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[TheKomandorShepard]

Pasquale1234 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Not rly demons can possess non-mage only when demon crossed veil

Which they are able to do.

Mundanes also enter the fade, but only while sleeping.

Every example you mentioned included demon/spirit being summoned by mage

False.

1.Show me one example non-mage possesed that way then we will able to talk as far only mages can be possesed by demons in fade as they have strong connection pretty much stronger connection easier demons can find you like in dreamer case non-mage never have to face nightmare with demons...

2.:? okey so lets go;)
Witherfang was summoned by zathrian creating by that werewolf curse
Sophia Dryden was possesed by demon that avernus summoned
Amalia was "possible" possesed by demon that wilhelm summoned
And wilmod was possesed because group of blood mages that forced him and summoned demon.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 24 janvier 2014 - 08:27 .

[AutumnWitch]

One thing that scares me about the Tranquil Solution is that if in reality there was a place like Thedas and a non-magical religious based faith came to power, the law would quickly be changed to make all Mages tranquil or put to death, as soon as they as discovered to have magic, even as soon as birth. One thing we have seen throughout our history is that unchecked organised religions do everything in their power to cull the competition.

As some as you know, my family and I practice a pagan religion and I am a Celtic Witch. As recently as the 1990's I have had real death threats just because I existed. They didn't care what type of person I was, they didn't care my family has been this way for centuries, they didn't care about the fact that I give to their charities or that I have never once tried to "recruit" someone to my faith but the very fact that I existed with that label made them want to hurt me.

I just can't imagine a place like Thedas where Mages can't easily hide who they are, they would be targets for sure, just because they existed. Sad.

[TheKomandorShepard]

AutumnWitch wrote...

One thing that scares me about the Tranquil Solution is that if in reality there was a place like Thedas and a non-magical religious based faith came to power, the law would quickly be changed to make all Mages tranquil or put to death, as soon as they as discovered to have magic, even as soon as birth. One thing we have seen throughout our history is that unchecked organised religions do everything in their power to cull the competition.

As some as you know, my family and I practice a pagan religion and I am a Celtic Witch. As recently as the 1990's I have had real death threats just because I existed. They didn't care what type of person I was, they didn't care my family has been this way for centuries, they didn't care about the fact that I give to their charities or that I have never once tried to "recruit" someone to my faith but the very fact that I existed with that label made them want to hurt me.

I just can't imagine a place like Thedas where Mages can't easily hide who they are, they would be targets for sure, just because they existed. Sad.

And point is? In our world every racial or religious prejudices were mostly fiction and unresonable hate , in mage cases this prejudices are real they can destroy your city and cause end of the world.Hate and prejudices save your life when you deal with mages as we saw almost every attempt to trust mages was fatal.So there is good reason why mages are targets...  

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 24 janvier 2014 - 08:54 .

[cjones91]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...

One thing that scares me about the Tranquil Solution is that if in reality there was a place like Thedas and a non-magical religious based faith came to power, the law would quickly be changed to make all Mages tranquil or put to death, as soon as they as discovered to have magic, even as soon as birth. One thing we have seen throughout our history is that unchecked organised religions do everything in their power to cull the competition.

As some as you know, my family and I practice a pagan religion and I am a Celtic Witch. As recently as the 1990's I have had real death threats just because I existed. They didn't care what type of person I was, they didn't care my family has been this way for centuries, they didn't care about the fact that I give to their charities or that I have never once tried to "recruit" someone to my faith but the very fact that I existed with that label made them want to hurt me.

I just can't imagine a place like Thedas where Mages can't easily hide who they are, they would be targets for sure, just because they existed. Sad.

And point is? In our world every racial or religious prejudices were mostly fiction and unresonable hate , in mage cases this prejudices are real they can destroy your city and cause end of the world.Hate and prejudices save your life when you deal with mages as we saw almost every attempt to trust mages was fatal.So there is good reason why mages are targets...  

Just because mages are dangerous does'nt mean the hatred and prejudice they are subjected to is right.Real life racists try to justify their racism by bringing statistics of African American crime to suggest black people are violent.

[The Baconer]

Lock confirmed.

[Pasquale1234]

AutumnWitch wrote...

One thing that scares me about the Tranquil Solution is that if in reality there was a place like Thedas and a non-magical religious based faith came to power, the law would quickly be changed to make all Mages tranquil or put to death, as soon as they as discovered to have magic, even as soon as birth. One thing we have seen throughout our history is that unchecked organised religions do everything in their power to cull the competition.

As some as you know, my family and I practice a pagan religion and I am a Celtic Witch. As recently as the 1990's I have had real death threats just because I existed. They didn't care what type of person I was, they didn't care my family has been this way for centuries, they didn't care about the fact that I give to their charities or that I have never once tried to "recruit" someone to my faith but the very fact that I existed with that label made them want to hurt me.

