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[superdeathdealer14]

eluvianix wrote...

@Medhia Nox, I'm still hoping for a dragon ruled thedas *insert evil laugh here*

I had to do it man, I had to.

[dragonflight288]

thetinyevil wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

I mean I'm pretty sure that Sloth Demon said they were powerful, that's why it wanted Hawke's help to get it ahead in the Demon Hierarchy, right?

Well that sort of ties into what we know of the demon hierarchy. The basic assumption that demons of desire and pride tend to be much stronger than the lower ones like hunger and rage.

If I remember correctly Sloth Demons are about in the middle but are lazy and perfer easy pray. Don't quote me on this though.

Some sloth demons, like the one in the mage origin, are very lazy. However, according to the Codex Entry on Sloth Demons, it's rather the opposite, and they are in fact one of the most subtle and insidious of the demons. 

Codex: Sloth Demons

"And I looked at the creature and it had become me. A veritable copy of my form, of my very mind, stared back at me as if from within a mirror. I thought surely that this was a trick, an illusion meant to put me off guard... but as I engaged the thing with my sword it fought me with maneuvers that I recognized. It parried as I parried; it swung as I swung. It spoke to me and said things that only I could know. I... I think this demon of sloth has no form or identity of its own. It is envy as much as sloth, I believe, and mine was not the first shape it stole that day."—An excerpt from a transcribed deposition of Tyrenus, templar-commander of Cumberland, 3:90 Towers.[/i]

The most difficult assumption for some who study demons to overcome is the notion that a sloth demon is, in and of itself, slothful. If that were so, it seems highly unlikely that any such demons would cross the Veil into our own world, or once here would fight to possess any creature with a will of its own—and we know both these things to not be the case. Certainly, some demons are lazy and complacent, but who knows? Perhaps these creatures even cultivate such a reputation.The truth is that demons of sloth are named so because this is the portion of the human psyche that they feed upon. Doubt. Apathy. Entropy. They seek to spread these things. The sloth demon hides in its forms, a master of shapes and disguises, always in the last place you look... and from its hiding place it spreads its influence. A community afflicted by a demon of sloth could soon become a dilapidated pit where injustices are allowed to pass without comment, and none of the residents could be aware that such a change has even taken place. The sloth demon weakens, tires, tears at the edges of consciousness and would much rather render its victim helpless than engage in a true conflict. Such creatures are best faced only with a great deal of will, and only with an eye to piercing their many disguises.

[thetinyevil]

dragonflight288 wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

Veruin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Do remember that pretty much everyone, except maybe Aveline (?????), attacks you.

Aveline is tempted with being reunited with Wesley

Varric is tempted with something about revenge on his brother or something.

Anders is lost with the sloth demon or never even attempted at all.

Fenris is tempted with the power to get revenge on TEvinter or something.  It's something power.

Merril is tempted with the powre to bring her people forward or something.

Isabella is tempted with her boats.

I think that's all of our companions.

Of course that brings up is it because our companions are incompetent or was it another poor attempt at black, black, black, no room for grey or white.

Anders turns on you if you make a deal with the Sloth demon for Fenyreil(sp?) and breaks up with you if you are in a relationship.

But actually gains friendship points if you explain that you had no intention of making a deal at all, and was simply using its knowledge with every intention of betraying it.

Oh I didn't know that. I never made the deal or pretended to. I was going on youtube videos and walkthroughs. Thanks for the clearifcation.

[dragonflight288]

Oh I didn't know that. I never made the deal or pretended to. I was going on youtube videos and walkthroughs. Thanks for the clearifcation.

No problem.

[thetinyevil]

dragonflight288 wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

I mean I'm pretty sure that Sloth Demon said they were powerful, that's why it wanted Hawke's help to get it ahead in the Demon Hierarchy, right?

Well that sort of ties into what we know of the demon hierarchy. The basic assumption that demons of desire and pride tend to be much stronger than the lower ones like hunger and rage.

