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[thetinyevil]

eluvianix wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...
Well if a demon could raise an army of undead through a young mage child it isn't to farfetched that a demon could give a mundane the ability to weild magic or magic like abilities. Also everyone save for dewaves are connected to the fade so they do have the potenital to be able to use magic of some form or another. Just a theory or crazy ramblings. Take your pick.

I'm not saying that mages couldn't be more or less be created by high level demons, but if demons could simply grant magic to mundanes, why even bother to possess mages when they could just possess anyone and give them magic?

If I remember correctly, but I could be wrong, mages are easier to find in the fade then mundane. They shine so are easy to find. Moths are attacted to bright lites not dull ones.

[Hellion Rex]

MisterJB wrote...

Well, assuming the ratio of prideful, lustful, angry, slothful, envious, insecure, depressed, desperate mages is the same as that of people with those flaws in our world....
Sounds like the perfect recipe for a ****storm if you ask me.

Long live the demons.

[TK514]

I'm not sure why this keeps coming up.

Normal people are not attractive to demons, and not always physically capable of accepting possession. Tarohne makes it clear that she has to force demons into her subjects, and not all of them survive the process.

This is not a problem with mages. If everyone were equally attractive, or even equally capable of being possessed by demons, Thedas would be a very different place than the setting we play in.

I'm also not sure why people keep holding Sophia Dryden up as an example of someone who was possessed by a Demon. She wasn't. Her corpse was reanimated by one, and that's basically no different for a spirit to possess than a tree or other inanimate object.

Lady Harriman is, I'll admit, an odd duck. We just don't have enough information about what went on there to draw any conclusion beyond "She used magic". Her daughter claims that it was a source of pride that there were no mages in the Harriman bloodline, but as pro-mages are quick to point out when it suits their argument, you can overhear a rumor from the drunks in the Hanged Man that more mages are being born all the time. If mages can be born to normal people regardless of family history, then there's the possibility Lady Harriman was always a mage. I doubt it, personally, preferring the theory that Harriman is another Orsino, that is "We needed more to this fight, so we made her a spellcaster", but since all we can do is speculate, one theory is as good as the next.

[Hellion Rex]

TK514 wrote...
Lady Harriman is, I'll admit, an odd duck. We just don't have enough information about what went on there to draw any conclusion beyond "She used magic". Her daughter claims that it was a source of pride that there were no mages in the Harriman bloodline, but as pro-mages are quick to point out when it suits their argument, you can overhear a rumor from the drunks in the Hanged Man that more mages are being born all the time. If mages can be born to normal people regardless of family history, then there's the possibility Lady Harriman was always a mage. I doubt it, personally, preferring the theory that Harriman is another Orsino, that is "We needed more to this fight, so we made her a spellcaster", but since all we can do is speculate, one theory is as good as the next.

Meh, I always thought Harimann was just the odd mage in a non mage family, which can happen, like in Meredith's family.

[Pasquale1234]

Hmmm... if being touched by a fade spirit can reverse tranquility, does that mean Anders / Justice could have restored Karl by touching him?  The mere presence of Justice brought the fade back to Karl for a moment.

It could also infer that demons who have crossed the veil could re-activate tranquils.

... unless the fade spirit has to still be in the fade in order for it to work.

eluvianix wrote...

Food for thought: If Tranquil do start becoming self-aware again what happens to those Tranquil who had been cut off for actual practice of blood magic and other misdeeds? They would get their powers back, no? And if those Tranquil had been previously serving the Chantry...

As I understand it, only mages who fail the harrowing or request it are given the RoT.  Known maleficar are executed.

Modifié par Pasquale1234, 30 janvier 2014 - 08:44 .

[TK514]

Pasquale1234 wrote...

Hmmm... if being touched by a fade spirit can reverse tranquility, does that mean Anders / Justice could have restored Karl by touching him?  The mere presence of Justice brought the fade back to Karl for a moment.

It could also infer that demons who have crossed the veil could re-activate tranquils.

... unless the fade spirit has to still be in the fade in order for it to work.

I'm pretty sure 'touched' in this context isn't meant to be literal.  Spiritual, rather than physical contact, if you will.

Though I'm totally on board for a scene where a demon lines up a bunch of Tranquil and then runs down the line, high-fiving them all.

[Lord Raijin]

thetinyevil wrote...

I have to wonder how many of the mages would have been weak willed if they weren't in a place that is meant to crush your will as well as people who tell you from childhood you are the incarnation of evil and why there are monster in the world and why your God turned away from everyone.

