Ukki wrote...
Mages should rule over mundanes with Iron Fist. Those peasants need to know their place.
For Tevinter Imperium!
Modifié par Osena109, 29 décembre 2013 - 08:35 .
Ukki wrote...
The solution is that mages should rule over mundanes with Iron Fist. Those peasants need to know their place.
For Tevinter Imperium!
Loghain was also a rich man in power. He isn't comparable to any bandit. A mage, on the other hand, doesn't seem to need riches nor power to be a loose cannon.Lord Raijin wrote...
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
I have yet to see a single bandit destroy an entire town on his own.
Loghain Mac Tir started a civil war, hired an escaped blood mage to kill Arl Eamon, allowed slavery to occur in his city, kidnapped a templar who was doing nothing more than to do what he was suppose to do, Betrayed his king and the Grey wardens, and had both leaders (King Cailan and Duncan) killed because he did not play his part in the battle. He frames the Grey wardens and put out a bounty against them.
It's safe to say that Logain is far worst than a single bandit, and he caused far more damage then just an entire town. Instead of working together with the Grey wardens he fought against them thus prolonged the Blight. That means more deaths and slaughter.
Loghain is not a mage but a mundane.
I seem to recall Feynriel favouring the idea of "sleep[ing] without dreaming, never hear[ing] a demon's whisper" as "a blessing as great as standing at the Maker's side". Clearly it isn't as simple as you're trying to make it seem. I can only assume that some people would in fact prefer life as a Tranquil to death.TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Elton John is dead wrote...
I think most of us templar supporters are joking. At least I am when I say "burn all mages!" and I actually want a circle system back but one that's fairer on mages.
And TheKomandorShepard, it's not sadism since it did serve a purpose. Maybe some of the templars in Kirkwall were sadists but then so were many of the free mages who were also blood mages.
It is sadism because it doesn't serve a purpose killing mages is less di*** quicker and less expensive than that solution so only reason behind this is deliver individual fate worse than dead so person who want to do that have serious issues.
Modifié par Kurremurre, 29 décembre 2013 - 10:11 .
Kurremurre wrote...
I seem to recall Feynriel favouring the idea of "sleep[ing] without dreaming, never hear[ing] a demon's whisper" as "a blessing as great as standing at the Maker's side". Clearly it isn't as simple as you're trying to make it seem. I can only assume that some people would in fact prefer life as a Tranquil to death.
Oh, okay! Yes, you're right! Two against one - clearly death is the ONLY viable choice and anything else is HORRID EVIL RAPE!TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Kurremurre wrote...
I seem to recall Feynriel favouring the idea of "sleep[ing] without dreaming, never hear[ing] a demon's whisper" as "a blessing as great as standing at the Maker's side". Clearly it isn't as simple as you're trying to make it seem. I can only assume that some people would in fact prefer life as a Tranquil to death.
Yeah 2 freed mage literally begged for death instead being zombie again and well being indoctrinated by chantry with their bull isn't helping some peoples prefer be tevinter slaves does that mean it is better fate?
Modifié par Kurremurre, 29 décembre 2013 - 10:33 .
I don't see why someone prefer eternal torment instead death unless person is screwd up that same for being empty husk if cured then they start beg for death so well...Kurremurre wrote...
Oh, okay! Yes, you're right! Two against one - clearly death is the ONLY viable choice and anything else is HORRID EVIL RAPE!TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Kurremurre wrote...
I seem to recall Feynriel favouring the idea of "sleep[ing] without dreaming, never hear[ing] a demon's whisper" as "a blessing as great as standing at the Maker's side". Clearly it isn't as simple as you're trying to make it seem. I can only assume that some people would in fact prefer life as a Tranquil to death.
Yeah 2 freed mage literally begged for death instead being zombie again and well being indoctrinated by chantry with their bull isn't helping some peoples prefer be tevinter slaves does that mean it is better fate?
Also, if someone does prefer slavery to death, who are you to say that they're better off dead? That sounds like a really dangerous attitude - in fact, it makes you sound like Sister Petrice.
