itself keeps society from advancing technology wise, as most mages are kept locked up in Circle's their whole life.

And yes, I know they use magic for just about everything in the White Spire, using magic to light all the rooms and such, but outside the heart of the Chantry, and the country where the Circle's were founded there is next to no evidence of this being true. Other than Tevinter of course. 

[Magdalena11]

Mr.House wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

connor a mage child possessed crushed and killed everything in castle and village mages are weak abomnations not deal with it as uldred (pride demon side) mages are only hosts for truly powerfull creature abomnations.

Connor would've never been possessed by a demon if Loghain Mac Tir wasn't trying to murder his father and imprisoned the Templar that was perusing the wanted blood mage, Jowan.

Isolde would have gotten another tutor, and Connor would have still made contact with a demon. Stop blaming others because mages make mistake.

Yep, Connor would have got another tutor, and Loghain would have found another poisoner.  Connor would have tried to make a deal with the demon to save his father too.  Remember that children don't fully anticipate consequences for their actions until they're teenagers.  Connor was too young to realize how dangerous what he was doing was.

Isolde was mature enough to anticipate the consequences of keeping Connor essentially untrained.  If blame is to be assigned, I say she deserves it.  

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lord Raijin wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

connor a mage child possessed crushed and killed everything in castle and village mages are weak abomnations not deal with it as uldred (pride demon side) mages are only hosts for truly powerfull creature abomnations.

Connor would've never been possessed by a demon if Loghain Mac Tir wasn't trying to murder his father and imprisoned the Templar that was perusing the wanted blood mage, Jowan.

Yes because his father was sick so he wanted cure him dealing with demon so 1 excuse but now what if his father or mother or girlfriend were sick not because of loghain and he still would make a deal.Simple there will be always peoples like loghain and there always will be tragedies that peoples will have to face see Quention.Simple ultimately in life you have plenty excuses to do something and abomnation will have even more in thedas because it isn't very plesant place so doesn't matter how was abomnation created what matter that it was created and destruction caused by them. 

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Raijin, what are you doing? You can't reason with Kommandor on this issue.

you can when you have decent arguments not "oh mages are so poor they have right to turn into abomnation" as far i didn't heard much decen arguments from pro-mages just excuses which are not relevant because they will always there for every mage... 

Magdalena11 wrote...


Yep, Connor would have got
another tutor, and Loghain would have found another poisoner.  Connor
would have tried to make a deal with the demon to save his father too.
 Remember that children don't fully anticipate consequences for their
actions until they're teenagers.  Connor was too young to realize how
dangerous what he was doing was.

Isolde was mature enough to
anticipate the consequences of keeping Connor essentially untrained.  If
blame is to be assigned, I say she deserves it.  

Eee so what normal child can burn house at worst mage child can destroy castle and village without problems and create army of undead so if he destroyed world you would throw argument that he was child?Isolde was mooron as many peoples but you don't give moorons nuclear bomb.As i said there will be always excuses for mages to turn into abomnation and peoples and world will suffer serious consequences. Pretty much thats reason why im going for killing mages they cannot be free if world (humans and other races) wants safety and as proven they can't be controled proven by many magical incidents in da series hell even qunari who are control freaks can't control them one of their mages escaped and almost destroyed world bringing demons just to be evil.

dragonflight288 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Thedosian reliance on magic is what is preventing technological advancements.

Do
you have evidence to support this? I don't recall seeing any in the
games that reliance on magic in and of itself keeps society from
advancing technology wise, as most mages are kept locked up in Circle's
their whole life.

And yes, I know they use magic for just about
everything in the White Spire, using magic to light all the rooms and
such, but outside the heart of the Chantry, and the country where the
Circle's were founded there is next to no evidence of this being true.
Other than Tevinter of course. 

Disscusion between hawke and dwarf who want gunpowder from qunari
H"why even bother when you can use magic"
D"you humans have magic we dwarves don't"
Pretty much shows that peoples try satisfy their needs with magic what isn't smart because technology is much more secure than magic and can be used by everyone magic caused mostly only problems because it can't be controled.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 24 janvier 2014 - 06:57 .