Demons prey on mages all the time no matter where they're at. Demons would do anything to get themselves a host to latch onto so they can survive in Thedas. It hasn't been exposed in the game, but David mention something on his Tumblr (I lost the URL when my hard drive crashed) that can verify this. If a mage will can be broken in the Circle then it's safe to say that they're demon food and prone to becoming an abomination. Uldred and First Enchanter Orsino demostrated my point.

Anders was sent to the Circle as a child and the Chantry nor the Templars failed at indocrinating him as he realize as he got older that what they were teaching him was full of crap. He woke up.

"If you want to survive, you must learn the rules and realize that sometimes, sacrifices are necessary."- First Enchanter Irving

[The Elder King]

@Anders: yup, Anders avoided the Chantry's indoctrination and was able to control Justice.....wait, didn't he lose control at least three times? How curious.
I'd like to know why you believe that Uldred was broken by the Circle, when he was a Libertarian and wanted to broke free from the Chantry's control. He wasn't 'indoctrinated' at all.

[Lulupab]

Uldred faced a Pride demon. Strongest demon known to man. No mage his killed one on his own, except those who had help from spirits. He probably tricked Uldred somehow, like asked him does he want to free all mages and he said yes and this enabled him to posses/control him.

[The Elder King]

Rassler wrote...

Uldred faced a Pride demon. Strongest demon known to man. No mage his killed one on his own, except those who had help from spirits. He probably tricked Uldred somehow, like asked him does he want to free all mages and he said yes and this enabled him to posses/control him.

A demon doesn't have to trick a mortal if it's already in the mortal realm, it just needs to overpower the mortal. Uldred summoned it because he thought he could control it. He couldn't. Pride probably forced the possession, considering what Niall said.

[Hellion Rex]

Rassler wrote...

Uldred faced a Pride demon. Strongest demon known to man. No mage his killed one on his own, except those who had help from spirits. He probably tricked Uldred somehow, like asked him does he want to free all mages and he said yes and this enabled him to posses/control him.

Ummm, you do know Uldred summoned the damn thing right? And that he got himself possessed by it because he screwed up.

Modifié par eluvianix, 30 janvier 2014 - 09:54 .

[Lord Raijin]

hhh89 wrote...

@Anders: yup, Anders avoided the Chantry's indoctrination and was able to control Justice.....wait, didn't he lose control at least three times? How curious.
I'd like to know why you believe that Uldred was broken by the Circle, when he was a Libertarian and wanted to broke free from the Chantry's control. He wasn't 'indoctrinated' at all.

Uldred proved to others that the Circle still needs to be in Chantry's control after he made a critical mistake of summoning a demon far  from his control, and wand up getting himself  possessed by that same demon. This is not the best way to gain sympathy and support.

I believe you've misread my post. I did not say that Uldred was indoctrinated. He is far from it.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 30 janvier 2014 - 10:05 .

[The Elder King]

@Lord Raijin: I agree that he didn't give a good reason to trust mages.
Fair enough about the misread, though I don't understand how Orsino and Ildred are related to the Chantry breaking the mages' wills and make them easy prey of demons.

[SgtSteel91]

Well normal people can be granted magical-like abilities. Remember the Spirit Warrior Specialization?

[Heimdall]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

Well normal people can be granted magical-like abilities. Remember the Spirit Warrior Specialization?

That's more borrowing I think.  And rather limited.

[Hellion Rex]

Lord Aesir wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

Well normal people can be granted magical-like abilities. Remember the Spirit Warrior Specialization?

That's more borrowing I think.  And rather limited.

Indeed. It allows for greater evasion via shifting through to the Fade partially, as well as some extra strength, plus a spiritual energy burst (?).

[SgtSteel91]

You know, I read in the wiki that Fenris displays some Spirit Warrior like abilities by using his lyrium tattoos, like increased evasion and a spirit burst. Seems like one could emulate a Spirit Warrior without dealing with a spirit.

Maybe the Inquisitor could get lyrium tattoos and become a Lyrium Warrior as a specialization?

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 30 janvier 2014 - 10:50 .

[Veruin]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

You know, I read in the wiki that Fenris displays some Spirit Warrior like abilities by using his lyrium tattoos, like increased evasion and a spirit burst. Seems like one could emulate a Spirit Warrior without dealing with a spirit.

Maybe the Inquisitor could get lyrium tattoos and become a Lyrium Warrior as a specialization?

Good luck affording/finding someone to do them on you.  We'll rule out the 99% chance or so of dying because PC special snowflake.