And you know this is the case for everyone in every situation? Also, just because you can't see why someone might prefer it doesn't mean it doesn't happen or that it's somehow an invalid choice. I don't know what being Tranquil is like, and neither do you, so how can you call it "eternal torment"?TheKomandorShepard wrote...
I don't see why someone prefer eternal torment instead death unless person is screwd up that same for being empty husk if cured then they start beg for death so well...Kurremurre wrote...
Oh, okay! Yes, you're right! Two against one - clearly death is the ONLY viable choice and anything else is HORRID EVIL RAPE!TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Kurremurre wrote...
I seem to recall Feynriel favouring the idea of "sleep[ing] without dreaming, never hear[ing] a demon's whisper" as "a blessing as great as standing at the Maker's side". Clearly it isn't as simple as you're trying to make it seem. I can only assume that some people would in fact prefer life as a Tranquil to death.
Yeah 2 freed mage literally begged for death instead being zombie again and well being indoctrinated by chantry with their bull isn't helping some peoples prefer be tevinter slaves does that mean it is better fate?
Also, if someone does prefer slavery to death, who are you to say that they're better off dead? That sounds like a really dangerous attitude - in fact, it makes you sound like Sister Petrice.
Kurremurre wrote...
And you know this is the case for everyone in every situation? Also, just because you can't see why someone might prefer it doesn't mean it doesn't happen or that it's somehow an invalid choice. I don't know what being Tranquil is like, and neither do you, so how can you call it "eternal torment"?TheKomandorShepard wrote...
I don't see why someone prefer eternal torment instead death unless person is screwd up that same for being empty husk if cured then they start beg for death so well...Kurremurre wrote...
Oh, okay! Yes, you're right! Two against one - clearly death is the ONLY viable choice and anything else is HORRID EVIL RAPE!TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Kurremurre wrote...
I seem to recall Feynriel favouring the idea of "sleep[ing] without dreaming, never hear[ing] a demon's whisper" as "a blessing as great as standing at the Maker's side". Clearly it isn't as simple as you're trying to make it seem. I can only assume that some people would in fact prefer life as a Tranquil to death.
Yeah 2 freed mage literally begged for death instead being zombie again and well being indoctrinated by chantry with their bull isn't helping some peoples prefer be tevinter slaves does that mean it is better fate?
Also, if someone does prefer slavery to death, who are you to say that they're better off dead? That sounds like a really dangerous attitude - in fact, it makes you sound like Sister Petrice.
Again, you sound like Sister Petrice.
Again, how would you know everyone regards it a fate worse than death? How many Tranquils have we really seen become aware of the Fade again? Also, since when is death a pleasant picnic?! It's a "pick your poison" situation!TheKomandorShepard wrote...
if some one prefer fate worse than death this is screwd up and is invalid choice.Yes you don't know what being tranquil is like as far anyone cured for that begged for death so it isn't pleasant picnic...
Yes yes keep dreaming...
Kurremurre wrote...
Again, how would you know everyone regards it a fate worse than death? How many Tranquils have we really seen become aware of the Fade again? Also, since when is death a pleasant picnic?! It's a "pick your poison" situation!TheKomandorShepard wrote...
if some one prefer fate worse than death this is screwd up and is invalid choice.Yes you don't know what being tranquil is like as far anyone cured for that begged for death so it isn't pleasant picnic...
Yes yes keep dreaming...
Some people might say that living in the shame of being a cowardly deserter is a fate worse than death. Yet some people do opt for that decision - are they "screwd up", and is that an invalid choice?
And summped up that finely with " Also, since when is death a pleasant picnic?! " it seems that it is more plesant thatn being zombie.
Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 29 décembre 2013 - 11:01 .
Two people is about as good of a basis as nothing. How can you make such sweeping statements based on only two people?TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Kurremurre wrote...
Again, how would you know everyone regards it a fate worse than death? How many Tranquils have we really seen become aware of the Fade again? Also, since when is death a pleasant picnic?! It's a "pick your poison" situation!TheKomandorShepard wrote...
if some one prefer fate worse than death this is screwd up and is invalid choice.Yes you don't know what being tranquil is like as far anyone cured for that begged for death so it isn't pleasant picnic...
Yes yes keep dreaming...