I just can't imagine a place like Thedas where Mages can't easily hide who they are, they would be targets for sure, just because they existed. Sad.

You have my sympathy.  I've always found it a bit scary that some people can find zero tolerance or sympathy toward those who are different, even when it involves a fictional group of people in a fictional world.

Let's just thank the goddess we don't have to deal with some of these posters IRL.  Take care.

[AutumnWitch]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...

One thing that scares me about the Tranquil Solution is that if in reality there was a place like Thedas and a non-magical religious based faith came to power, the law would quickly be changed to make all Mages tranquil or put to death, as soon as they as discovered to have magic, even as soon as birth. One thing we have seen throughout our history is that unchecked organised religions do everything in their power to cull the competition.

As some as you know, my family and I practice a pagan religion and I am a Celtic Witch. As recently as the 1990's I have had real death threats just because I existed. They didn't care what type of person I was, they didn't care my family has been this way for centuries, they didn't care about the fact that I give to their charities or that I have never once tried to "recruit" someone to my faith but the very fact that I existed with that label made them want to hurt me.

I just can't imagine a place like Thedas where Mages can't easily hide who they are, they would be targets for sure, just because they existed. Sad.

And point is? In our world every racial or religious prejudices were mostly fiction and unresonable hate , in mage cases this prejudices are real they can destroy your city and cause end of the world.Hate and prejudices save your life when you deal with mages as we saw almost every attempt to trust mages was fatal.So there is good reason why mages are targets...  

My point is just because someone is born some way doesn't make them bad. ANYONE can cause great suffering in Thesdas not just mages. Basically the Tranquil Solution which would be used to cull dangerous Mages would actually be used to cull all Mages regardless of them actually ever hurting someone but for political reasons. You are born a mage, you are dangerous, give them the brand. But in that same logic what if one of the Mages would have gone on to develop magic that could cure disease or save the world from another foreign invasion. The fact is now that all of Thedas would be under Qunari rule if it wasn't for Mages being able to combat their technology. Now if you think being under the Qun is a good ides then I guess its a good thing. I personally would rather die then join the Qun.

[TheKomandorShepard]

cjones91 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...

One thing that scares me about the Tranquil Solution is that if in reality there was a place like Thedas and a non-magical religious based faith came to power, the law would quickly be changed to make all Mages tranquil or put to death, as soon as they as discovered to have magic, even as soon as birth. One thing we have seen throughout our history is that unchecked organised religions do everything in their power to cull the competition.

As some as you know, my family and I practice a pagan religion and I am a Celtic Witch. As recently as the 1990's I have had real death threats just because I existed. They didn't care what type of person I was, they didn't care my family has been this way for centuries, they didn't care about the fact that I give to their charities or that I have never once tried to "recruit" someone to my faith but the very fact that I existed with that label made them want to hurt me.

I just can't imagine a place like Thedas where Mages can't easily hide who they are, they would be targets for sure, just because they existed. Sad.

And point is? In our world every racial or religious prejudices were mostly fiction and unresonable hate , in mage cases this prejudices are real they can destroy your city and cause end of the world.Hate and prejudices save your life when you deal with mages as we saw almost every attempt to trust mages was fatal.So there is good reason why mages are targets...  

Just because mages are dangerous does'nt mean the hatred and prejudice they are subjected to is right.Real life racists try to justify their racism by bringing statistics of African American crime to suggest black people are violent.

Does most black peoples turn into unstoppable demon? You know what because mages do and this isn't fiction this is fact as we saw it.And yes this "prejudices" are right because they turned to be real and you live longer if you have them when deal with mage than you don't have them see thrask and other fools that trusted mages.

[Pasquale1234]

Crap.

Just when I introduced something that I was hoping would generate some (non-TKS) on-topic discussion, the thread veers off toward locksville.

Anyone else want to talk about how the demon world might react to the existence of fewer mages?

Modifié par Pasquale1234, 24 janvier 2014 - 09:15 .

[Veruin]

Pasquale1234 wrote...
Anyone else want to talk about how the demon world might react to the existence of fewer mages?

I wouldn't think much would change.  

"Hey bro, you notice that lately, there are less aware mortals in here?"
"No."

[TheKomandorShepard]

AutumnWitch wrote...

My point is just because someone is born some way doesn't make them bad. ANYONE can cause great suffering in Thesdas not just mages. Basically the Tranquil Solution which would be used to cull dangerous Mages would actually be used to cull all Mages regardless of them actually ever hurting someone but for political reasons. You are born a mage, you are dangerous, give them the brand. But in that same logic what if one of the Mages would have gone on to develop magic that could cure disease or save the world from another foreign invasion. The fact is now that all of Thedas would be under Qunari rule if it wasn't for Mages being able to combat their technology. Now if you think being under the Qun is a good ides then I guess its a good thing. I personally would rather die then join the Qun.