[Hellion Rex]

Veruin wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

You know, I read in the wiki that Fenris displays some Spirit Warrior like abilities by using his lyrium tattoos, like increased evasion and a spirit burst. Seems like one could emulate a Spirit Warrior without dealing with a spirit.

Maybe the Inquisitor could get lyrium tattoos and become a Lyrium Warrior as a specialization?

Good luck affording/finding someone to do them on you.  We'll rule out the 99% chance or so of dying because PC special snowflake.

Indeed. It would take a small fortune to gather that much lyrium, much less find someone who can implant it in you.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

eluvianix wrote...

Veruin wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

You know, I read in the wiki that Fenris displays some Spirit Warrior like abilities by using his lyrium tattoos, like increased evasion and a spirit burst. Seems like one could emulate a Spirit Warrior without dealing with a spirit.

Maybe the Inquisitor could get lyrium tattoos and become a Lyrium Warrior as a specialization?

Good luck affording/finding someone to do them on you.  We'll rule out the 99% chance or so of dying because PC special snowflake.

Indeed. It would take a small fortune to gather that much lyrium, much less find someone who can implant it in you.

The money is a non-issue. My EM Warden didn't have a series of castles under her control, and she spent a small fortune on a dagger. Finding someone is more of an issue, but then finding rare and potentially legendary resources is also a thing that PCs can be counted on for.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 30 janvier 2014 - 11:56 .

[SgtSteel91]

eluvianix wrote...

Veruin wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

You know, I read in the wiki that Fenris displays some Spirit Warrior like abilities by using his lyrium tattoos, like increased evasion and a spirit burst. Seems like one could emulate a Spirit Warrior without dealing with a spirit.

Maybe the Inquisitor could get lyrium tattoos and become a Lyrium Warrior as a specialization?

Good luck affording/finding someone to do them on you.  We'll rule out the 99% chance or so of dying because PC special snowflake.

Indeed. It would take a small fortune to gather that much lyrium, much less find someone who can implant it in you.

The Warden just happened upon an Elven Phylactery containing the soul of an Elven Warrior who could teach him the lost art of Arcane Warrior. I wouldn't count out the miracle of finding someone who could implant lyrium. And if someone like Hawke could get enough lyrium to let him use Templar abilites for almost 6 years, I can't imagine an organzation like the Inquisition not finding enough to make some tattoos for one guy.

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 31 janvier 2014 - 12:24 .

[Lord Raijin]

hhh89 wrote...

@Lord Raijin: I agree that he didn't give a good reason to trust mages.
Fair
enough about the misread, though I don't understand how Orsino and
Ildred are related to the Chantry breaking the mages' wills and make
them easy prey of demons.

Orsino was suppose to be the leder of the Circle mages, and yet he cracked up during pressure, and turned into a giant size harvester endangering everyone around him. As for Uldred... look at what happen to the Circle when things don't go his way.

eluvianix wrote...

Veruin wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

You know, I read in the wiki that Fenris displays some Spirit Warrior like abilities by using his lyrium tattoos, like increased evasion and a spirit burst. Seems like one could emulate a Spirit Warrior without dealing with a spirit.

Maybe the Inquisitor could get lyrium tattoos and become a Lyrium Warrior as a specialization?

Good luck affording/finding someone to do them on you.  We'll rule out the 99% chance or so of dying because PC special snowflake.

Indeed. It would take a small fortune to gather that much lyrium, much less find someone who can implant it in you.

Danarius  If you let let him live and let him take Fenris.

[Dave of Canada]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Orsino was suppose to be the leder of the Circle mages, and yet he cracked up during pressure, and turned into a giant size harvester endangering everyone around him. As for Uldred... look at what happen to the Circle when things don't go his way.

This sounds more like a justification to keep them in the Circles than out.

[BlueMagitek]

Tranquil solution? Terrible idea. If for no other reason than it puts Southern Thedas at a disadvantage against both the Qunari & Tevinter.

[The Elder King]

@Lord Raijin: Uldred didn't broke down. He was arrogant to think that he could control a pride demon. The Chantry teached to not summon demons, so I don't see how the Chantry's teachings are relevant to Uldred's actions.
As for Orsino, seeing dozens of your friends, of the people you want to protect dying could have this effect. Of course he wasn't as mentally strong as Irving, since the latter was subjective to the same view plus torture, but I don't see how this as anything to do with the Chantry's teachings. Orsino wasn't broken by the Chantry's dogmas. He fought and fought against Meredith, and wasn't indoctrinated. How is his mental breakdown relevant to the Chantry's teachings? There's not a secure method to prevent those situations, unless you train mages to be emotionless robots.