Some people might say that living in the shame of being a cowardly deserter is a fate worse than death. Yet some people do opt for that decision - are they "screwd up", and is that an invalid choice?
2... and that they begged for death than being zombie again speak much of that.
LoL if you compare deserter to zombie fate well i don't think that i can have sensible discussion with you.
And yes saying that requires being brainwashed because when it comes about death and living normal person with go for living except situations where instinct takes over that.
Kurremurre wrote...
Two people is about as good of a basis as nothing. How can you make such sweeping statements based on only two people?TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Kurremurre wrote...
Again, how would you know everyone regards it a fate worse than death? How many Tranquils have we really seen become aware of the Fade again? Also, since when is death a pleasant picnic?! It's a "pick your poison" situation!TheKomandorShepard wrote...
if some one prefer fate worse than death this is screwd up and is invalid choice.Yes you don't know what being tranquil is like as far anyone cured for that begged for death so it isn't pleasant picnic...
Yes yes keep dreaming...
Some people might say that living in the shame of being a cowardly deserter is a fate worse than death. Yet some people do opt for that decision - are they "screwd up", and is that an invalid choice?
2... and that they begged for death than being zombie again speak much of that.
LoL if you compare deserter to zombie fate well i don't think that i can have sensible discussion with you.
And yes saying that requires being brainwashed because when it comes about death and living normal person with go for living except situations where instinct takes over that.
Also, I'm not the one saying the great shame of desertion is worse than death; it's people throughout history, primarily in other forms of society, who say that.
I cannot parse your last sentence.
Who was this, anyway? And again, how is he representative of every mage everywhere?TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Ehhh yes and one who choosed being zombie by himself and after being cured he stated that prefers death than this so well it is obvious...
Peoples said that they rule by god right and they would to sacrifice their lives for the partner first was fanatic or tool second was lying himself or partner...
Kurremurre wrote...
Who was this, anyway? And again, how is he representative of every mage everywhere?TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Ehhh yes and one who choosed being zombie by himself and after being cured he stated that prefers death than this so well it is obvious...
Peoples said that they rule by god right and they would to sacrifice their lives for the partner first was fanatic or tool second was lying himself or partner...
I cannot make out what you're trying to say with your second paragraph. Please rephrase it, preferably with punctuation.
So you say. I guess that must mean it's true, right? Yeah, Feynriel did seem like an insane lunatic, didn't he?TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Kurremurre wrote...
Who was this, anyway? And again, how is he representative of every mage everywhere?TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Ehhh yes and one who choosed being zombie by himself and after being cured he stated that prefers death than this so well it is obvious...
Peoples said that they rule by god right and they would to sacrifice their lives for the partner first was fanatic or tool second was lying himself or partner...
I cannot make out what you're trying to say with your second paragraph. Please rephrase it, preferably with punctuation.
Karl and Pharamond and as i said there is no sane person who wouldn't choose death instead fate worse than that.
forget about it...
Kurremurre wrote...
So you say. I guess that must mean it's true, right? Yeah, Feynriel did seem like an insane lunatic, didn't he?TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Kurremurre wrote...
Who was this, anyway? And again, how is he representative of every mage everywhere?TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Ehhh yes and one who choosed being zombie by himself and after being cured he stated that prefers death than this so well it is obvious...
Peoples said that they rule by god right and they would to sacrifice their lives for the partner first was fanatic or tool second was lying himself or partner...
I cannot make out what you're trying to say with your second paragraph. Please rephrase it, preferably with punctuation.
Karl and Pharamond and as i said there is no sane person who wouldn't choose death instead fate worse than that.
forget about it...
Also, I assume you mean Pharamond chose to be made Tranquil, then, because I don't remember that ever being said of Karl, and I haven't read Asunder.
I can only assume that your definition of "sane" is "at ease", then. If so, why is a decision taken while not at ease somehow invalid?TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Well as far i remember he was scared as fu*** in that moment and he can quickly snaps out if you tell him to put himself together then he back to normal so yes he was insane because of fear and panic.
Karl was forced by arlik...
Kurremurre wrote...