If I remember correctly Sloth Demons are about in the middle but are lazy and perfer easy pray. Don't quote me on this though.

Some sloth demons, like the one in the mage origin, are very lazy. However, according to the Codex Entry on Sloth Demons, it's rather the opposite, and they are in fact one of the most subtle and insidious of the demons. 

Codex: Sloth Demons

"And I looked at the creature and it had become me. A veritable copy of my form, of my very mind, stared back at me as if from within a mirror. I thought surely that this was a trick, an illusion meant to put me off guard... but as I engaged the thing with my sword it fought me with maneuvers that I recognized. It parried as I parried; it swung as I swung. It spoke to me and said things that only I could know. I... I think this demon of sloth has no form or identity of its own. It is envy as much as sloth, I believe, and mine was not the first shape it stole that day."—An excerpt from a transcribed deposition of Tyrenus, templar-commander of Cumberland, 3:90 Towers.[/i]

[color=rgb(213, 212, 212)">The most difficult assumption for some who study ] to overcome is the notion that a sloth demon is, in and of itself, slothful. If that were so, it seems highly unlikely that any such demons would cross the [/color]Veil into our own world, or once here would fight to possess any creature with a will of its own—and we know both these things to not be the case. Certainly, some demons are lazy and complacent, but who knows? Perhaps these creatures even cultivate such a reputation.The truth is that demons of sloth are named so because this is the portion of the human psyche that they feed upon. Doubt. Apathy. Entropy. They seek to spread these things. The sloth demon hides in its forms, a master of shapes and disguises, always in the last place you look... and from its hiding place it spreads its influence. A community afflicted by a demon of sloth could soon become a dilapidated pit where injustices are allowed to pass without comment, and none of the residents could be aware that such a change has even taken place. The sloth demon weakens, tires, tears at the edges of consciousness and would much rather render its victim helpless than engage in a true conflict. Such creatures are best faced only with a great deal of will, and only with an eye to piercing their many disguises.

Thank you for the clearifcation. I just skimmed over the codex and got a very basic understanding.

[TK514]

thetinyevil wrote...

Anders turns on you if you make a deal with the Sloth demon for Fenyreil(sp?) and breaks up with you if you are in a relationship.

this is the reason I take Anders on this mission every time, now.  This, and the post mission "Did you even know if I would die?"  "Nope.  Didn't know, didn't care." conversation afterwards are worth a shocking amount of rivalry, if I remember correctly.

And are fun, to boot.

*waits*

[Hellion Rex]

TK514 wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

Anders turns on you if you make a deal with the Sloth demon for Fenyreil(sp?) and breaks up with you if you are in a relationship.

this is the reason I take Anders on this mission every time, now.  This, and the post mission "Did you even know if I would die?"  "Nope.  Didn't know, didn't care." conversation afterwards are worth a shocking amount of rivalry, if I remember correctly.

And are fun, to boot.

*waits*

..................................<_<

[Tremere]

The vanity of mundanes makes it impossible for them to get over the fact that they're ordinary... And thus, they justify any action that would destroy or debilitate those with abilities they lack. They never seem to grasp that they will never stop the creation of those who are "different". This is why there will never be an end to this conflict and as a Mage character, I will destroy anyone who tries to take my life or deny me the freedom to simply live as I am. Mundanes always think they have domain over normalcy... They don't... They won't.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

dragonflight288 wrote...


Some sloth demons, like the one in the mage origin, are very lazy. However, according to the Codex Entry on Sloth Demons, it's rather the opposite, and they are in fact one of the most subtle and insidious of the demons. 

I think that one might not even have been lazy. Given that there's implied to be a really dangerous demon behind the events of the Harrowing, and that greater demons tend to have a horde of lesser creatures who serve them, Sloth might just have been forbidden to do anything more than he did.

[Hellion Rex]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...


Some sloth demons, like the one in the mage origin, are very lazy. However, according to the Codex Entry on Sloth Demons, it's rather the opposite, and they are in fact one of the most subtle and insidious of the demons. 