[Lulupab]

Mr.House wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

connor a mage child possessed crushed and killed everything in castle and village mages are weak abomnations not deal with it as uldred (pride demon side) mages are only hosts for truly powerfull creature abomnations.

Connor would've never been possessed by a demon if Loghain Mac Tir wasn't trying to murder his father and imprisoned the Templar that was perusing the wanted blood mage, Jowan.

Isolde would have gotten another tutor, and Connor would have still made contact with a demon. Stop blaming others because mages make mistake.

So it was Isolde's fault by default as it was her duty to find an able mage or sent hm to circle. A child can't be blamed for ignorance especilly if his mother is to blame. Actually until now all childs taught to control their magic by an apostate have turned out fine. (abomination-wise)

Modifié par Rassler, 24 janvier 2014 - 06:59 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rassler wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

connor a mage child possessed crushed and killed everything in castle and village mages are weak abomnations not deal with it as uldred (pride demon side) mages are only hosts for truly powerfull creature abomnations.

Connor would've never been possessed by a demon if Loghain Mac Tir wasn't trying to murder his father and imprisoned the Templar that was perusing the wanted blood mage, Jowan.

Isolde would have gotten another tutor, and Connor would have still made contact with a demon. Stop blaming others because mages make mistake.

So it was Isolde's fault by default as it was her duty to find an able mage or sent hm to circle. A child can't be blamed for ignorance especilly if his mother is to blame. Actually until now all childs taught to control their magic by an apostate has turned out fine.

yes it was her duty ups it wasn't , i just love when peoples try enforce on others peoples what they want them to do with "duty".Im not saying that i can't be useful but hell some peoples think that is serious business. Anyway as is said duty or not connor still was abomnation no one cared why he did it and destruction caused by him don't care as well.You mean hawke yep i have to give you there but another apostate parent was flemeth and well do i have tell how she raised morrigan and that she ended as cruel ,selfish ultimate bi*** that makes even most ruthless companions as compassionate so "fine".And was there somewhere another examples because now i can't remember.
 

[Lulupab]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

connor a mage child possessed crushed and killed everything in castle and village mages are weak abomnations not deal with it as uldred (pride demon side) mages are only hosts for truly powerfull creature abomnations.

Connor would've never been possessed by a demon if Loghain Mac Tir wasn't trying to murder his father and imprisoned the Templar that was perusing the wanted blood mage, Jowan.

Isolde would have gotten another tutor, and Connor would have still made contact with a demon. Stop blaming others because mages make mistake.

So it was Isolde's fault by default as it was her duty to find an able mage or sent hm to circle. A child can't be blamed for ignorance especilly if his mother is to blame. Actually until now all childs taught to control their magic by an apostate has turned out fine.

yes it was her duty ups it wasn't , i just love when peoples try enforce on others peoples what they want them to do with "duty".Im not saying that i can't be useful but hell some peoples think that is serious business. Anyway as is said duty or not connor still was abomnation no one cared why he did it and destruction caused by him don't care as well.You mean hawke yep i have to give you there but another apostate parent was flemeth and well do i have tell how she raised morrigan and that she ended as cruel ,selfish ultimate bi*** that makes even most ruthless companions as compassionate so "fine".And was there somewhere another examples because now i can't remember.
 

I clearly said abomination-wise in which case Morrigan turned out fine. She is selfish and wants power but is not fooled by a demon. You must admit Isolde holds much of the blame not connor.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rassler wrote...


I clearly said abomination-wise in which case Morrigan turned out fine. She is selfish and wants power but is not fooled by a demon. You must admit Isolde holds much of the blame not connor.

To be honest you can blame everyone you want it is chain
blame jowan for not hidding his book or for not being good teacher
blame isolde because she didn't send him to circle
blame loghain for poisoning eamon or sending jowan
blame eamon for having children or didn't saw that connor is mage
blame maker because he didn't prevent that.
...

