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[The Elder King]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Orsino was suppose to be the leder of the Circle mages, and yet he cracked up during pressure, and turned into a giant size harvester endangering everyone around him. As for Uldred... look at what happen to the Circle when things don't go his way.

This sounds more like a justification to keep them in the Circles than out.

He probably thinks the reason they acted in that way is due to the Chantry's teachings. Otherwise I don't understand his point.

[Hellion Rex]

hhh89 wrote...

@Lord Raijin: Uldred didn't broke down. He was arrogant to think that he could control a pride demon.

Oh, the irony.

[The Elder King]

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@Lord Raijin: Uldred didn't broke down. He was arrogant to think that he could control a pride demon.

Oh, the irony.

Yeah. The perfect victim for a Pride demon.

[TheKomandorShepard]

dragonflight288 wrote...

So simply being weak is a death sentence?

Right, and considering all the veil tears that would be in place, the demons aren't going to be targeting just mages as they're wandering around Thedas and can come across any mundane. 

We have seen Sophia Dryden possessed. We saw Lady Herriman make a deal with a Desire Demon and gained blood magic abilities as a result, we have seen possessed templars and so on. With all these demons wandering around, the mages are no longer the only ones in the most danger. 

For this plan to work, you would now have to kill all weak or possibly dangerous mundanes as well as all mages. So in essence, the majority of all life. 

No ,being danger dominant species in thedas is death sentence and please don't comapre that to human vs human.

Yes 1 single fact demons still want mages and they can get them even without torned veil another fact is that possesed mage is far more dangerous than possesed peasant as pretty much you get nothing more than normal undead from redcliff.   

And not rly just remove non-mage from torn veil and problem temporarily solved then fix veil problem solved.Justin lovin when pro-mages try use "if you want kill mages you have to kill non-mages as well".There is no reason for that for non-mage demons in fade aren't danger and common situation is unique because someone is trying mess with veil (mage or demon as only they can do that) so demons cross veil. So pretty much mage did it or possesed mage did it if mages killed they won't do that again and problem never happened.

Damn when peoples understand that non-mages and mages aren't equal and stop making excuse that if bob is nuclear bomb and can explode in any minute and i want to kill him because of that i have to kill steve because he can accidentally find nuclear bomb (even if this is almost impossible).  

[KaiserShep]

Heh, "normal undead".

[TheKomandorShepard]

KaiserShep wrote...

Heh, "normal undead".

Well we have different kinds of undead in da and that i was talking about are just revived corpses and are most common kind of undead not only in da setting but also in fiction.

[KaiserShep]

Don't forget some of the other awful things that seem to pop out of nowhere in Dragon Age. I wouldn't want to run into a revenant or arcane horror in a dark alley.

[TheKomandorShepard]

KaiserShep wrote...

Don't forget some of the other awful things that seem to pop out of nowhere in Dragon Age. I wouldn't want to run into a revenant or arcane horror in a dark alley.

Yes but they are much more rarer than normal type of undead and require pride or desire demon.Without mages their number will be much much lower.  

[thetinyevil]

Not likely since undead can be found where ever there is a tear in the veil. And tears are not just caused by mages and nor do they seem all that rare.

Modifié par thetinyevil, 31 janvier 2014 - 04:48 .

[The Baconer]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Yes but they are much more rarer than normal type of undead and require pride or desire demon.Without mages their number will be much much lower.  

Yes, it only makes sense that killing all the mages in the world would reduce the number of possessed corpses.

[TheKomandorShepard]

thetinyevil wrote...

Not likely since undead can be found where ever there is a tear in the veil. And tears are not just caused by mages and nor do they seem all that rare.

Well there is only way to tear veil without mages , wars etc and considering how many and how brutal were wars in thedas veil was never torn by that only at worst weakened it is very slow way to weaken veil.Magic in other hand weaken veil very quickly weakened veil as it is shown in asunder where mages weakened veil to point that they could hear demons tempting them.