I think that one might not even have been lazy. Given that there's implied to be a really dangerous demon behind the events of the Harrowing, and that greater demons tend to have a horde of lesser creatures who serve them, Sloth might just have been forbidden to do anything more than he did.

Mouse was the big danger though, wasn't he? And I do think that both Sloth and Mouse had to have been bound within the Fade for the Harrowing trial.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

eluvianix wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...


Some sloth demons, like the one in the mage origin, are very lazy. However, according to the Codex Entry on Sloth Demons, it's rather the opposite, and they are in fact one of the most subtle and insidious of the demons. 

I think that one might not even have been lazy. Given that there's implied to be a really dangerous demon behind the events of the Harrowing, and that greater demons tend to have a horde of lesser creatures who serve them, Sloth might just have been forbidden to do anything more than he did.

Mouse was the big danger though, wasn't he?

You didn't think I was talking about the Rage Demon?

[Hellion Rex]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...


Some sloth demons, like the one in the mage origin, are very lazy. However, according to the Codex Entry on Sloth Demons, it's rather the opposite, and they are in fact one of the most subtle and insidious of the demons. 

I think that one might not even have been lazy. Given that there's implied to be a really dangerous demon behind the events of the Harrowing, and that greater demons tend to have a horde of lesser creatures who serve them, Sloth might just have been forbidden to do anything more than he did.

Mouse was the big danger though, wasn't he?

You didn't think I was talking about the Rage Demon?

Well the way you spoke about "here's implied to be a really dangerous demon behind the events of the Harrowing", it sounded like it was some big mystery. It was just Mouse.

[Veruin]

eluvianix wrote...

Well the way you spoke about "here's implied to be a really dangerous demon behind the events of the Harrowing", it sounded like it was some big mystery. It was just Mouse.

Oh how I wish you could just "let him in", then get a cutscene of you watching yourself get cutdown by the templars.  Then a "Your journey ends...." 

[Hellion Rex]

Veruin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Well the way you spoke about "here's implied to be a really dangerous demon behind the events of the Harrowing", it sounded like it was some big mystery. It was just Mouse.

Oh how I wish you could just "let him in", then get a cutscene of you watching yourself get cutdown by the templars.  Then a "Your journey ends...." 

Friend, I think you might have some issues you need to work on.

Modifié par eluvianix, 26 janvier 2014 - 03:31 .

[Veruin]

eluvianix wrote...

Friend, I think you might have some issues you need to work on.

I just wish there were more ways to screw up and have consequences for it is all. 

I also would approve of Leliana/Wynne slaying you while you're busy dumping that blood in the Sacred Ashes.  I mean really, you can see me doing it right in front of you.

Modifié par Veruin, 26 janvier 2014 - 03:35 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

eluvianix wrote...


Well the way you spoke about "here's implied to be a really dangerous demon behind the events of the Harrowing", it sounded like it was some big mystery. It was just Mouse.

It's a mystery if you haven't done that Origin, isn't it? And he's only implied to be more terrifying than Rage or Sloth.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 26 janvier 2014 - 03:40 .

[SgtSteel91]

GabrielXL wrote...

The vanity of mundanes makes it impossible for them to get over the fact that they're ordinary... And thus, they justify any action that would destroy or debilitate those with abilities they lack. They never seem to grasp that they will never stop the creation of those who are "different". This is why there will never be an end to this conflict and as a Mage character, I will destroy anyone who tries to take my life or deny me the freedom to simply live as I am. Mundanes always think they have domain over normalcy... They don't... They won't.

Anders is that you?

[thetinyevil]

Veruin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Friend, I think you might have some issues you need to work on.

I just wish there were more ways to screw up and have consequences for it is all. 

I also would approve of Leliana/Wynne slaying you while you're busy dumping that blood in the Sacred Ashes.  I mean really, you can see me doing it right in front of you.

Doesn't Leliana attack you? Or do you she actually succeeds in killing you?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

thetinyevil wrote...