See you have plenty peoples to blame and you will have always peoples to blame for something. 
What matters it is effectiveness not excuses it was not isolde who destroyed castle it wasn't loghain and other peoples.It was connor and only him he did that can i blame him yes ,do i blame him well i don't care.All i know that he was one who started destroy everything around and become danger for the world.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

All this talk of making mages Tranquil...My mage Inquisitors going to end up capturing Templars and using them for meat shields and for blood magic rituals.

[Rotward]

The Sin wrote...

All this talk of making mages Tranquil...My mage Inquisitors going to end up capturing Templars and using them for meat shields and for blood magic rituals.

Why not just take the shields templars carry around, and go after easier marks, like elves? 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Rotward wrote...

The Sin wrote...

All this talk of making mages Tranquil...My mage Inquisitors going to end up capturing Templars and using them for meat shields and for blood magic rituals.

Why not just take the shields templars carry around, and go after easier marks, like elves? 

Nah, elves make good bows and nice looking armors. Templars consume lyrium unnecessarily to do the work of a non existent Maker.

[Lulupab]

Also Elves have higher chance of producing mage children. That's useful.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rassler wrote...

Also Elves have higher chance of producing mage children. That's useful.

if you consider unstable nukes running around as useful then yes but then ...

[Lord Raijin]

Veruin wrote...

Muttonchops = evil/bad. That's like, one of the rules of facial hair.

You're being prejudice. Not all muttonchops are evil and bad. Not all go out
of their way to rape a defendless young mage, and then threaten the Rite
of tranqulity if they tell anyone about it.

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
Cullen can't defeat the true power of mutton chops!

(phorto snipped)

Begone, foul demon! My Cullen is much more attractive than this evil creature.

I am no demon! Are you one of them, that you would call me such?

Mr.House wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

connor a mage child
possessed crushed and killed everything in castle and village mages are
weak abomnations not deal with it as uldred (pride demon side) mages
are only hosts for truly powerfull creature abomnations.

Connor
would've never been possessed by a demon if Loghain Mac Tir wasn't
trying to murder his father and imprisoned the Templar that was perusing
the wanted blood mage, Jowan.

Isolde would have gotten
another tutor, and Connor would have still made contact with a demon.
Stop blaming others because mages make mistake.

By
Chantry law Isolde and her husband was haboring an illegal apostate
which can lead them to their execution. Forget hiring a tutor the kid
should've went to the circle where he would've been able to get proper
training to wield his magic under proper Templar supervision.

Connor
was not at fault for getting posessed. It was his parents fault and not
him. How can you honestly blame a kid for getting possessed?

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 24 janvier 2014 - 08:38 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lord Raijin wrote...


By
Chantry law Isolde and her husband was haboring an illegal apostate
which can lead them to their execution. Forget hiring a tutor the kid
should've went to the circle where he would've been able to get proper
training to wield his magic under proper Templar supervision.

Connor
was not at fault for getting posessed. It was his parents fault and not
him. How can you honestly blame a kid for getting possessed?

No because if i renember he made deal with demon not islode... as he destroyed town and castle not isolde... and i can blame him but this is pointless because you can blame everyone you want... as i said what matters that no connor = no abomnation even if isolde was stupid and loghain corrupted.

[n7stormrunner]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Also Elves have higher chance of producing mage children. That's useful.

if you consider unstable nukes running around as useful then yes but then ...

another trope tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThenLetMeBeEvil


the answer to mages is clear. we all join a dragon cult they don't seem to have this problem... I wonder why

Modifié par n7stormrunner, 24 janvier 2014 - 08:48 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

n7stormrunner wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Also Elves have higher chance of producing mage children. That's useful.

if you consider unstable nukes running around as useful then yes but then ...

another trope tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThenLetMeBeEvil


the answer to mages is clear. we all join a dragon cult they don't seem to have this problem... I wonder why

excuse humans can have many to be "evil" and thats why laws exist to control peoples and enforce them to follow it but there is no law that can bond abomnation and you can't force it to follow it because abomnations are spreading destruction and b you can't force them because they are stronger than you...  