In some cases yes that makes them bad i don't care about sexuality ,race or your religion (well as long it isn't harm for me) but mages are way to dangerous and harmful to deal with i would go for that same to any person that is as dangerous as mage.Not anyone can cause great suffering most poeples are danger to other peoples on individuals level when peoples who have army behind (and this is very rare case) are danger on national level at worst.When single mage can be danger from local to world scale and abomnations are insane so can't be deal with. 
You can compare hitler he caused great damage and suffering but still he was defeated and he never threatened world or human existence and you know what had army , was charismatic and was lucky to be successful and those are rare things among humans.

As far i see that damage caused by mages surpasses help they delivered and i still think that without mages qunari would be beaten but i don't want again explain reasons behind it.And we know that magic healing is very limited at least comparing to ther universes magic. 

[Pasquale1234]

Veruin wrote...

Pasquale1234 wrote...
Anyone else want to talk about how the demon world might react to the existence of fewer mages?

I wouldn't think much would change.  

"Hey bro, you notice that lately, there are less aware mortals in here?"
"No."

You know that demons can possess mundanes, too - right?

Do you think they would just quit looking for hosts?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Pasquale1234 wrote...

Crap.

Just when I introduced something that I was hoping would generate some (non-TKS) on-topic discussion, the thread veers off toward locksville.

Anyone else want to talk about how the demon world might react to the existence of fewer mages?

There is no need to be hostile just because i destroyed one of your aruments why mages shouldn't be killed or turned into zombie.As far your non-mages can be possesed in fade is only fanfiction. 

[Veruin]

Pasquale1234 wrote...

You know that demons can possess mundanes, too - right?

Do you think they would just quit looking for hosts?

How are they going to get into the mortal world?  Demons can't possess a mudane through the fade like a mage.  A sudden drop in mages isn't going to make the veil weaker in other areas and current areas don't seem to have much affect on abominations as people don't go there in the first place.

Of course they'd try to get hosts, but there's not much they can do if they can't get in the real world.  Demons are spiders, the fade their web.  Every night, mages walk into the web and by some luck, they make it out whole.

Modifié par Veruin, 24 janvier 2014 - 09:28 .

[SgtSteel91]

Pasquale1234 wrote...

Veruin wrote...

Pasquale1234 wrote...
Anyone else want to talk about how the demon world might react to the existence of fewer mages?

I wouldn't think much would change.  

"Hey bro, you notice that lately, there are less aware mortals in here?"
"No."

You know that demons can possess mundanes, too - right?

Do you think they would just quit looking for hosts?

It'd be harder to get a non-mage host since they arn't aware when dreaming. Maybe they would have to get creative and try to trick them?

I just don't see demons giving up in trying to get into the mortal realm if mages were to dissapear.

[Hellion Rex]

Veruin wrote...

Pasquale1234 wrote...

You know that demons can possess mundanes, too - right?

Do you think they would just quit looking for hosts?

How are they going to get into the mortal world?  Demons can't possess a mudane through the fade like a mage.  A sudden drop in mages isn't going to make the veil weaker in other areas and current areas don't seem to have much affect on abominations as people don't go there in the first place.

Of course they'd try to get hosts, but there's not much they can do if they can't get in the real world.  Demons are spiders, the fade their web.  Every night, mages walk into the web and by some luck, they make it out whole.

Technicality, I thought demons could technically possess anyone through the Fade, but it's just that mages shine brighter to them/they are much more desirable than a mundane.

[cjones91]

Veruin wrote...

Pasquale1234 wrote...

You know that demons can possess mundanes, too - right?

Do you think they would just quit looking for hosts?

How are they going to get into the mortal world?  Demons can't possess a mudane through the fade like a mage.  A sudden drop in mages isn't going to make the veil weaker in other areas and current areas don't seem to have much affect on abominations as people don't go there in the first place.

Of course they'd try to get hosts, but ther'es not much they can do if they can't get in the real world.  Demons are spiders, the fade their web.  Every night, mages walk into the web and by some luck, they make it out whole.

Easy, non mages wage war against each other+heavy bloodshed and violence=weakened Veil and easy demon access.Non mages aren't immune from possession and if mages were gone then the demons would target them instead.

[Veruin]

eluvianix wrote...
Technicality, I thought demons could technically possess anyone through the Fade, but it's just that mages shine brighter to them/they are much more desirable than a mundane.

I always thought mudanes were like tranquil, effectively invisible and undesirable.

cjones91 wrote...
Easy, non mages wage war against each other+heavy bloodshed and violence=weakened Veil and easy demon access.Non mages aren't immune from possession and if mages were gone then the demons would target them instead.