I can only assume that your definition of "sane" is "at ease", then. If so, why is a decision taken while not at ease somehow invalid?TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Well as far i remember he was scared as fu*** in that moment and he can quickly snaps out if you tell him to put himself together then he back to normal so yes he was insane because of fear and panic.
Karl was forced by arlik...
Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 29 décembre 2013 - 12:08 .
Fair enough, although he certainly does seem to calm down as he considers Tranquility when Hawke talks to him.TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Kurremurre wrote...
I can only assume that your definition of "sane" is "at ease", then. If so, why is a decision taken while not at ease somehow invalid?TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Well as far i remember he was scared as fu*** in that moment and he can quickly snaps out if you tell him to put himself together then he back to normal so yes he was insane because of fear and panic.
Karl was forced by arlik...
Well not entirely correct because anger and other emotion don't mean incorect decision but when you drunk with emotion to crazy level then you start make insane and bad decisions that same when you are tool for someone.
example is panic when you should be calm.
Kurremurre wrote...
Fair enough, although he certainly does seem to calm down as he considers Tranquility when Hawke talks to him.TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Kurremurre wrote...
I can only assume that your definition of "sane" is "at ease", then. If so, why is a decision taken while not at ease somehow invalid?TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Well as far i remember he was scared as fu*** in that moment and he can quickly snaps out if you tell him to put himself together then he back to normal so yes he was insane because of fear and panic.
Karl was forced by arlik...
Well not entirely correct because anger and other emotion don't mean incorect decision but when you drunk with emotion to crazy level then you start make insane and bad decisions that same when you are tool for someone.
example is panic when you should be calm.
Not sure what you mean by being a tool for someone.
Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 29 décembre 2013 - 12:22 .
Interesting. I actually don't remember ever getting that outcome.TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Well he isn't calm down because he only wants that if you tell him too quickly when you talk with demons that this is demon then he panic if you will do that slowly in the end he is calm and says that he can control it.
Yeah I remember now. Loghain worked ENTIRELY on his own, he certainly did not have THOUSANDS of followers and hencmen, all willing to do is bidding. Nope... Loghain Mac Tir singlehandedly fought the entirety of the Bannorns forces in the Ferelden Civil War, and won! Indeed Loghain Mac Tir is the single most powerful mundane to have ever existed..........................Lord Raijin wrote...
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
I have yet to see a single bandit destroy an entire town on his own.
Loghain Mac Tir started a civil war, hired an escaped blood mage to kill Arl Eamon, allowed slavery to occur in his city, kidnapped a templar who was doing nothing more than to do what he was suppose to do, Betrayed his king and the Grey wardens, and had both leaders (King Cailan and Duncan) killed because he did not play his part in the battle. He frames the Grey wardens and put out a bounty against them.
It's safe to say that Logain is far worst than a single bandit, and he caused far more damage then just an entire town. Instead of working together with the Grey wardens he fought against them thus prolonged the Blight. That means more deaths and slaughter.
Loghain is not a mage but a mundane.
joere wrote...
Why would Bioware offer such a choice? What would it gain them, other than pissing a lot of people off and screwing their franchise over?
Bioware designs stories that gets people emotionally invested and presents hard choices to them. That's how they make money.
Giving the player a choice which is close to genocide (anybody else noticed how close linguisticly "tranquil solution" is to "final solution"?) in order to make the world more boring and takes out both flavor and playability just for the sake of a shock effect is so obviously stupid that I can't imagine any rationale to do so.
Kurremurre wrote...
Interesting. I actually don't remember ever getting that outcome.TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Well
he isn't calm down because he only wants that if you tell him too
quickly when you talk with demons that this is demon then he panic if
you will do that slowly in the end he is calm and says that he can
control it.
That said, the fact remains that we have two examples to go on, which hardly represents all mages everywhere.
Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 29 décembre 2013 - 01:25 .
TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Elton John is dead wrote...
Well it's not mind rape either unless this is your definition of it.
That's the first time I've ever heard someone liken tranquility to rape. It's an evil thing but it's neither sadism nor sexual.
Well it is sadism that serves no other purpose than kick dogs something i will rape your wife and then burn her i could kill her immediately but nah im screwd up so i will choose option that gives more suffering with smiliar effect.
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