And evil or good doesn't matter demon can possess them morality hardly matters.After that we have unstoppable insane creature crushing everything on their way. 

[n7stormrunner]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

n7stormrunner wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Also Elves have higher chance of producing mage children. That's useful.

if you consider unstable nukes running around as useful then yes but then ...

another trope tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThenLetMeBeEvil


the answer to mages is clear. we all join a dragon cult they don't seem to have this problem... I wonder why

excuse humans can have many to be "evil" and thats why laws exist to control peoples and enforce them to follow it but there is no law that can bond abomnation and you can't force it to follow it because abomnations are spreading destruction and b you can't force them because they are stronger than you...  

And evil or good doesn't matter demon can possess them morality hardly matters.After that we have unstoppable insane creature crushing everything on their way. 

why wasn't  thedas totally destoryed by abominations long before the chantry and templars even existed?

what about about every one else who can be possessed? it's not only mages, in fact demons don't even need a host..

laws bind no one in the first place, force does. laws are threats. don't this or else.

force can and does bind demons and abominations. the kicker who are the ones who can do this the best? the mages of couse. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

n7stormrunner wrote...

why wasn't  thedas totally destoryed by abominations long before the chantry and templars even existed?

what about about every one else who can be possessed? it's not only mages, in fact demons don't even need a host..

laws bind no one in the first place, force does. laws are threats. don't this or else.

force can and does bind demons and abominations. the kicker who are the ones who can do this the best? the mages of couse. 

1.We don't rly know how thedas was before chantry and blights who knows maybe demons came later or tev tried control mages as they do now (still they hardly care if abomnation will start spread destruction now) i can see don't giving crap how much destruction mage as abomnation can bring. So i can't answer this question.

2.Yes everyone can be possessed even tranquil still we have matter when and how demon can do that.So we have mage he can be possessed at any moment of his life demon can use them as portal from fade to thedas as well mages gives demon more power to be unbound by anything.
Now we have non-mage he can be possessed only when demon manages cross veil and when he can do it when veil is torn or very weakened and what weakens veil?Well we have two ways by using magic what weakens veil very quickly as it is shown in asunder when mages do that when they fight with templars to point when they can hear demons tempting them and some of them fell , and another way is massacre but this is a slow very slow way to weaken veil and very rarely is reason why demon enter to thedas.So we have very hard way to get to thedas for demon or very easy way to get and that are mages.
   
3.As i said if you want laws to be followed you have to enfore this law and you can't enforce abomnation.It doesn't even work entirely with normal humans i don't even mention creautre that is much stronger and unstable.Not every try to force abomnation to your will ended horrible and another disaster caused by mages uldred, avernus and many other demons.  

[n7stormrunner]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

1.We don't rly know how thedas was before chantry and blights who knows maybe demons came later or tev tried control mages as they do now (still they hardly care if abomnation will start spread destruction now) i can see don't giving crap how much destruction mage as abomnation can bring. So i can't answer this question.

2.Yes everyone can be possessed even tranquil still we have matter when and how demon can do that.So we have mage he can be possessed at any moment of his life demon can use them as portal from fade to thedas as well mages gives demon more power to be unbound by anything.
Now we have non-mage he can be possessed only when demon manages cross veil and when he can do it when veil is torn or very weakened and what weakens veil?Well we have two ways by using magic what weakens veil very quickly as it is shown in asunder when mages do that when they fight with templars to point when they can hear demons tempting them and some of them fell , and another way is massacre but this is a slow very slow way to weaken veil and very rarely is reason why demon enter to thedas.So we have very hard way to get to thedas for demon or very easy way to get and that are mages.
   
3.As i said if you want laws to be followed you have to enfore this law and you can't enforce abomnation.It doesn't even work entirely with normal humans i don't even mention creautre that is much stronger and unstable.Not every try to force abomnation to your will ended horrible and another disaster caused by mages uldred, avernus and many other demons.  

demons can be traped the warden alone runs into almost a dozen, among them pride demons. templars can't force demons mages can, weakness is the sin that causes such disaster why are so many mages so weak I wonder?