By this logic, Kirkwall should've been a cesspool of non mage abominations.

Even with a veil that sundered, we had one non mage coming into contact with a demon.

Modifié par Veruin, 24 janvier 2014 - 09:31 .

[SgtSteel91]

What about Spirit Warriors?

Are they nono-mages who can become a sort-of mage? Are they similar to Spirit Healers since, by my understanding, the method of obtaining that ability is similar. The person would court a benevolent Spirit and get it to led it's power; that could describe the method of becoming a Spirit Warrior or Healer, right?

Is the Spirit Warrior now in danger of being possessed by a Demon? I don't think so because their only connection to the Fade is through the benevolent Spirit they made a deal with.

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 24 janvier 2014 - 09:34 .

[Pasquale1234]

Veruin wrote...

Pasquale1234 wrote...

You know that demons can possess mundanes, too - right?

Do you think they would just quit looking for hosts?

How are they going to get into the mortal world?  Demons can't possess a mudane through the fade like a mage.  A sudden drop in mages isn't going to make the veil weaker in other areas and current areas don't seem to have much affect on abominations as people don't go there in the first place.

Did you take a look at my post a couple of pages ago?

Do we know for sure that demons can't possess mundanes in the fade?  The wiki indicates they seek to possess mages for the power boost, but I've not seen any evidence that they couldn't possess mundanes if they wanted to.

Also - there already exist quite a few areas where the veil is weak enough for them to pass...

[Hellion Rex]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

What about Spirit Warriors?

Are they nono-mages who can become a sort-of mage? Or maybe a Spirit Healer since, by my understanding, the method of obtaining that ability is similar. The person would court a benevolent Spirit and get it to led it's power; that could describe the method of becoming a Spirit Warrior or Healer right?

Is the Spirit Warrior now in danger of being possessed by a Demon? I don't think so because their only connection to the Fade is through the benevolent Spirit they made a deal with.

Well, in that regard, the only danger a Spirit Warrior would probably court is if the Spirit he/she dealt with became corrupted.

[Veruin]

SgtSteel91 wrote...
Is the Spirit Warrior now in danger of being possessed by a Demon? I don't think so because their only connection to the Fade is through the benevolent Spirit they made a deal with.

If you're already possessed, I don't think you can be possessed by another meaning, one visitor per mortal frame at a time.

[cjones91]

Veruin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Technicality, I thought demons could technically possess anyone through the Fade, but it's just that mages shine brighter to them/they are much more desirable than a mundane.

I always thought mudanes were like tranquil, effectively invisible and undesirable.

cjones91 wrote...
Easy, non mages wage war against each other+heavy bloodshed and violence=weakened Veil and easy demon access.Non mages aren't immune from possession and if mages were gone then the demons would target them instead.

By this logic, Kirkwall should've been a cesspool of non mage abominations.

Even with a veil that sundered, we had one non mage coming into contact with a demon.

That's because there was Circle already there and the demons did'nt bother going after anyone else.Had there not been no mages in Kirkwall period then the non mages would have been targeted instead.Demons always go after mages because they are more valuable target but that does'nt mean possessions will stop if all mages disappeared of the face of Thedas.

[The Baconer]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

What about Spirit Warriors?

Are they nono-mages who can become a sort-of mage? Are they similar to Spirit Healers since, by my understanding, the method of obtaining that ability is similar. The person would court a benevolent Spirit and get it to led it's power; that could describe the method of becoming a Spirit Warrior or Healer, right?

Is the Spirit Warrior now in danger of being possessed by a Demon? I don't think so because their only connection to the Fade is through the benevolent Spirit they made a deal with.

Spirit Warriors, according to what was written about them in Awakening, are not bound to a single spirit, and would be very much in danger of possession. Technically, their existance shouldn't even be possible outside of very specific circumstances (coincidentally, Veil tears).

[cjones91]

cjones91 wrote...

Veruin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Technicality, I thought demons could technically possess anyone through the Fade, but it's just that mages shine brighter to them/they are much more desirable than a mundane.

I always thought mudanes were like tranquil, effectively invisible and undesirable.

cjones91 wrote...
Easy, non mages wage war against each other+heavy bloodshed and violence=weakened Veil and easy demon access.Non mages aren't immune from possession and if mages were gone then the demons would target them instead.

By this logic, Kirkwall should've been a cesspool of non mage abominations.

Even with a veil that sundered, we had one non mage coming into contact with a demon.

That's because there was a Circle already there and the demons did'nt bother going after anyone else.Had there not been no mages in Kirkwall period then the non mages would have been targeted instead.Demons always go after mages because they are more valuable target but that does'nt mean possessions will stop if all mages disappeared of the face of Thedas.