Veruin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Friend, I think you might have some issues you need to work on.

I just wish there were more ways to screw up and have consequences for it is all. 

I also would approve of Leliana/Wynne slaying you while you're busy dumping that blood in the Sacred Ashes.  I mean really, you can see me doing it right in front of you.

Doesn't Leliana attack you? Or do you she actually succeeds in killing you?

I think he means that Leiliana/Wynne should go for the kidney while he's in the process of doing so, rather than staring in shock for a few seconds. I don't think that I'm 100% in favor of that, since Leiliana/Wynne is absolutely not thinking killy thoughts at the moment, and is probably off guard enough that the Warden should manage it. I do, however, think they should recover from the shock enough to attack faster than they do, and that talking Leiliana down maybe shouldn't be an option. (Note that you already apparently need three points in Coercion to do so, and that it's simply not an option unless you've made her less devoted to being purely a good person.)

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 26 janvier 2014 - 05:14 .

[thetinyevil]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

Veruin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Friend, I think you might have some issues you need to work on.

I just wish there were more ways to screw up and have consequences for it is all. 

I also would approve of Leliana/Wynne slaying you while you're busy dumping that blood in the Sacred Ashes.  I mean really, you can see me doing it right in front of you.

Doesn't Leliana attack you? Or do you she actually succeeds in killing you?

I think he means that Leiliana/Wynne should go for the kidney while he's in the process of doing so, rather than staring in shock for a few seconds. I don't think that I'm 100% in favor of that, since Leiliana/Wynne is absolutely not thinking killy thoughts at the moment, and is probably off guard enough that the Warden should manage it. I do, however, think they should recover from the shock enough to attack faster than they do, and that talking Leiliana down maybe shouldn't be an option. (Note that you already apparently need three points in Coercion to do so, and that it's simply not an option unless you've made her less devoted to being purely a good person.)

Okay thanks for the clerifaction. I never destoryed the Ashes myself and only read about it. So I was really wondering. But I do agree with you they would be too shocked to stab the warden in the kidney to stop him/her. 

Modifié par thetinyevil, 26 janvier 2014 - 09:06 .

[Lord Raijin]

hhh89 wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Yeah,
Eamon didn't know. Isolde feared that Eamon would've sent his son to
the Circle. Which he did, and would've likely done before his
illness.

That fear alone cost many people their lives. She deserve to be sent to Aeonar for what she did to her city.

My
point was that Eamon didn't know anything because Isolde hided Connor's
nature, and he'd have sent him to the Circle if he knew. I agree that
Isolde is the main responsible of what happened in Redcliffe.

I understand your point 100% and I actually agree with it. Like I said
before I take back what wrote about Eamon. I was under the impression
that he knew his son was a mage, and didn't wanted to take him to the
Circle because of the stigmatization that comes with having a mage
child.

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
You are welcome . And again as i said it was connor who caused destruction isolde may be idiot and others part in it ultimately isolde or not connor would end that same way (even if isolde would give him to the circle ,circle was anyway slained by demons he would end as one of them).And again mage is unstable because peoples are unstable so human + possesion = unstable nuclar bomb for entire life add such excuses like depression , shock , be attacked. As we are proven circle mages aren't very good with dealing with demons as well becuase most of them ended as abomnations anyway.
So point is that isolde is just convenient excuse for pro-mages to try justify connor (heh as well many other mages) but truth is that there will be always excuse to end as abomnation and circles show it as well mages outside.

and with this we can see behavior of many mages psycho manic

Connor may have caused the destruction, but since he is a minor he cannot be held responsible for his actions. We already made some progress of agreeing that Isolde was an idiot for not taking her son to the Circle. It was her idiocy that caused the deaths of many. It was her idiocy that caused her son to become possessed by a demon because she choose not to take her son to the Circle.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 26 janvier 2014 - 08:56 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lord Raijin wrote...