Examples with very weak veil in series are only where magic was used as kirkwall or brecilian forest.

The Baconer wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Yes
but they are much more rarer than normal type of undead and require
pride or desire demon.Without mages their number will be much much
lower.  

Yes, it only makes sense that killing all the mages in the world would reduce the number of possessed corpses.

In 98-99 % demons that are in thedas are mages fault lest see ways that demon can cross veil
1)Possession demon can posses mage so he ends controling mage body ,as we saw this is most common way for demons to cross veil.
2)Demon is summoned by blood mage this method is common as well
3.Demon manages cross veil because veil is weak and mostly it is caused by mages no non-mages.

So yep without mages only chance for demons to cross veil will be weaken veil or torn veil.

 

[The Baconer]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

So yep without mages only chance for demons to cross veil will be weaken veil or torn veil.

Yes, it only makes sense that killing large amounts of people would not affect the veil in any way.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The Baconer wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

So yep without mages only chance for demons to cross veil will be weaken veil or torn veil.

Yes, it only makes sense that killing large amounts of people would not affect the veil in any way.

It is thedas... genocides and wars are on a daily basis and still veil wasn't torned...

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 31 janvier 2014 - 05:16 .

[The Baconer]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

It is thedas... genocides and wars are on a daily basis and still veil wasn't torned...

Yes, genocides happen literally every day in Thedas, and the veil has never been sundered, especially not in orphanages.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The Baconer wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

It is thedas... genocides and wars are on a daily basis and still veil wasn't torned...

Yes, genocides happen literally every day in Thedas, and the veil has never been sundered, especially not in orphanages.

Lets see genocides alienages (and it is only in ferelden ) and reason before (it wasn't long before rather) was because one elf killed someone in docks and another was caused by arl howe , we have another if you asked for city elf boon.Crap in orlais that must be tradition.We have RoA and killing mages by templars is rather common when mage break law or is too weak.Warden can kill dales and mages.Riots in orlais are common as well... 
If you mean orphanage in alienage it was very brutal (arl howe and his peoples) and not first genocide and there was only 1 demon crossed veil.

And well massacre in highever and caused by darkspawn pretty much we have a lot of them in dao and as well in other da products.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 31 janvier 2014 - 05:31 .

[The Baconer]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Lets see genocides alienages (and it is only in ferelden ) and reason before (it wasn't long before rather) was because one elf killed someone in docks and another was caused by arl howe , we have another if you asked for city elf boon.Crap in orlais that must be tradition.We have RoA and killing mages by templars is rather common when mage break law or is too weak.Warden can kill dales and mages.Riots in orlais are common as well... 
If you mean orphanage in alienage it was very brutal (arl howe and his peoples) and not first genocide and there was only 1 demon crossed veil.

And well massacre in highever and caused by darkspawn pretty much we have a lot of them in dao and as well in other da products.

Yes, elves are known to reproduce quickly, which is necessary to sustain the alianage populations, what with the daily genocides. Oh, I mean riots, daily riots. Riot is synonymous with genocide. And war has never been known to sunder the veil, which is why Marnas Pell is such a great place to live. Since there are no mages among the dwarves, demons have never been known to appear in the Deep Roads.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The Baconer wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Lets see genocides alienages (and it is only in ferelden ) and reason before (it wasn't long before rather) was because one elf killed someone in docks and another was caused by arl howe , we have another if you asked for city elf boon.Crap in orlais that must be tradition.We have RoA and killing mages by templars is rather common when mage break law or is too weak.Warden can kill dales and mages.Riots in orlais are common as well... 
If you mean orphanage in alienage it was very brutal (arl howe and his peoples) and not first genocide and there was only 1 demon crossed veil.

And well massacre in highever and caused by darkspawn pretty much we have a lot of them in dao and as well in other da products.

Yes, elves are known to reproduce quickly, which is necessary to sustain the alianage populations, what with the daily genocides. Oh, I mean riots, daily riots. Riot is synonymous with genocide. And war has never been known to sunder the veil, which is why Marnas Pell is such a great place to live. Since there are no mages among the dwarves, demons have never been known to appear in the Deep Roads.

See you got it isn't something alien in thedas so i don't see rason why killed mage will affect veil more than any other example? Qunari wars? Still don't see reason against killing mages...

[The Baconer]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
See you got it isn't something alien in thedas so i don't see rason why killed mage will affect veil more than any other example? Qunari wars? Still don't see reason against killing mages...

I know, you've made it clear that you don't see a lot of things.

[thetinyevil]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

The Baconer wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Lets see genocides alienages (and it is only in ferelden ) and reason before (it wasn't long before rather) was because one elf killed someone in docks and another was caused by arl howe , we have another if you asked for city elf boon.Crap in orlais that must be tradition.We have RoA and killing mages by templars is rather common when mage break law or is too weak.Warden can kill dales and mages.Riots in orlais are common as well... 
If you mean orphanage in alienage it was very brutal (arl howe and his peoples) and not first genocide and there was only 1 demon crossed veil.

And well massacre in highever and caused by darkspawn pretty much we have a lot of them in dao and as well in other da products.

Yes, elves are known to reproduce quickly, which is necessary to sustain the alianage populations, what with the daily genocides. Oh, I mean riots, daily riots. Riot is synonymous with genocide. And war has never been known to sunder the veil, which is why Marnas Pell is such a great place to live. Since there are no mages among the dwarves, demons have never been known to appear in the Deep Roads.

See you got it isn't something alien in thedas so i don't see rason why killed mage will affect veil more than any other example? Qunari wars? Still don't see reason against killing mages...

Please tell me you're joking.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The Baconer wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
See you got it isn't something alien in thedas so i don't see rason why killed mage will affect veil more than any other example? Qunari wars? Still don't see reason against killing mages...

I know, you've made it clear that you don't see a lot of things.

Yeah i don't see something that doesn't exist and im glad that i don't

I doubt that killing mages will spawn army of demons or will torn veil... thedas seen much worse genocides...

thetinyevil wrote...


Please tell me you're joking.

About?

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 31 janvier 2014 - 06:28 .

[thetinyevil]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

The Baconer wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
See you got it isn't something alien in thedas so i don't see rason why killed mage will affect veil more than any other example? Qunari wars? Still don't see reason against killing mages...

I know, you've made it clear that you don't see a lot of things.

Yeah i don't see something that doesn't exist and im glad that i don't

I doubt that killing mages will spawn army of demons or will torn veil... thedas seen much worse genocides...

thetinyevil wrote...


Please tell me you're joking.

About?

Seriously?? Do you know nothing of the game lore? Nothing? I will admit I don't know everything but I know enough and what I don't know I ask people who know more or look it up. I think you should do that. I am sure that the lore is tanslated into whatever your first langue is. I will stop there or else I am going to get really rude.

[TheKomandorShepard]

thetinyevil wrote...


Seriously?? Do you know nothing of the game lore? Nothing? I will admit I don't know everything but I know enough and what I don't know I ask people who know more or look it up. I think you should do that. I am sure that the lore is tanslated into whatever your first langue is. I will stop there or else I am going to get really rude.

What do you mean that massacres and wars weaken veil? I know that but thedas have them every day... it is obvious it take something very brutal and on big scale to weaken veil otherwise veil would be torned 1000 times before.Blights weren't  enough menage do it so i doubt that killing mages (how many we ven have them in thedas not counting teviner 1000? 2000? now compare to victioms of blights) will cause it thinking otherwise is rather silly. 

As far i know magic is much faster way to torn veil.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 31 janvier 2014 - 06:46 .