Connor may have caused the destruction, but since he is a minor he cannot be held responsible for his actions. We already made some progress of agreeing that Isolde was an idiot for not taking her son to the Circle. It was her idiocy that caused the deaths of many. It was her idiocy that caused her son to become possessed by a demon because she choose not to take her son to the Circle.

So what he still caused all that mess remove connor there is no mess kill isolde mess still would be in case.Now you are using excuse that connor was abomnation because of isolde but how do you know he wouldn't end as one without isolde?As i said mage can have 10000 excuses like "i wanted power" , "i was too dumb" , "i wanted cure my girlfriend" . We have massive amount of mages that were trained and still ended as demon snack.No isolde no loghain can turn into abomnation only mage can.And again mages are unstable nuclear weapon circle , no circle their life is russian roulette but instead 1 bullet we have 4.And if you want aruge that in circle he would ended better see broken circle quest what i pointed...       

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 26 janvier 2014 - 09:27 .

[Pasquale1234]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Connor may have caused the destruction, but since he is a minor he cannot be held responsible for his actions. We already made some progress of agreeing that Isolde was an idiot for not taking her son to the Circle. It was her idiocy that caused the deaths of many. It was her idiocy that caused her son to become possessed by a demon because she choose not to take her son to the Circle.

Isolde created the conditions necessary for the fiasco by keeping Connor out of the circle.  She enabled it, but had no harmful intent.

Loghain with the help of Jowan poisoned Arl Eamon, setting up Connor's motive to accept the demon's deal.  Loghain and Jowan had harmful intent.

The demon caused the problems.  Demon is all about harmful intent.

In my game the Circle sent Morrigan to the fade to slay the demon.  That demon will never again threaten Thedas.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Pasquale1234 wrote...


Isolde created the conditions necessary for the fiasco by keeping Connor out of the circle.  She enabled it, but had no harmful intent.

Loghain with the help of Jowan poisoned Arl Eamon, setting up Connor's motive to accept the demon's deal.  Loghain and Jowan had harmful intent.

The demon caused the problems.  Demon is all about harmful intent.

In my game the Circle sent Morrigan to the fade to slay the demon.  That demon will never again threaten Thedas.

yes how dear unexpected events exist it seems almost like life...
oh crap my father died bum abomnation
oh crap i have depresion bum abomnation
oh crap someone want kill me bum abomnation
oh crap i lost my job bum abomnation
oh crap i want to be free bum abomnation

And how demon get to thedas and who invite him answer for 1000 points connor! yeah you win brutal and bitter truth

Adult trained mages weren't much better when they met demons so yes lets train him to become more powerful host for abomnation... oh future cities what may be burn by him well fu*** you i want save one precious mage no one can touch mage!

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 26 janvier 2014 - 09:36 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Pasquale1234 wrote...


Isolde created the conditions necessary for the fiasco by keeping Connor out of the circle.  She enabled it, but had no harmful intent.

Loghain with the help of Jowan poisoned Arl Eamon, setting up Connor's motive to accept the demon's deal.  Loghain and Jowan had harmful intent.

The demon caused the problems.  Demon is all about harmful intent.

In my game the Circle sent Morrigan to the fade to slay the demon.  That demon will never again threaten Thedas.

yes how dear unexpected events exist it seems almost like life...
oh crap my father died bum abomnation
oh crap i have depresion bum abomnation
oh crap someone want kill me bum abomnation
oh crap i lost my job bum abomnation
oh crap i want to be free bum abomnation

And how demon get to thedas and who invite him answer for 1000 points connor! yeah you win brutal and bitter truth

Adult trained mages weren't much better when they met demons so yes lets train him to become more powerful host for abomnation... oh future cities what may be burn by him well fu*** you i want save one precious mage no one can touch mage!

Bum an abomination? No thanks but I take it you are pro-circle right? Because you are right: it was Connor who invited the demon and who sought its power. Connor without power was a good host for the demon. The demon doesn't need a powerful mage. Any mage's body will do because as we saw, even in Connor's body, the demon was able to summon an army of undead.

The Circle is a necessity to teach mages and keep a watch on them.