[dragonflight288]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

The Baconer wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Lets see genocides alienages (and it is only in ferelden ) and reason before (it wasn't long before rather) was because one elf killed someone in docks and another was caused by arl howe , we have another if you asked for city elf boon.Crap in orlais that must be tradition.We have RoA and killing mages by templars is rather common when mage break law or is too weak.Warden can kill dales and mages.Riots in orlais are common as well... 
If you mean orphanage in alienage it was very brutal (arl howe and his peoples) and not first genocide and there was only 1 demon crossed veil.

And well massacre in highever and caused by darkspawn pretty much we have a lot of them in dao and as well in other da products.

Yes, elves are known to reproduce quickly, which is necessary to sustain the alianage populations, what with the daily genocides. Oh, I mean riots, daily riots. Riot is synonymous with genocide. And war has never been known to sunder the veil, which is why Marnas Pell is such a great place to live. Since there are no mages among the dwarves, demons have never been known to appear in the Deep Roads.

See you got it isn't something alien in thedas so i don't see rason why killed mage will affect veil more than any other example? Qunari wars? Still don't see reason against killing mages...

You clearly have absolutely no understanding of the Fade, the lore or demons. Kill all the mages, and the demon problem won't go away. Period. And there are plenty of examples to prove it. The denerim alienage had rage demons, caused by the riots and the purge. No mages necessary. Northern Rivain, the veil was sundered in an Exalted March, slaughtering noncombatants so brutally that demons started entering the world. No mages. 

Nor do you need to be a mage to get possessed. Possessed templars are enemies in both annulments in both games. Sophia Dryden was possessed. The Herriman family is quite adamant that Lady Herriman was not a mage, and even Sebastain vouches for that, yet because of a Desire demon, she had borderline blood magic capabilities. 

This is all in the History of Thedas, in the codex entries, scattered throughout the dialogue. Killing the mages won't solve the problems you hope to solve. 

Period. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

dragonflight288 wrote...

You clearly have absolutely no understanding of the Fade, the lore or demons. Kill all the mages, and the demon problem won't go away. Period. And there are plenty of examples to prove it. The denerim alienage had rage demons, caused by the riots and the purge. No mages necessary. Northern Rivain, the veil was sundered in an Exalted March, slaughtering noncombatants so brutally that demons started entering the world. No mages. 

Nor do you need to be a mage to get possessed. Possessed templars are enemies in both annulments in both games. Sophia Dryden was possessed. The Herriman family is quite adamant that Lady Herriman was not a mage, and even Sebastain vouches for that, yet because of a Desire demon, she had borderline blood magic capabilities. 

This is all in the History of Thedas, in the codex entries, scattered throughout the dialogue. Killing the mages won't solve the problems you hope to solve. 

Period. 

What lol where i said that veil can't be weakened non-mages it requires massacre as i said ah screw it read my post above... 

First templars aren't possesed only controled by demon only cases possesed non-mages by demons were when demon was forced by mage or was when demon was already in thedas.Second you can find them in in the dungeons we know that kirkwall was used by tevinter before and can find many trapped demons in kirkwall she probably found that demon there considering how that dungeons looked it isn't suprising. 

And as i staded most hell almost all demons in thedas crossing veil was caused by mages by possesion or just summoned and thats why most demon that we can meet are in thedas.As far only example demon crossing veil because veil was weak (cause by non-mages) was in orphanage compare that to abomnations...


So yes killing mages solve this problem sure there will still be demons that manage to break trough veil but number demons in thedas will extremely decrease without mages weather you like it or not it is in case...

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 31 janvier 2014 - 07:08 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

We have seen Sophia Dryden possessed. We saw Lady Herriman make a deal with a Desire Demon and gained blood magic abilities as a result, we have seen possessed templars and so on. With all these demons wandering around, the mages are no longer the only ones in the most danger.

Lady Harriman could have been a undetected mage. A Sophia Dryden was a cropse in an area where mage sundered the veil.


I don't think there can be any discussion that without mages, demons would be an exceptionally rare event.